JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

[The Watcher]

roger jf-17 is schedualed to ENTER service by early/mid 2006 not 07. I am sure it will be flight tested BY PAF pilots before that since 9 prototypes are being made for Pakistan and will be delivered later this and early this year.

I don't know, if you deliberately try to pass wrong information or you're really that ignorant about defence matters. :roll

 

[umair]

The JF-17 are being flight tested by manufacturer's test pilot and not by PAF pilot, it is a long way to go prior PAF can lay their hands on JF-17...........at least not till 2007!

Uh!, Roger check some of my earliest posts in this thread.U'll find one in which I've mentioned that a friend's maternal uncle is leading Pakistan's test pilot team.U may believe it or not, I give a damn cause I've met the guy myself at my friend's house a number of times, and know that I'm telling the truth.The second flight(official 1st flight ie) was flown by him.He's a wng cmdr in the PAF.Kapeesh!

 

[darklegent]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Even then, JF-17 has been tested in flight and its manouverability tested! JF-17 is certainly better and more advanced than any F-16 A/B of Block 10 or 15 and so Pakistan wants it! It would be an entirely different matter if the US suddenly agreed to sell F-16s to Pakistan from, lets say, Block 50!

Besides, the JF-17 IS better than any F-16A/B. And that's why Pakistan is persueing the program

Hey no offence to any one but is it not true that the Americans now field the f-16 block 60 jets, the russians have upgraded the Mig-29 to the smt or the m versions, the Su-27 to the Su-30/32/33/34/35. Even the Indian Lca is termed to be if not better then atleast equal to the european jets, THEN WHY ON EARTH ARE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM CLAIMING THAT THE JF-17 IS BETTER THEN THE f-16 BLOCK 10/15. :mad get your yard stick for judgement right.......... we move AHEAD with technology not backwards to the eighties

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

True dark Man but ur forgetting that Pak/Indian Jets are new and these countries are not high tech its there first jet, so there engineering capabilities are limited so we shouldn't compare them with the big players in the world like F22 US and SU 3X Russian or EF UK/Cons

to some Optimistic people Please people don't tell me LCA is better than EF or any other new EU JET its is absurd and frankly an amusing optimism
:uk :bazooka :dbanana nfloorl: lol i love these lil expressions

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

i can't stop laughing at the banana lol its funny :dbanana

 

[Roger Smith]

roger jf-17 is schedualed to ENTER service by early/mid 2006 not 07. I am sure it will be flight tested BY PAF pilots before that since 9 prototypes are being made for Pakistan and will be delivered later this and early this year.

I don't know, if you deliberately try to pass wrong information or you're really that ignorant about defence matters. :roll

Watcher..............I hope you are not a gal , because you are too sensitive. I am sorry to say that.

It is a discussion forum and I am giving my views on articles I read. :roll

What is the difference if PAF inducts JF-17 in 2006 or 2007? :? Have I done a crime by saying PAF will have JF-17 in 2007? :help

Naturally, when PAF will induct JF-17 in its inventory, prior to inducting JF-17 PAF pilots will test fly JF-17, but so far it has not. that is what I am saying.

 

[mysterious]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Even then, JF-17 has been tested in flight and its manouverability tested! JF-17 is certainly better and more advanced than any F-16 A/B of Block 10 or 15 and so Pakistan wants it! It would be an entirely different matter if the US suddenly agreed to sell F-16s to Pakistan from, lets say, Block 50!

Besides, the JF-17 IS better than any F-16A/B. And that's why Pakistan is persueing the program

Hey no offence to any one but is it not true that the Americans now field the f-16 block 60 jets, the russians have upgraded the Mig-29 to the smt or the m versions, the Su-27 to the Su-30/32/33/34/35. Even the Indian Lca is termed to be if not better then atleast equal to the european jets, THEN WHY ON EARTH ARE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM CLAIMING THAT THE JF-17 IS BETTER THEN THE f-16 BLOCK 10/15. :mad get your yard stick for judgement right.......... we move AHEAD with technology not backwards to the eighties

WE claim that because that is the fact! And Indian LCA is almost no better than the JF-17!! It is not you that I blame but your lack of knowledge that made you post that msg of yours. :smokingc:

 

[mysterious]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

And as Umair has said, JF-17 has been flight-tested by a PAF pilot. No arguements!

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Guys i asked this on on another post what is that paint on the JF-17 the yellow stuff on the hull of the aircraft it does look horable but i guess all of the crafts look like that when they are produced rite? is that a plastic cover or is it hideing the actuall face of the craft so that people can't see its real armor's colour.

 

[umair]

Well another rumor fresh off the rumor mill!
Egypt is presumably looking at the possible purchase of the Pakistani standard Thunder from CAC.A guy on a Chinese forum(english) was saying this.Me have no clue bout the nature of his claim :roll
And some news from a relatively credible source(Flight International)
A recent article mentions that Bangladesh is revamping it's whole airforce and has invited bids from western,russian and chinese contractors.A contract is due before the end of the year, and due to local constraints, the front runners are the JF-17 and K-8 for the fighter and trainer roles respectively.Total requirement is for upto 150 aircraft.
Wunder, if the Thunder gets selected then, who's version will they go for, PAC or CAC? Any comments(mebbe someone could dig up a link and start a new thread!)

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

chinese would say that wouldn't they but i bet its not chinese thunder they are after but the PAF PAC Thunders why would Eygpt bypass PAC which it suposedly has good relation with. PAC thunders is export material with theyr realy decent italian avionics british ejection seats and i i can only hope when they make them in pakistan they make them with better quality materials lol they always do Paf always has a good quality obsesion whihc made CAC change its orignal design of the FC-1 and that led to the delay aswell. oh and that egypt and pakistan meating that were going on in the past month must of had something to do with that.

Saudis are interested too but they can't purchase the Al khalids Al talhas and the Alzarars and teh JF-17 and i think they wan't more mashaks, and K-8 but it would take them couple of years for the big purchase its because they have a spirling budget deficit its like 200 bill dollar

I am sure they will eventually make thunders in pakistan but the first 150 will come from cac as they promised cac they would buy those first 150. :eek

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

i think pac again chinese won't esport theres they don't give a toss about the thunder its one of there pet project the avionics i saw on the chinese thunders movie showed a completely analouge cockpit please! this won't do the chinese would wan't to sell the j-10 not thunders thunders to them jf is Pakistan bro pet project lol no offence

ADD IN : SORRY FOR NOT MAKING ANY SENSE HERE LOOKING BACK AT THIS MESSAGE I SEAM TO BE BABBLING ONN ABOUT SOMETHING BUT CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT!!


at the end i am sure we will see pakistan as the more dominant supplier of the JF as i am sure u guys know CAC would be busy with j-10 and j-11(correct me if i am wrong) now why would they spend time on J-9 JF when pakistan would be makeing those.

Mod Advice:Next time make sure that u put all u have to say in one post.If u want to add anything afterwards, use the edit function.Ok! Umair

 

[Wajahat]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Egypt is indeed intrested in Thunder as is Saudi Arabia. Morover China also plan to induct these planes in their airforce. Initial order is for about 200 planes but they are concdreing for an end number of about a 1000 planes

 

[adsH]

thats more like it 1000 units each to the best customers lol that would earn them alot of $$$

sorry about the multiple messages won't happen agian

 

[adil]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

ive got some kind of documentry on the jf-17. its 11minutes long but it is in chinese.any chinese speaking people want to translate for us, then give me your email add n i'll send it.

 

[SABRE]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

JF-17...DO U Know what it is? Its nothing but a cash cow for earning money for both Pakistan & China. The actual fighter China is interested in is J-10 & they r keeping Pakistan's interest in it as well.
JF-17 r for the selling purpose. All the developing countries which use MiG19 & 21 want to get rid of them as they are becoming kind of indangered species ( 400+ IAF MiG19 & 21 crashed in 3 yrs, Vietnam lost 250+ MiG19 & 31 MiG21 to USAF during their war, Syria has lost 143 MiG Jets including 71 lost in Arab-Israel war;92 Mig 21 & 87 MiG19 of China have Crashed 22 lost in some kinda mission- they number keeps increasing)
USA with China had decided to develope CF-1 in order to replace MiG19 & 21 from Developing countries & cut off Russia's last nerve in Militatry & Aviation market. USA for some reasons lost interest in the project & Pulled out in early 1990s. Later Chinese President visited Pakistan along with military & airforce deligations. The than PAF chief is sad to have inquired about USA's pull out from the project, but this he asked only for his own general knowledge, the intention of joing China to develope these jets did not cross his mind. During the visit a senior Chinese Airforce member told the PAF chief that project was not off but pending & out of no where he asked if Pakistan would be interested in joining hand. PAF chief & Chinese AF delegation met with PM Nawaz Sharif & Chinese President to discuss the Project. J-10 was also discussed. PAF decided to join in as they needed funds to buy better Jets & so did China.
After JF-17 r developed many of them would sold.

 

[adil]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

well Saber, the JF-17 will be much better than the jets pakistan has at the moment, so it is a good investment. it is also the first stepping stone for pakistan for making jets indegiousley, may not be much in your eyes, but it means a lot to Pakistan.

 

[umair]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

JF-17...DO U Know what it is? Its nothing but a cash cow for earning money for both Pakistan & China. The actual fighter China is interested in is J-10 & they r keeping Pakistan's interest in it as well.
JF-17 r for the selling purpose. All the developing countries which use MiG19 & 21 want to get rid of them as they are becoming kind of indangered species ( 400+ IAF MiG19 & 21 crashed in 3 yrs, Vietnam lost 250+ MiG19 & 31 MiG21 to USAF during their war, Syria has lost 143 MiG Jets including 71 lost in Arab-Israel war;92 Mig 21 & 87 MiG19 of China have Crashed 22 lost in some kinda mission- they number keeps increasing)
USA with China had decided to develope CF-1 in order to replace MiG19 & 21 from Developing countries & cut off Russia's last nerve in Militatry & Aviation market. USA for some reasons lost interest in the project & Pulled out in early 1990s. Later Chinese President visited Pakistan along with military & airforce deligations. The than PAF chief is sad to have inquired about USA's pull out from the project, but this he asked only for his own general knowledge, the intention of joing China to develope these jets did not cross his mind. During the visit a senior Chinese Airforce member told the PAF chief that project was not off but pending & out of no where he asked if Pakistan would be interested in joining hand. PAF chief & Chinese AF delegation met with PM Nawaz Sharif & Chinese President to discuss the Project. J-10 was also discussed. PAF decided to join in as they needed funds to buy better Jets & so did China.
After JF-17 r developed many of them would sold.

Sabre ever heard of the SabreII project?Well it was the predecessor of the Super7/FC-1/JF-17 project.The SabreII was a joint Sino-Pak-US project.
After the 1989 TS event, the US told Northrop Grumman to pull out of the SabreII, and the project was left in the lurch.It was revived in the 90s with a changed name and as a joint Sino-Pak project.
BTW, the first "officially acknowledged" test flights by PAF pilots took place today in Chengdu, each of 30 minute duration.But I know for a fact that PAF pilots have flown few more test sorties in the prototype/s before these 2 sorties.

 

[adsH]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

JF-17...DO U Know what it is? Its nothing but a cash cow for earning money for both Pakistan & China. The actual fighter China is interested in is J-10 & they r keeping Pakistan's interest in it as well.
JF-17 r for the selling purpose. All the developing countries which use MiG19 & 21 want to get rid of them as they are becoming kind of indangered species ( 400+ IAF MiG19 & 21 crashed in 3 yrs, Vietnam lost 250+ MiG19 & 31 MiG21 to USAF during their war, Syria has lost 143 MiG Jets including 71 lost in Arab-Israel war;92 Mig 21 & 87 MiG19 of China have Crashed 22 lost in some kinda mission- they number keeps increasing)
USA with China had decided to develope CF-1 in order to replace MiG19 & 21 from Developing countries & cut off Russia's last nerve in Militatry & Aviation market. USA for some reasons lost interest in the project & Pulled out in early 1990s. Later Chinese President visited Pakistan along with military & airforce deligations. The than PAF chief is sad to have inquired about USA's pull out from the project, but this he asked only for his own general knowledge, the intention of joing China to develope these jets did not cross his mind. During the visit a senior Chinese Airforce member told the PAF chief that project was not off but pending & out of no where he asked if Pakistan would be interested in joining hand. PAF chief & Chinese AF delegation met with PM Nawaz Sharif & Chinese President to discuss the Project. J-10 was also discussed. PAF decided to join in as they needed funds to buy better Jets & so did China.
After JF-17 r developed many of them would sold.

Sabre ever heard of the SabreII project?Well it was the predecessor of the Super7/FC-1/JF-17 project.The SabreII was a joint Sino-Pak-US project.
After the 1989 TS event, the US told Northrop Grumman to pull out of the SabreII, and the project was left in the lurch.It was revived in the 90s with a changed name and as a joint Sino-Pak project.
BTW, the first "officially acknowledged" test flights by PAF pilots took place today in Chengdu, each of 30 minute duration.But I know for a fact that PAF pilots have flown few more test sorties in the prototype/s before these 2 sorties.

Hey umair do you know if there is a video of the flight(the PAF flying the JF) and does the JF-17 contain Pakistani Enhanced avionics and other system.

 

[umair]

Brother! even my knowledge has it's limits!