JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

[SABRE]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Few days ago I read that Chinese are as much intersted in CF-1/JF-17/Super-7 as are the Pakistanis. These Jets are specialy made smaller in size becaus not only will they cost lesser but they would be a hard target for bigger jets specialy SU-34,35,37 as it would be easier for JF-17 to dodge these Jets but it would still require two of them to shoot down atleast one of the SU series fighter - one to keep the SU busy other one to shoot it down -
while these jets can shoot down MiGs & F-16 though it wont be easy. But the main purpose I read that both countries are intersted in these jets are that they can counter almost all (about 84%) of the Indian Jets. Thats why Pakistan needs them badly but China will only be keeping them on the Air Fields near India.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Few days ago I read that Chinese are as much intersted in CF-1/JF-17/Super-7 as are the Pakistanis. These Jets are specialy made smaller in size becaus not only will they cost lesser but they would be a hard target for bigger jets specialy SU-34,35,37 as it would be easier for JF-17 to dodge these Jets but it would still require two of them to shoot down atleast one of the SU series fighter - one to keep the SU busy other one to shoot it down -
while these jets can shoot down MiGs & F-16 though it wont be easy. But the main purpose I read that both countries are intersted in these jets are that they can counter almost all (about 84%) of the Indian Jets. Thats why Pakistan needs them badly but China will only be keeping them on the Air Fields near India.

I'm not sure where you got your info from, but the Su-2x and the Su-3x can engage and prioritise 6-8 targets at once. The FCS determines the threat response sequence.

Its not size that determines survivability - in the scenario you paint it's RCS.

 

[umair]

Get u'r info right my friend saber.For what gf is saying is the truth about aerial engagements these days.
P.S new info:
Sextant Avionique Glass Cockpit.
Four channel FBW
HMD&S system coupled with a wide angle smart hud,3 large MFD(one colored),2 smaller ones for fuel flow and RWR display.
Sagem navigation and EW suite including a multiple spectrum airborne active jammer
% of composites being increased in construction.
Nice additions I must add. :smokingc:

 

[Roger Smith]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Roger can you give me links to the technological inputs of the countries you mentioned in your post.

JF-17 is a good fighter aircraft and has Israeli, Russian, Chinese plus may be Pakistani technology

To best of my knowledge the technology input on JF-17 by the countries above stated are as follows;

Israel - None in JF-17 but J-10 copy of Levi.
Russia - Design based on MiG-31 and possibly engine.
Chinese - 80% indigenous.
Pakistan - JV cost sharing, no part in technology or R&D.

The aforementioned are my views.

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WebMaster

What you want me to change? :?

 

[webmaster]

Well, you had the BBcodes all messed up. Just emphasising their proper use. [ quote ] text [/ quote ] < quotes the text (without any spaces inside the brackets), etc.

 

[Roger Smith]

Well, you had the BBcodes all messed up. Just emphasising their proper use. [ quote ] text [/ quote ] < quotes the text (without any spaces inside the brackets), etc.

I am still not with you. :?

You can PM to elaborate. :smokingc:

Thanks.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

well at the end of the day (if true that the FC-1 has no pakistani tech in it) then who cares because we did fund half of the project u know. and also no matter what technology the fc-1 has in it, it is still going to be part of the pakistani airforce (NOTE: it will be assembled in pakistan).
FINAL POINT: FC-1 is far more better than most of those fighters out there.

 

[Roger Smith]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

well at the end of the day (if true that the FC-1 has no pakistani tech in it) then who cares because we did fund half of the project u know. and also no matter what technology the fc-1 has in it, it is still going to be part of the pakistani airforce (NOTE: it will be assembled in pakistan).
FINAL POINT: FC-1 is far more better than most of those fighters out there.

Well said, the end result is to obtain JF-17 for PAF. :smokingc:

On the assembling of JF-17 in Pakistan, it is very doubtful. The Chinese will keep a tight control on it like the K-8 jet trainer. :?

 

[mysterious]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

well at the end of the day (if true that the FC-1 has no pakistani tech in it) then who cares because we did fund half of the project u know. and also no matter what technology the fc-1 has in it, it is still going to be part of the pakistani airforce (NOTE: it will be assembled in pakistan).
FINAL POINT: FC-1 is far more better than most of those fighters out there.

Well said, the end result is to obtain JF-17 for PAF. :smokingc:

On the assembling of JF-17 in Pakistan, it is very doubtful. The Chinese will keep a tight control on it like the K-8 jet trainer. :?

Nah. I think you're mis-informed on this. After the first batch of JF-17s is delivered to PAF then all the rest would be made in Pakistan but some parts of it would still be obtained from China. But the airframe and major stuff is gona be made in Pak. Even the K-8, I've heard from a lot of people that its only a matter of time before Pakistan starts making them! :smokingc:

 

[Red aRRow]

The front fuselage section of the K-8 is manufactured in Pakistan.

 

[mysterious]

The front fuselage section of the K-8 is manufactured in Pakistan.

Thnx. I was talking about the whole of K-8 I must add.

 

[The Watcher]

The most important part of (pakistani) JF-17 is actually made in Pakistan. You fellas wana take a lucky guess? will provide the answer later.

 

[Winter]

The most important part of (pakistani) JF-17 is actually made in Pakistan. You fellas wana take a lucky guess? will provide the answer later.

The ejector seat.

 

[The Watcher]

:roll

No!

The pilot.

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[umair]

The front fuselage section of the K-8 is manufactured in Pakistan.

Add to that the vertical and horizontal tail sections.
P.S forgot to add in my last post, the version of the RC-400 selected for the Thunder is the RC-400-4, which is the most advanced variant of the RC-400 and is anologous to the RDY-2 as used in the 2k5,cept for the range of course.

 

[Roger Smith]

The front fuselage section of the K-8 is manufactured in Pakistan.

Yup. I read somewhere a month ago that the first fuselage section of K-8
was made in Pakistan and sent to China. :smokingc:

Just for mere discussion if the subject K-8 was a JV between Pakistan and China, don't you think it was 15 years late? :?

On the other hand better late then never! :smokingc:

 

[The Watcher]

roger, what do you know about K-8s history? please enlighten us

 

[darklegent]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

I was really wonerding since the present day scenario is BVR and not dogfight as earlier what are the chances of the JF17 surviving against the Indian AWACS with 400 to 500kms range or the nearly 200kms range of the Su-30 or for the matter of fact the Mig 21 bison with its 60 kms range?
I may also add the BVR missiles like the Matra Super 530D(Range about 40 kms), the AA-10 Alamo-C(depending on the version 70 to 130kms) and the AA-12Adder (90 to 130 kms) to this.
Do u think the Fc-17 has a chance?

 

[Majin-Vegeta]

FC-1 not going to happen? who said that?? no offense..but its too late to turn back now, Pakistan spent bout 50% of the cost..thats surely alot of money, no one, especially Pakistan would like to throw away millions and millions of dollars..neither would i or u.

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[general]

Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Pakistan will definitely acquire something to counter the AWACS india bought.The JF-17 will be a night mare for India as the InAF consists mainly of MiG-21's and are not going to replaced in the near future where as the JF-17 is planned to go into production by next year(correct me if I am wrong) Pakistan already has 16 for tests