JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

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P.A.F

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

The point GENERAL is making is that the JF-17 can take on any Indian fighter jet. o and by the way further varients of the JF-17 will carry SD-10 so it has got alot of chance to take down the indian AWAC. ;)
 
SABRE

SABRE

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hey guys heres the new from inside PAF but is still unconfirmed.
USA ad decided to sell F-16s to Pakistan trough UAE & Belgium. ese are the one Pakistan actually bought but USA as also decided to sell F16C. Pakistan has also offered a deal 2 buy USA's F-15 & F-14s along with one career for PN.
USA as decided to empty its inventory of old Jets before 2008 when F/A-22 will completely be available to USAF.
Also China has go ahead to Pakisan to buy SU series Jets not only from Ukrain but also from Russia if possible.
The lifting of USA's arms ban on Pakistan & Pakistan's inclusion in Non-Nato alliance is a part of this process or vice versa.

But do take in notice they are rumors.
 
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The Watcher

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

:lol

carrier for PN? F-14s and F15s? :lol

These are rumors for sure! Picked up from a kids list of dream paf inventory. :roll
 
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Roger Smith

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saber said:
hey guys heres the new from inside PAF but is still unconfirmed.
USA ad decided to sell F-16s to Pakistan trough UAE & Belgium. ese are the one Pakistan actually bought but USA as also decided to sell F16C. Pakistan has also offered a deal 2 buy USA's F-15 & F-14s along with one career for PN.
USA as decided to empty its inventory of old Jets before 2008 when F/A-22 will completely be available to USAF.
Also China has go ahead to Pakisan to buy SU series Jets not only from Ukrain but also from Russia if possible.
The lifting of USA's arms ban on Pakistan & Pakistan's inclusion in Non-Nato alliance is a part of this process or vice versa.

But do take in notice they are rumors.
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Great rumors! :D :nono :lolol
 
gf0012-aust

gf0012-aust

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saber said:
hey guys heres the new from inside PAF but is still unconfirmed.
USA ad decided to sell F-16s to Pakistan trough UAE & Belgium. ese are the one Pakistan actually bought but USA as also decided to sell F16C. Pakistan has also offered a deal 2 buy USA's F-15 & F-14s along with one career for PN.
USA as decided to empty its inventory of old Jets before 2008 when F/A-22 will completely be available to USAF.
Also China has go ahead to Pakisan to buy SU series Jets not only from Ukrain but also from Russia if possible.
The lifting of USA's arms ban on Pakistan & Pakistan's inclusion in Non-Nato alliance is a part of this process or vice versa.

But do take in notice they are rumors.
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These rumours are really a bit far fetched.
Foreign Military Sales is not contingent upon the US backdooring military hardware through friendlies. It wouldn't get past congress for the approval stage if it was seen as a "con"

The US won;t be selling F-15's as they are very much a critical asset in their mix until the F-22's come online. The F-14's would cost Pakistan a fortune to maintain - and would not be worth complicating your existing logistics mix. Besides, there are not enough to be scavenged to do rebuilds and the blanks were destroyed under orders of the Sec of State under Big Bush

There is no way that a 3 way sale would be orgnised between China Russia and the Ukraine, the Russians are desperate for money, but they aren't stupid.

Finally, entry into NATO as a non core member was not preconditioned, Pakistan was invited, and it was in Pakistans interest to accept it. non core membership is contingent of strategic issues, not on sales issues.
 
SABRE

SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Well i told u they are nothing but rumors. But the F16s are coming..I can feel them. I ve also herd USAF has some kind of StaticSteel Matalic F-16 colored blue which are way better than other F16s. There r only 4 of them. USAF is so optimistic about there F/A 22 that they are even willing 2 sell them 2 Britain & Japan. They were not 4 sell erlier.
Any ways here are some true things not rumors.
Being a Nato member Both Pakistan & Nato countries are allowed to cross into each others Terrotery. It would cost alot of money to Pakistan navy to cross into NATO regions which are in Europe & America but It wont cost much to European & USA's troops to cross into Pakistan. So dont be surprised if u see USAF Jets flying aboe your homes.

Here is another news. I study in Karachi in CBM. The institue is near PAF Base Hyderi. I made friends with some pilots. One of them is quite senior & flys mirage & has also flown the F16 or thats what he says. Anyways I asked him how good are the JF-17 thunder. HE said in year 2006 when v will ve our JF-17 we would still be flying F16 as our Sqdn. Leader with Mirage behind them & than JF-17s as wing men to Mirage. Now you can see where JF-17 flys & where it stands.

People if JF-17 was as good as F16. It wouldnt be flying at 3rd position but in the lead.
 
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mysterious

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Its not about what you 'feel' abt the F-16s coming or not; but I would rather say that US is hinting that it might just give Pakistan two squadrons as I read somewhere that Powell said it is being worked out and something needed signing which has been done! As for JF-17, I dont think they come up to an F-16 status but on second thought, they 'almost' do, specially to the F-16s of Block 15 that Pakistan has! They would be used as the main-stay of PAF replacing all of the F-7Ps/PGs and A-5s. Its now all down to what PAF is doing about its main front line fighter inventory! They badly need some modern aircraft! I'd tell 'em to go for the Gripen or Typhoon! (with at least 60 pieces needed badly!) :roll
 
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gf0012-aust

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

saber said:
Well i told u they are nothing but rumors. But the F16s are coming..I can feel them. I ve also herd USAF has some kind of StaticSteel Matalic F-16 colored blue which are way better than other F16s. There r only 4 of them. USAF is so optimistic about there F/A 22 that they are even willing 2 sell them 2 Britain & Japan. They were not 4 sell erlier.
Any ways here are some true things not rumors.
Being a Nato member Both Pakistan & Nato countries are allowed to cross into each others Terrotery. It would cost alot of money to Pakistan navy to cross into NATO regions which are in Europe & America but It wont cost much to European & USA's troops to cross into Pakistan. So dont be surprised if u see USAF Jets flying aboe your homes.

Here is another news. I study in Karachi in CBM. The institue is near PAF Base Hyderi. I made friends with some pilots. One of them is quite senior & flys mirage & has also flown the F16 or thats what he says. Anyways I asked him how good are the JF-17 thunder. HE said in year 2006 when v will ve our JF-17 we would still be flying F16 as our Sqdn. Leader with Mirage behind them & than JF-17s as wing men to Mirage. Now you can see where JF-17 flys & where it stands.

People if JF-17 was as good as F16. It wouldnt be flying at 3rd position but in the lead.
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NATO members still need permission from the host to enter their territorial waters or airspace.

I don't see US assets coming into Pakistani territory. The country would have to be at risk, and still would need the invitation of the existing head of state.

The JF-17 was never envisioned as a tier 1 fighter, so it's not that surprising if true.

THe F22 is an air supremacy fighter, I actually can't see how it is a decent fit into the Japanese Air Force ORBAT. Like Australia (and the UK) the focus is on ground attack and protection. So air supremacy can be achieved by their curent force mix.

I really can't see the F22 being made available to other nations for a while - maybe the UK, but no one else has a need or the finances for such a specialised platform
 
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SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

who said anyting about F/A-22 being on for sale. I dont even think they will be available to UK.

Anyways I just saw J-10 on CCTV. The plain is huge or u can say quite long. Is it realy a good Idea for China & lets say Pakistan aswell to be interested in such a long plan?

Dont ask from where I here these news from but in other news France has agreed to sell Pakistan Mirage2000-5 & also PAF has shown some interest in German EF-2000 but we can only get EF-2000 when we become Non-NATO member.

If Pakistan is to buy these jets than it has 2 be any one of them. its either Mirage 2000-5 or EF-2000. We cant offord 2 buy both at the same time.

In addition some European Nations have shown their interest in JF-17 hunder. The countries involve Turkey, Czec Republic, France & Romania. (lloks like China & Pakistan are exploring the market b4 the jet comes out.)

Any ways what do u think should Pakistan go 4 Mirage or EF?
 
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umair

Peace Enforcer
Sabre Thunder for France! Must be our lucky day :roll
BTW the Thunder is not as ancient as the public is led to believe.The formation u have mentioned is due to the roles that each fighter plays in the PAF, not cause it's technically advanced or not.Kapeesh!
Read any thread/article on The Thunder by people who know these issues/and their stuff and u'll come to see that the Thunder is more advanced than our present Falcons.
BTW latest news: Wing area increased by 30%, composites % in the fuselage increased, increase in weapon load of 1000kg, net reduction in max takeoff weight by 300kg.
 
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darklegent

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

I was just wondering as to the statement made by Collins Powel's as Pakistan being a non NATO allie of the U.S. ......... was it backed by the congress of was a Presidential decree passed by the Americans?
I may sound stupid but a single persons remarks may not be that assuring till the President endorses it....... right? :?
 
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joker

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Saber I suggest you put some thought into what you write. JF17 for France???? Why on earth would France, possessing one of the most advanced aviation industries in the world want the JF17??? Its stuff like this that makes all of the content of your posts quite questionable!!

As to the technical capability of the JF17 there is a lot of material that has been recently revealed to suggest that the JF17 probably will be the most advanced assest in comparison to what the PAF currently has in its inventory. It makes a lot of sense as well even with all the talk of possible F16 sales and sales of EF, Rafale etc. as of this moment in time it is just talk. So really in the foreseeable future the PAF can only bank on the JF 17.
 
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darklegent

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

I find it odd that the PAF or the Pakistani government still wants the F-16 when the JF-17 is considered to be better the the former (alot of people will endorse this stand and alot may not).
My main point is that the current generation of Eurpean jet now availible are definately supprior to the the F-16 Block50/60. Another reason to go in 4 the European jets is that there is alot more of techinical modernisation that will be possible on the European jets as they have only recently entered their respective airforces while the F-16 is breathing its last few years as the main frontline aircraft (to be replaced by 2008-2010 by the F-35).
As with respect to the Jf-17 or even the LCA......... come on give it time both these jets will be upgraded with passage of time. What aircraft enters the airfoce today may be totaly technologically different say 10-15 years from 2day.(look at the bloody F-16).
 
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Roger Smith

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

darklegent said:
I find it odd that the PAF or the Pakistani government still wants the F-16 when the JF-17 is considered to be better the the former (alot of people will endorse this stand and alot may not).
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Pakistanis are aware that American technology is original and better than Chinese technology, which is duplicated/copied and not original. :smokingc:
 
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Londo Molari

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Who cares if its original? What good is it, if America isn't selling?

Besides, the JF-17 IS better than any F-16A/B. And that's why Pakistan is persueing the program.

Gooo China!
 
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Roger Smith

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Londo Molari said:
Besides, the JF-17 IS better than any F-16A/B. And that's why Pakistan is persueing the program.

Gooo China!
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The JF-17 / FC-1 / Super 7 fighter plane is untested in combat and for that matter is unoperational. Pakistan has to await at least a couple of years, prior it can even test fly a JF-17. ;)
 
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mysterious

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Roger, you just posted some "obvious" things about a new plane! Even then, JF-17 has been tested in flight and its manouverability tested! JF-17 is certainly better and more advanced than any F-16 A/B of Block 10 or 15 and so Pakistan wants it! It would be an entirely different matter if the US suddenly agreed to sell F-16s to Pakistan from, lets say, Block 50! But that is like being highly optimistic which we should not be in the case of US. :smokingc:
 
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Roger Smith

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

mysterious said:
Roger, you just posted some "obvious" things about a new plane! Even then, JF-17 has been tested in flight
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JF-17 tested by whom?

The JF-17 are being flight tested by manufacturer's test pilot and not by PAF pilot, it is a long way to go prior PAF can lay their hands on JF-17...........at least not till 2007! :smokingc:
 
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