Indonesian Aero News

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Tweeter Guy, as chief rumours on Indonesian Defense within Indonesian Defense enthusiasts forums and on-line communities, seems now going to deflate some of his followers high hope on F-15EX.

So either F-15 and F-16 or Rafale and F-16. Rafale and F-15 is just stretch the budget too far and can costs development on other branches, or even TNI-AU own other projects.
Like I said many times, follow money trails. Many Indonesian defense enthusiasts have forgot this simple reality checks, which then many even some local defense journalist give in to high hope. No matter how far MinDef can plan, in the end Finance Guys that have to give green lights on any procurement projects base on fiscal room availability.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
La Tribune quote source from Dasault saying that Indonesia already put effective 2nd tranche of Rafale order. This second tranche of 18, while first tranche is for 6. This make the 42 option will be divided on 6+18+18 of overall 3 trenches.

This is just confirmation from French sources that the second tranche of 18 that before Indonesian agree to put in order, will soon being put in Dasault order book. Thus officially enter production line schedule work.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group


Matra Udara : Pesawat Rafale dan dukungannya, Pesawat A-400M dan dukungannya, Pesawat Angkut Berat (pesawat C-130J-30 Super Hercules), Modernisasi pesawat C-130H/HS, (A) MRCA / Mirage 2000 (beserta dukungannya) serta Pesawat lift dan dukungannya.
Put post fron Indonesian MinDef FB of what they are focusing on this term. Quote on the Air Force program, and despite talk on US fighters procurement either F-15ID or/and F-16V, seems officially it is not yet put as what they're aim in this term yet.

It doesn't means it will not going to happen, but more the items that already in process, procured or already have budget allocated for AF, not included US build fighters. Franchie seems so far got confirmed or allocated budget for Fighters on Rafale and this MRCA (which seems related to interim second hand fighters) in the type of Mirage 2000.


Twitter guy as Euro/Frenchie defense salesman quite glee in his tweet. LM so far got potential indication in contract for further upgrade kits on current F-16 C/D fleet. Seems the budget for interim fighters have indicated so far even by MinDef source going to be for Mirage 2000 and not for more refurbished F-16 (as previous rumours).

Will see if LM can regain more on this, they're known to have long teeth lobbyists within Indonesian MinDef just as Airbus do.
 
Last edited:

Ananda

The Bunker Group

This rotary UAV already being operational by Indonesian Coast Guard (Bakamla). Hopefully more investment being given to Coast Guard. Too much investment still being directed to TNI-AL on smaller patrol boats. Should be those coastal patrol boats and OPV goes to Bakamla, and let the Navy handle more Green Water duties with Corvettes, Frigates and Submarines.

Again problem is there are those who does not want Coastal patrol duties being handle solely by Bakamla. Mentality of 'slice of pies' still strong on competing maritime agency. Bakamla shouls the ones that only handle maritime constabulary duties. This being iterated by Presidential decree, and yet not much investment being done to that area yet.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member

This is just confirmation from French sources that the second tranche of 18 that before Indonesian agree to put in order, will soon being put in Dasault order book. Thus officially enter production line schedule work.
So from what i understand, from the $8,1 milyar package for 42 Rafales, $1,1 are already paid for the first batch of 6 aircrafts and $2,3 for the second batch of 18 pcs? Am i right?


This rotary UAV already being operational by Indonesian Coast Guard (Bakamla). Hopefully more investment being given to Coast Guard. Too much investment still being directed to TNI-AL on smaller patrol boats. Should be those coastal patrol boats and OPV goes to Bakamla, and let the Navy handle more Green Water duties with Corvettes, Frigates and Submarines.

Again problem is there are those who does not want Coastal patrol duties being handle solely by Bakamla. Mentality of 'slice of pies' still strong on competing maritime agency. Bakamla shouls the ones that only handle maritime constabulary duties. This being iterated by Presidential decree, and yet not much investment being done to that area yet.
|"These UAVs are in operation on the service's largest vessels – the 110 m patrol vessel KN Tanjung Datu (1101), and the 80 m Pulau Nipah-class patrol boat KN Pulau Marore (322)."|


Does this mean that only 2 Alpha 900 UAVs are delivered to BAKAMLA?


And here we have a better look on the new 737NG from POLRI.
 
Last edited:

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member
KiboCUBE is the collaboration programme between the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) that provides educational and research institutions from developing countries with the opportunity to develop a cube satellite (CubeSat) and have it deployed from the Japanese module “Kibo” of the International Space Station.

In September 2018 Indonesia and Mauritius were selected as the winner in the third round of KiboCUBE Programme. In July 2022 Surya Satellite 1 (SS-1) was handed over to JAXA at JAXA Tsukuba Space Center. In November 2022 SS-1 was launched to the ISS from NASA Kennedy Space Center and on 6 January 2023 the SS-1 was deployed from Kibo module of the ISS with JEM robotic arm.

So this is actually old news, but still nice to know.
JAXA | Successful Deployment of Surya Satellite-1 of Indonesia, Selected in the Third Round of KiboCUBE Programme

Indonesia Deploys First Student Satellite Through KiboCUBE Program - SpaceRef
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member
"Informasi beredar..."
A little bit weird to start a news article like this, but here they still telling us that TNI-AU will get the 12 Mirage 2000s. I still prefer that our limited defence budget will be used for more Rafales or F-16 instead using on an interim solution of an aircraft type which is never used before by TNI-AU.


|"Apakah kedatangan Mirage 2000 ini adalah untuk segera mengisi Skadron Udara 1 di Pontianak yang mengoperasikan Hawk 100/200?"|
They expect the Mirage 2000s will be used to replace the Hawks of SkU 1, and not to fill the empty hole of SkU 14.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

This is hilarious but also ridiculous. What she has accomplish in term of TNI procurement under her term? Basically four basic Flankers that need to be refurbished by her successor (which is her political rival).

This is pure political BS, that she like to remind everyone. According to her Jokowi is her subordinates as she keep call him 'party official'. So she wants more Sukhoi? Or because she wants to attack Prabowo as potential rival to her party?

Is she willing to come clean also how Soeharto has to pay up all her father loan to USSR for all military procurement that she brag about, even decades after all those military assets cease to be operational?

Pure political BS just because it is close to entering election time. Still entertainment to show how low her quality really is. Remember her choices for this administration first term defense minister. The choices that so disastrous on TNI development cycles, that need years to remedy in catching up.

I don't want to go to politics, but this is really ridiculous.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member

This is hilarious but also ridiculous. What she has accomplish in term of TNI procurement under her term? Basically four basic Flankers that need to be refurbished by her successor (which is her political rival).

This is pure political BS, that she like to remind everyone. According to her Jokowi is her subordinates as she keep call him 'party official'. So she wants more Sukhoi? Or because she wants to attack Prabowo as potential rival to her party?

Is she willing to come clean also how Soeharto has to pay up all her father loan to USSR for all military procurement that she brag about, even decades after all those military assets cease to be operational?

Pure political BS just because it is close to entering election time. Still entertainment to show how low her quality really is. Remember her choices for this administration first term defense minister. The choices that so disastrous on TNI development cycles, that need years to remedy in catching up.

I don't want to go to politics, but this is really ridiculous.
We are just not able to understand this incredible smart and wise woman, im sure every TNI official who witnessed her speech was so impressed and in shock and awe because of all her knowledge of defence.

But seriously, she was always full of empty nonsense. She doesn't even deserve all that media exposure on Kompas TV. But hey, mass media channels like Kompas TV and Metro TV are all PDI-P followers. They still worship her.
 
Last edited:

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Lockheed Martin Indonesia put FB video on LM FB page. Not anything particular as put the various LM products. However the subtlety of media massage I believe is there, as they put subliminal focus on F-16V, at the beginning, bit at middle and at end of video.

LM knows to lobby in Indonesia, subtle and shadow campaign is better then direct media campaign.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

From DI FB on the agreement between DI with Airod Malaysia on N219 distribution and MRO. Also with another Malaysian Company SME Aerospace for Aero structure co-op. SME has business with several other aerospace company on composite structure.


FB_IMG_1684897724548.jpg

This is happening during Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace exhibition (LIMA). However some enthusiasts in Indonesia pay more attention to this picture below that come from Indonesian MinDef site.

FB_IMG_1684897098404.jpg

Especially the below ones.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member

Lockheed Martin Indonesia put FB video on LM FB page. Not anything particular as put the various LM products. However the subtlety of media massage I believe is there, as they put subliminal focus on F-16V, at the beginning, bit at middle and at end of video.

LM knows to lobby in Indonesia, subtle and shadow campaign is better then direct media campaign.
Well, the remarkable thing is that we don't see a single second of the C-130J. Maybe they know it will be not necessary to promote that product to Indonesia.
But yes, the F-16 get more screentime, together with the HIMARS! It looks like they also want to promote that product to Indonesia.

TNI-AD already has the ASTROS II, TNI-AL the RM-70, Indonesia can spend the limited budget better on other defence systems.




From DI FB on the agreement between DI with Airod Malaysia on N219 distribution and MRO. Also with another Malaysian Company SME Aerospace for Aero structure co-op. SME has business with several other aerospace company on composite structure.


View attachment 50525

This is happening during Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace exhibition (LIMA). However some enthusiasts in Indonesia pay more attention to this picture below that come from Indonesian MinDef site.

View attachment 50526

Especially the below ones.
Wait.... do i see " CSSC" (China State Shipbuilding Corporation) on that model?

Hopefully it will stay with only this model.
 
Last edited:

swerve

Super Moderator
Well, the remarkable thing is that we don't see a single second of the C-130J. Maybe they know it will be not necessary to promote that product to Indonesia.
But yes, the F-16 get more screentime, together with the HIMARS! It looks like they also want to promote that product to Indonesia.

TNI-AD already has the ASTROS II, TNI-AL the RM-70, Indonesia can spend the limited budget better on other defence systems.
I thought RM-70 was an old-style artillery rocket launcher, firing relatively small & short-ranged unguided rockets.

What model of ASTROS II does Indonesia have in service & what rockets?
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Indonesian Astros II rocket that mostly being shown to public is 300mm SS-60 and SS-80. Astros II can carry four 300mm. Indonesian media already shown communique from Indonesian Embassy in Brazil on Pindad working together with Avibras to help Pindad on 122mm rocket based on their 122mm SS-30. This is part of tech transfer deal

So with Pindad also involved on Indonesian R-HAN 122mm rocket, it is going to be base indigenous rocket for both MLRS Astross II in Army and R-70 in Marines.

Indonesia can spend the limited budget better on other defence systems.
The only MLRS other then Astros II and R-70 is that Roketsan-Excalibur team up that's being signed in last Indo Defense. LM being rumours going to offer Himars, but chances now LM more likely focus on getting F-16 upgrade package deals for existing F-16 C/D and around 12 newly build F-16V.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member
Yes from which i understand TNI-AD has the ASTROS II Mk.6.
But i thought SS-30 were 127 mm rockets and the SS-09TS 70 mm (2,75") rockets.



|" The SS-30 rocket, calibre 127mm, can be loaded with 32 rounds a launcher and has a range between 9km and 30km.
The SS-40 rocket, calibre 180mm, can be loaded with 16 rounds a launcher and has a range between 15km and 35km.
The SS-60 / SS-80 rocket, calibre 300mm, can be loaded with four rounds a launcher and has a range between 20km and 80km. "|


Oh yes, almost forgotten, but the Korps Marinir also has a small amount (at least two launch vehicles) of the Norinco 90B.

And here we can see an article about Lockheed-Martin giving a presentation about the HIMARS.
 
Last edited:

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Yeah, but if they still goes with F-15EX again something must give. Either the number of F-15EX being drop from 36 to who knows only 12, or (which I'm bit worried) since they took budget from Naval procurement, then number of large Frigate/Destroyers going to be slash.Thus potentially also bye bye 6 FREMM.

Anyway let's see how political compromise going to give in this also. Some factions accept buying French at the cost of Russian or Chinese deals, as Frenchie being considered as more Neutral Western choices. However buying US for the cost of Chinese and Russian deals (thus relationships) can be different matter by that factions.
 
Last edited:
Top