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According to this article the first of ordered 5 C-130J-30 will leave the factory on 28 Feb and arrives on 6 Mrt in Indonesia.
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Unit pertama pesawat C-130J Super Hercules TNI AU tiba awal Maret
Kepala Dinas Penerangan TNI Angkatan Udara Marsekal Pertama TNI Indan Gilang Buldansyah menyatakan unit pertama pesawat C-130J Super Hercules untuk ...
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Rumour for 2nd batch of Five been circulate for some time. However perhaps just like the 1st batch it will be talk under media radar.
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Lockheed Martin Delivers First C-130J-30 Super Hercules to the Indonesian Air Force
The IDAF will receive a total of five Super Hercules tactical airlifters MARIETTA, Ga., Feb. 21, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) delivered the first of five C-130J-30 Super...
Rumour for 2nd batch of Five been circulate for some time. However perhaps just like the 1st batch it will be talk under media radar.
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photo from LM FB.
Previously AF talk in media those C-130J will be put in 31st sq in Halim/Jakarta AB, and put all remaining C-130H in 32sd and 33rd sq in Malang and Makassar AB. However the link that Sandhi put the AF spokesman seems indicate on disbursing those C-130J on all 3 sq.
Logically they should put all new C-130J in one sq, as previous indication talk. Let's wait on what will happen as Indonesian Journalists Known to often make wrong quotations. Especially those relates on technical matters.
If previous practices can be use as bentchmark, TNI-AU ussualy put all new assets on one sq firsts. When C-130H come in the 80's, they put in 31st sq and C-130B put in 32nd sq. The talk before is to put all C-130H from 31st sq in 32nd, and all ex RAAF C-130H in 33rd sq.
By distributing it amongst the three squadron, maybe the intent is to let all these squadrons gain some experience with the J version, in anticipation for further purchase in the future.
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There's logic on distribution of new J to all 3 sq, if they're really have intentions for new batches soon. However if not, then it is not efficient in fleet maintenance. TNI-AU previously centralized types maintenance on sq level, to shorten maintenance foot print.
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Its still remarkable for me that they want to keep the C-130J-30 acquisition program under the media radar. Very not typical Indonesian, and there is also no reason to do that. Even the Defense Security Cooperation Agency of the US Department of Defense cooperates with keeping it silent.Add that C-130J from website
Lockheed Martin Delivers First C-130J-30 Super Hercules to the Indonesian Air Force
The IDAF will receive a total of five Super Hercules tactical airlifters MARIETTA, Ga., Feb. 21, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) delivered the first of five C-130J-30 Super...
Rumour for 2nd batch of Five been circulate for some time. However perhaps just like the 1st batch it will be talk under media radar.
But now at last, more images are released to the public.
This is probably the first transport aircraft of TNI-AU standard equipped with HUDs. Or maybe the Falcon Jets and A-001 already got it.
IINM, the requirement has been there since 2009-ish (with MEF planned projection & direct LM proposal for the 'J' version at the time), with the usual caveat of budget problem which resulted in Australian 'H' version buy & grant scheme.
The plan resurface again around 2016 for 6 planes (likely in preparation of eastern region planned expansion), still with budget problem until they find a foreign lender and sign the contract on 2019 (3 years after announcement of the program) now for 5 planes instead of the original plan for 6 aircraft.
Referencing on past publication, the program is not really a secret, only the signing & details of the contract that has been kept silent, most likely the result of protracted funding problem on our side. I don't know why no DSCA notification announcement were made though, all big ticket items we bought (or planned to bought) from US does shows up on DSCA, except for this.
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I believe this is more likely related how the deal construct. If the deal using US financing (US Exim for example) or deal G to G to US, then it will be considered as US Defense surplus items. It will be on DSCA.
However if using non US financing or construct as direct commercial transaction, from my understanding it will not be classified as US Defense surplus items. Thus will not be calculated on DSCA.
Method of payment, whose financing and how the deal construct matter, is matter to be calculate under DSCA terms.
Looks like DCS scheme does not need to go through DSCA first, they go straight to state dept & dept of commerce, hence no DSCA notification, though FMS & DCS scheme both still need US Arms Export License which in turn also need Congressional notification, the same procedure for DSCA notification.I believe this is more likely related how the deal construct. If the deal using US financing (US Exim for example) or deal G to G to US, then it will be considered as US Defense surplus items. It will be on DSCA.
However if using non US financing or construct as direct commercial transaction, from my understanding it will not be classified as US Defense surplus items. Thus will not be calculated on DSCA.
Method of payment, whose financing and how the deal construct matter, is matter to be calculate under DSCA terms.
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TNI AU Resmi Terima Pesawat Super Hercules C-130J Tahap Pertama
Tampak pukul 13.23 WIB, 8 awak pesawat turun dan dikalungi. Pada badan pesawat terdapat tulisan 'TNI ANGKATAN UDARA'.
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1st C-130J for TNI-AU (of present batch of 5), landed in Halim AB Jakarta. This is first brand new C-130 for close to 40 years. Last time in the 80's of Brand New C-130H (of batch of 10). After that TNI-AU got second hand L-100-30 ex State Owned Airline (Merpati and Pelita) and C-130H ex RAAF.
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Well in 30 years or so LM will be launching the 100th anniversary edition of the Hercules…the likely timeframe a future Canadian government would consider replacing our RCAF C-130Js. Whether our countries still exist then is debatable.TNI AU Resmi Terima Pesawat Super Hercules C-130J Tahap Pertama
Tampak pukul 13.23 WIB, 8 awak pesawat turun dan dikalungi. Pada badan pesawat terdapat tulisan 'TNI ANGKATAN UDARA'.
1st C-130J for TNI-AU (of present batch of 5), landed in Halim AB Jakarta. This is first brand new C-130 for close to 40 years. Last time in the 80's of Brand New C-130H (of batch of 10). After that TNI-AU got second hand L-100-30 ex State Owned Airline (Merpati and Pelita) and C-130H ex RAAF.
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more close to 40 years on 100th anniversary of C-130. Whether there will be another C-130 derivatives after J, by previous track record on H operation, there will be some J still operating 40 years from now. By that, it is already achieved unparalleled threshold on any military transport (even by now).
C-130 already reach more operational time frame longer then DC-3 derivatives. More important C-130 still develop by its maker, not just being maintained by operators. AN-12 supposed be the rival of C-130, and as product C-130 already surpass it (in term of models continues development), and effort to replace it like by Embrear C-390 (which actually can be proper replacement) so far not gaining enough traction.
C-130 already reach more operational time frame longer then DC-3 derivatives. More important C-130 still develop by its maker, not just being maintained by operators. AN-12 supposed be the rival of C-130, and as product C-130 already surpass it (in term of models continues development), and effort to replace it like by Embrear C-390 (which actually can be proper replacement) so far not gaining enough traction.
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Yes, the C-390 would be a decent alternative and could have established by now if Boeing not broken their agreement with Embrear….then again perhaps Boeing did them a favour considering their recent performance.
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Super Hercules Datang, Pesawat Lama Diboyong ke Skadron 32 Malang
Wakil Kepala Staf Angkatan Udara Marsekal Madya TNI A Gustaf Brugman memastikan ada pelatihan kru Skadron 32 untuk Hercules H model. Skadron 31 Lanud Halim Perdanakusuma...
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So seems TNI-AU going to keep their practices on concentrating new assets on one squadron level at a time. The Deputy TNI-AU Chief told the media that the H from 31st sq will be move to 32nd sq and replacing remaining B there. This also means 33rd sq will be equip mostly by ex RAAF H.
The C-130 is much like the B-52. They'll still be in service when Capt James Tiberius Kirk is sailing the NCC1701 USS Enterprise through space going where no homosapien has gone before.
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In 2245 the B-52, C-130 and Tu-95 are probably powered by impulse and warp drives.
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Menhan Prabowo Berencana Tambah Pesawat Tempur untuk Indonesia
Prabowo Subianto berencana menambah pesawat tempur ke Indonesia. Pihaknya masih bernegosiasi untuk menambah pesawat-pesawat itu.
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Prabowo told that his MinDef will continue effort to add new fighters outside Rafale. However he claim it will be 'slightly ' second hand ones.
This actually in line with the claim on 'interim fighters' program that being talk by on line media have budgets of USD 700-800mio. Something that before being touted for procuring 12 ex Qatar Mirage 2K.
Prabowo talk in the occasion of accepting ceremony on C-130J. Before that he got joy ride on recently refurbished on Blk 52 F-16B. I do hope Indonesian MinDef negotiate now with LM for another sq of F-16, rather then keep talking on Mirage 2K. LM already give license for Indonesian MRO to conduct MLU job on Blk 52 upgrades. Something which shown more maintenance and support capabilities for F-16 then other types.
It will be still good enough until KF-21 (which Indonesian administration finally begin some payments on the dues again) come to operational state. This on conditions no more back fliping with KF-21 projects. Combination of Rafale and KF-21 can be quite potent force, if Indonesia invest right on the numbers and support infrastructure. I do keep hoping they drop F-15EX.
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Press Release from GMF Aero which is Garuda Indonesia subsidiary on MRO business. This talk on C-130H #A-1315 that already done conducting refurbishment. The refurbishment job mostly related to structural especially replacing Center Wing Box (CWB) and avionics. Previous info in media talk avionics upgrade mostly related on Glass Cockpit replacing Analog Cockpit (and subsequent sub system).
Collins Aerospace and PT Dirgantara Indonesia sign agreement to modernize Indonesian Air Force C-130H aircraft with Flight2™ digital cockpit.
Collins Aerospace and PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) today announced an agreement to modernize the Indonesian Air Force C-130 military transport aircraft as part of its Phase 2 rollout plan, and eleven C-130 aircraft will be upgraded.
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Collins Aerospace and GMF to transform Indonesian Air Force C-130H
The Indonesian Air Force joins a growing list of customers that have selected Collins Aerospace, a Raytheon Technologies (NYSE: RTX) business, for its C-130H Hercules military transport aircraft moder...
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It is talk before that the MRO going to be done by DI, but turn out GMF mostly done the MRO for that A-1315 C-130H. In such case the MRO done could still be done by both DI and GMF, or they are sharing job hours.
In anyway Glass Cockpit from Collins Aerospace is being used already by several AF for C-130H MLU upgrade. On yesterday press release GMF. Talk about 7 C-130H being upgrade by them, and they currently working on 2 C-130H aside the one they already deliver back to TNI-AU.
While DI and Collins talk about 11 C-130H job to be upgrade on their contract. Thus I suspect DI and GMF in the end share some work on the overall C-130H MRO.
GMF aim for another two decade life extension after this MRO. This make potential those H will be target time line use by TNI-AU for 60 years. Same with the B's that currently being withdrawn after already in service for 6 decades with TNI-AU since the 60's.
This is why TNI-AU adamant on getting new C-130J despite some pressure on getting A-400M (which in turn MinDef doing compromise on having both). They know they can get at least 6 decades service with C-130. Something that neither AN-12 and C-160 Transal can give during their service in Indonesia.