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if a country like pakistan possesses aircraft carriers then it can be considered as a waste of infrastructure because pakistan does not have any far flung island terrioteries which india and china have.
aircraft carriers are very usefull for defending /attacking islands as has been proven by the usa during the world war2,britain during the falklands war etc.
besides as long india does not approach other countries with a begging bowl like some of our neighbours do (srilanka,bangladesh) i would not be bothered of india's financial health.
usa already recognises india as a rising superpower,india is sufficiently rich and has a fully developed doctrine for the building,maintainence and operation of aircraft carriers,aircraft carriers can also be used as hospital ships in the event of natural disasters and for the troop transport role,india has used the aircraft carrier with definite success during the 1972 war,india has no intention of attacking pakistan ,bangladesh or china.india no longer bothers about pakistan they are now strengthening their navy to match china in the event of possible confrontation just like china is interested in aircraft carriers to counter usa.kashifshahzad said:
if a country like pakistan possesses aircraft carriers then it can be considered as a waste of infrastructure because pakistan does not have any far flung island terrioteries which india and china have.
aircraft carriers are very usefull for defending /attacking islands as has been proven by the usa during the world war2,britain during the falklands war etc.
besides as long india does not approach other countries with a begging bowl like some of our neighbours do (srilanka,bangladesh) i would not be bothered of india's financial health.
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as long as india doesnot spend more than 3 % of its GDP in defence we shouldnt be worried about its effects on the economy as its gonna be helpful to a large extent.
Lets start with the most controvesial project LCA.
it has given india a complete setup of aeronautical industry. And the effects can be seen today. in the form of russia cooperating in development of military cargo aircraft with india. this plane can save millions that go out from our forex to pay airbus/boeing. And thats just a small example of it.
Even the aircraft carrier project will give us a lot of experience in making ships and that too good ships. who knows after this india might jump on a large scale ship contruction program . like cargo ships oil tankers etc. Adding the the fact that stronger navy protects the interests of india in the indian ocean from where 70% of world trade pass through. ( am i right with the 70% figure ?). check on terrorist activities. help in the time of need like a tsunami. Role of india in the tsunami relief is well known all over the world. in spite of being hit hard by it .. india even helped sri lanka , maldives to a large extent and also to some extent indonesia. all this was done by our navy .. the role of army/AF in relief is also commendable during various earthquakes and other natural disasters. military is not just an investment in saving the country from external threats or power project its our investment to make a strong big force that can act faster than any other organisation( private/public) to help the needy in disasters.
as long as india doesnot spend more than 3 % of its GDP in defence we shouldnt be worried about its effects on the economy as its gonna be helpful to a large extent.
Lets start with the most controvesial project LCA.
it has given india a complete setup of aeronautical industry. And the effects can be seen today. in the form of russia cooperating in development of military cargo aircraft with india. this plane can save millions that go out from our forex to pay airbus/boeing. And thats just a small example of it.
Even the aircraft carrier project will give us a lot of experience in making ships and that too good ships. who knows after this india might jump on a large scale ship contruction program . like cargo ships oil tankers etc. Adding the the fact that stronger navy protects the interests of india in the indian ocean from where 70% of world trade pass through. ( am i right with the 70% figure ?). check on terrorist activities. help in the time of need like a tsunami. Role of india in the tsunami relief is well known all over the world. in spite of being hit hard by it .. india even helped sri lanka , maldives to a large extent and also to some extent indonesia. all this was done by our navy .. the role of army/AF in relief is also commendable during various earthquakes and other natural disasters. military is not just an investment in saving the country from external threats or power project its our investment to make a strong big force that can act faster than any other organisation( private/public) to help the needy in disasters.
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i guess india will acquire berthing facilities in china's neighbourhood,the south china sea:
Japan seeks military cooperation with India
12 December 2005: Japan has proposed a military exchange programme to India in which it can use Japanese naval and coastguard bases for joint exercises in the Asia-Pacific region and later upgrade it to trilateral exercise with the US.
In return, Japan wants similar facilitation for the Japanese navy and coastguard in Indian bases, where they can conduct rescue operations, joint exercises against terrorism, and provide security to transport ships.
The proposal has come after the Japanese government decided to increase its military cooperation with India in view of the massive Chinese military build up in the region.
During the East Asia Summit in Kuala Lumpur, Japanese premier Junichiro Koizumi is likely to speak to prime minister Manmohan Singh about political, military and strategic cooperation with India, apart from strengthening economic ties.
Diplomatic sources said that Japan is keen to forge cooperation in “new areasâ€, very likely in the realm of military technology.
Officials said that cooperation with Australia and Japan and other countries in the region is important for India’s strategic penetration there.
well guys here is the link:
http://www.newsinsight.net/nati2.asp?recno=3577
i guess india will acquire berthing facilities in china's neighbourhood,the south china sea:
Japan seeks military cooperation with India
12 December 2005: Japan has proposed a military exchange programme to India in which it can use Japanese naval and coastguard bases for joint exercises in the Asia-Pacific region and later upgrade it to trilateral exercise with the US.
In return, Japan wants similar facilitation for the Japanese navy and coastguard in Indian bases, where they can conduct rescue operations, joint exercises against terrorism, and provide security to transport ships.
The proposal has come after the Japanese government decided to increase its military cooperation with India in view of the massive Chinese military build up in the region.
During the East Asia Summit in Kuala Lumpur, Japanese premier Junichiro Koizumi is likely to speak to prime minister Manmohan Singh about political, military and strategic cooperation with India, apart from strengthening economic ties.
Diplomatic sources said that Japan is keen to forge cooperation in “new areasâ€, very likely in the realm of military technology.
Officials said that cooperation with Australia and Japan and other countries in the region is important for India’s strategic penetration there.
well guys here is the link:
http://www.newsinsight.net/nati2.asp?recno=3577
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seems now indian navy is now looking to improve its relations with the bangladeshi navy ,here is an article:
http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1002415
NEW DELHI: The Indian establishment is hoping to make some headway in its relations with Bangladesh when Navy Chief Admiral Arun Prakash begins a four-day visit to that country on December 17, with the offer of unprecedented bilateral cooperation in naval matters.
According to available indications, Prakash is expected to try and open a new and more robust chapter with the Bangladesh Navy.
He would extend an invitation to their naval ships to visit Indian ports. Right now, there is hardly any visit by their navy, except for the Bangaldeshi participation in annual get together of regional navies hosted by India.
Admiral Prakash would also offer Indian technical assistance for repairing Bangladeshi naval ships.
seems now indian navy is now looking to improve its relations with the bangladeshi navy ,here is an article:
http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1002415
NEW DELHI: The Indian establishment is hoping to make some headway in its relations with Bangladesh when Navy Chief Admiral Arun Prakash begins a four-day visit to that country on December 17, with the offer of unprecedented bilateral cooperation in naval matters.
According to available indications, Prakash is expected to try and open a new and more robust chapter with the Bangladesh Navy.
He would extend an invitation to their naval ships to visit Indian ports. Right now, there is hardly any visit by their navy, except for the Bangaldeshi participation in annual get together of regional navies hosted by India.
Admiral Prakash would also offer Indian technical assistance for repairing Bangladeshi naval ships.
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hey guys here is some info on the sea wasp engine(a variant of the rd33)being developed for the indian navy mig29k's.
Russia begins trials of Sea Wasp engine for Indian navy
Moscow, Dec. 19 (PTI): Russia today began bench trials of a new jet engine being developed for deck-based fighters for the Indian Navy under 'Admiral Gorshkov' aircraft carrier deal. 'Sea Wasp' engine, being developed by St. Petersburg-based Klimov plant for the Indian version of deck-based MiG-29K fighters, is an upgraded version of RD-33 engine used in earlier MiG-29 jets.
"It has greater thrust and capability to work in all environments including harsh tropical conditions at sea," MiG corporation spokesperson Elena Fyodorova, said. Klimov plant is part of the Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) MiG.
"The work on the development of the engine for Indian naval jets is moving ahead of schedule by three months," Fyodorova said. Under the Gorshkov aircraft carrier deal, India is to buy two squadrons of MiG-29K, with an option of buying total 60 fighters to be later deployed on indigenous aircraft carrier being built under the Air Defence Ship (ADS) project.
well here is the link:
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200512191551.htm
by the way does anyone know the web address of the klimov?
hey guys here is some info on the sea wasp engine(a variant of the rd33)being developed for the indian navy mig29k's.
Russia begins trials of Sea Wasp engine for Indian navy
Moscow, Dec. 19 (PTI): Russia today began bench trials of a new jet engine being developed for deck-based fighters for the Indian Navy under 'Admiral Gorshkov' aircraft carrier deal. 'Sea Wasp' engine, being developed by St. Petersburg-based Klimov plant for the Indian version of deck-based MiG-29K fighters, is an upgraded version of RD-33 engine used in earlier MiG-29 jets.
"It has greater thrust and capability to work in all environments including harsh tropical conditions at sea," MiG corporation spokesperson Elena Fyodorova, said. Klimov plant is part of the Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) MiG.
"The work on the development of the engine for Indian naval jets is moving ahead of schedule by three months," Fyodorova said. Under the Gorshkov aircraft carrier deal, India is to buy two squadrons of MiG-29K, with an option of buying total 60 fighters to be later deployed on indigenous aircraft carrier being built under the Air Defence Ship (ADS) project.
well here is the link:
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200512191551.htm
by the way does anyone know the web address of the klimov?
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in case you did not notice this is a navy thread.
by the way iam just waiting for some concrete developments on the indian mrca front before i can join in a discussion on the mrca.
because the forum administrators consider it as the ultimate sin to discuss an topic meant for the airforce thread in the navy thread.dronzer said:what happend to every one ?why are you guys not discusing about iaf?
since there is no discusion going on ,i would like bring some old topics whuch not been finalised yet .
mig-29 vs mirage 2005
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before is there any improvement in iaf mrca deal.
from what we have discused earlier mrca is a temp replacement for iaf aging ac's.
that means mig or mirage is going to be air superiority ac's.
my ? is which one will be selected.
since mirage has proved its reliability,it has certain edge over mig.
but we have to consider technology,price ,reliability, mig has an edge.
please contribute.:nutkick
in case you did not notice this is a navy thread.
by the way iam just waiting for some concrete developments on the indian mrca front before i can join in a discussion on the mrca.
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well guys here is avery important news regarding the indian navy:
ISRO gets Rs 400 cr for naval satellite DH News Service New Delhi:
The Central government on Friday granted an additional Rs 400 crore to the Indian Space Research Organisation, which is likely to be spent on India’s first naval satellite.
The clearance was given on Thursday night by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and attended by the defence, home and finance ministers along with their secretaries.
Though Union Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee said on Friday that the allocation was for space development programmes, it is understood that the resources have been sanctioned for making India’s first naval satellite for which the navy has already prepared the ground work in consultation with ISRO. The budget document shows that there is no head called space development programme.
here is the link:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec242005/national19325220051223.asp
and also check this link for the future plans of the indian navy:
http://www.spacewar.com/news/india-05zzz.html
well guys here is avery important news regarding the indian navy:
ISRO gets Rs 400 cr for naval satellite DH News Service New Delhi:
The Central government on Friday granted an additional Rs 400 crore to the Indian Space Research Organisation, which is likely to be spent on India’s first naval satellite.
The clearance was given on Thursday night by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and attended by the defence, home and finance ministers along with their secretaries.
Though Union Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee said on Friday that the allocation was for space development programmes, it is understood that the resources have been sanctioned for making India’s first naval satellite for which the navy has already prepared the ground work in consultation with ISRO. The budget document shows that there is no head called space development programme.
here is the link:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec242005/national19325220051223.asp
and also check this link for the future plans of the indian navy:
http://www.spacewar.com/news/india-05zzz.html
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so navy is realy fierdup to expand its armoury,this expansion will give headache to some nations.In this case what will be their reactions.
about navy's satelite ,in think navy should have got it earlier since it is a very important navigational system,how ever since they are going to get it ,it will give an edge over others.:india
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so navy is realy fierdup to expand its armoury,this expansion will give headache to some nations.In this case what will be their reactions.
about navy's satelite ,in think navy should have got it earlier since it is a very important navigational system,how ever since they are going to get it ,it will give an edge over others.:india
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http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/ghost-ship-121205
guys please refer thism link and express your thoughts.
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/ghost-ship-121205
guys please refer thism link and express your thoughts.
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hey guys here is an interesting news article about the indian navy having commissioned a dedicated uav squadron.
http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/06/stories/2006010622070400.htm
hey guys here is an interesting news article about the indian navy having commissioned a dedicated uav squadron.
http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/06/stories/2006010622070400.htm
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About the craft i think both type of aircraft is of israle orginand one more thing dont we suposed to have an indigneous uav.
I have read this in hindu daily news paper .I wonder why navy took so long to make such a squadran of uav's.There is no doubt that it will give navy a plus point in maritime survailance.aaaditya said:
About the craft i think both type of aircraft is of israle orginand one more thing dont we suposed to have an indigneous uav.
kashifshahzad
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Their maximum range can be 200-300 km what will they do in that area.If India has launched its Naval satellite then there is a little importance for these.aaaditya said:
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india is also developing uav's with longer range and endurance with israeli assistance,these are to be known as the gagan,male and pawan,iam sure they will also have naval applications.
the use of uav's provides surveillance ,targetting and communication and intelligence capabilities at considerable distance from the mother ship at much lower cost ,for longer periods of times,without any risk to the pilot,when compared to a helicopter.
even usa and canada have started using a vessel launched vluav,india is also looking for them.
most importantly they can be used for providing guidance for missiles like the brahmos,they have endurance of nearly 40 hours on station which means that you will not need a helicopter to give surveillance ,this will means that the pilots life will not be put to unaccessary risk.kashifshahzad said:
india is also developing uav's with longer range and endurance with israeli assistance,these are to be known as the gagan,male and pawan,iam sure they will also have naval applications.
the use of uav's provides surveillance ,targetting and communication and intelligence capabilities at considerable distance from the mother ship at much lower cost ,for longer periods of times,without any risk to the pilot,when compared to a helicopter.
even usa and canada have started using a vessel launched vluav,india is also looking for them.
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harpy being an attack drone has a lower endurance of 4-5hours and acts a missile once you give the command.
this uav is specifically used to destroy enemy radars and battle tanks(top attack).
it is not the service ceiling or weapon load that is important,but the endurance ,the hunter has an enduranc eof 40+hours.vrus said:
harpy being an attack drone has a lower endurance of 4-5hours and acts a missile once you give the command.
this uav is specifically used to destroy enemy radars and battle tanks(top attack).
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well guys it is confirmed,but indian navy will acquire three more project1135.6 krivack3 class of stealth multirole missile frigates in a deal worth 1 billion dollars from russia.seems the indians are realy impressed with the earlier batch of three frigates.
here is the link and the news article:
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2006/01/12/041.html
State Shipper Wins $1Bln Indian Order
By Staff Writer
State-controlled battleship maker Yantar has won a government tender worth around $1 billion to build three frigates for India, sweeping the deal away from Kremlin-connected financier Sergei Pugachyov.
"The results [of the tender] were announced on Dec. 22 by the inter-ministerial commission. ... The contract signing is now under way between Rosoboronexport and the customer," Yantar first deputy general director Vladimir Kiselyov said from company headquarters in Kaliningrad.
The deal would be worth no less than $1 billion, Kiselyov added.
The Krivak-class frigates on order weigh 4,000 tons, are roughly 125 meters long and are equipped with advanced weapons systems capable of striking naval, aerial and coastal targets.
Rosoboronexport, which negotiates the vast majority of the country's weapons export contracts, was not available for comment Tuesday.
The deal should be signed this year, Kiselyov said, adding that it would take 56 months to deliver the first frigate.
Winning the tender, Yantar beat off St. Petersburg-based rivals Severnaya Verf and Baltiisky Zavod by offering a better delivery schedule and a "better relationship with the Russian Navy," Kiselyov said.
Both Severnaya and Baltiisky are controlled by United Industrial Corp., or OPK. In turn, OPK is owned by Mezhprombank, which is controlled by Pugachyov, who is also a Federation Council senator.
OPK bought Baltiisky last year, ending a long-running rivalry with Severnaya Verf for export contracts. Baltiisky itself had completed a similar deal worth $1 billion with India back in 2004.
Kiselyov said Yantar would build the same class of frigate as Baltiisky. A Mezhprombank spokesman was not able to comment Tuesday.
The Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation with Foreign Countries refused to comment.
"For Yantar, this contract is a real chance to remain a player in the market," said Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy head of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a defense think tank. "It looks like the Russian military too would prefer to have competing shipmakers at a time when the government is trying to bring them together."
well guys it is confirmed,but indian navy will acquire three more project1135.6 krivack3 class of stealth multirole missile frigates in a deal worth 1 billion dollars from russia.seems the indians are realy impressed with the earlier batch of three frigates.
here is the link and the news article:
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2006/01/12/041.html
State Shipper Wins $1Bln Indian Order
By Staff Writer
State-controlled battleship maker Yantar has won a government tender worth around $1 billion to build three frigates for India, sweeping the deal away from Kremlin-connected financier Sergei Pugachyov.
"The results [of the tender] were announced on Dec. 22 by the inter-ministerial commission. ... The contract signing is now under way between Rosoboronexport and the customer," Yantar first deputy general director Vladimir Kiselyov said from company headquarters in Kaliningrad.
The deal would be worth no less than $1 billion, Kiselyov added.
The Krivak-class frigates on order weigh 4,000 tons, are roughly 125 meters long and are equipped with advanced weapons systems capable of striking naval, aerial and coastal targets.
Rosoboronexport, which negotiates the vast majority of the country's weapons export contracts, was not available for comment Tuesday.
The deal should be signed this year, Kiselyov said, adding that it would take 56 months to deliver the first frigate.
Winning the tender, Yantar beat off St. Petersburg-based rivals Severnaya Verf and Baltiisky Zavod by offering a better delivery schedule and a "better relationship with the Russian Navy," Kiselyov said.
Both Severnaya and Baltiisky are controlled by United Industrial Corp., or OPK. In turn, OPK is owned by Mezhprombank, which is controlled by Pugachyov, who is also a Federation Council senator.
OPK bought Baltiisky last year, ending a long-running rivalry with Severnaya Verf for export contracts. Baltiisky itself had completed a similar deal worth $1 billion with India back in 2004.
Kiselyov said Yantar would build the same class of frigate as Baltiisky. A Mezhprombank spokesman was not able to comment Tuesday.
The Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation with Foreign Countries refused to comment.
"For Yantar, this contract is a real chance to remain a player in the market," said Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy head of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a defense think tank. "It looks like the Russian military too would prefer to have competing shipmakers at a time when the government is trying to bring them together."
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