Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion

[zoolander]

Other than its carriers and some new dehli destroyers and russian frigates, India's navy is very old. In fact the stuff i mentioned above are old designs but capable.

India has money to spend but no money to spend it in their own country.

They have very poor ship building industry. Their production rate is really slow.

To modernize they need to built up this industry. At this rate the Dehli class destroyer will take years to deploy

 

[aaaditya]

Other than its carriers and some new dehli destroyers and russian frigates, India's navy is very old. In fact the stuff i mentioned above are old designs but capable.

India has money to spend but no money to spend it in their own country.

They have very poor ship building industry. Their production rate is really slow.

To modernize they need to built up this industry. At this rate the Dehli class destroyer will take years to deploy

buddy you are living in the past,all warships of the delhi class have been commissioned(3ships,ins delhi,ins mysore and ins mumbai),currently 26 warships for the navy are under construction ,the govt has sanctioned in principal the construction of 34 more ships for the navy and the strength of the coast guard is to be increased from the present 60 crafts to 200 by 2020.the times for the construction of warships has been drastically reduced as most yards now use modular construction techniques.

 

[aaaditya]

well guys hare ia an interesting news ,seems that india is planning to set up listening base in madagascar just like china set up at the cocc islands in burma.

here check out this link:

http://www.newsinsight.net/nati2.asp?recno=3615

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Indian Navy to lease station in Madagascar

15 February 2006: The Indian Navy is planning on a high tech monitoring station in Northern Madagascar to combat piracy in the Indian Ocean, terrorism and other crimes.

Crime in the high seas has shot up in the last four years, particularly in the Indian Ocean, but there is lack of timely law enforcement in the absence of infrastructure and coordination among states.

India will pay $2.5 million to lease the station, because it apprehends threats to its strategic naval assets and its political, economic and military interests in Africa, which has become a second base for the Al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

hey guys here is a more detailed article on the above news highlighting the necessity for the navy to set up this facility.

here check out this link:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HC03Df02.html

 

[zoolander]

I thought they were going to built 6. I guess i am not so up to date on stuff. Its nice they are combating pirates and etc but India needs more ship yards and etc.

Did they put the Bahmos on the Dehlis yet?

 

[aaaditya]

I thought they were going to built 6. I guess i am not so up to date on stuff. Its nice they are combating pirates and etc but India needs more ship yards and etc.

Did they put the Bahmos on the Dehlis yet?

i dont think that they have installed any brahmos on delhi class yet,currently the older kashin class are being equipped with the brahmos.

there are several shipyards in india which cater to the navy and the coast guard.

mazagon docks india limited-mumbai(warships and submarines for the navy,patrol vessels for the coast guard,floating border outposts for the bsf )

goa shipyuards limited-goa(medium sized warships upto corvette size and mcmv's and auxillary vessels for the navy and patrol vessels for the coast guard)

garden reach shipbuilders and engineers limited-kolkata(frigates,corvettes,lst's,lhd's and auxillary support vessels for the navy)

hindustan shipyards limited-vizag(patrol vessels for the navy and coast guard and the atv class nuclear attack submarine)

cochin shipyards limited-cochin(aircraft carrier)

the above ones are goverment controlled.

there are also several private companies:

larsen and toubro india limited-set by the swedish engineers larsen and toubro they are amongst the top engineering companies of the world,you can call them indian ge sice they are highly multidimensional-they have branches all over india-are to build the russian amur lada submarines at hazira in west bengal along with kirloskar marine engines limited for the navy,have also designed the lst's being built by the grse,and air cushioned catamarans for naval,coast guard and civil use.

anderson marine india limited-orrisa-they gun crafts and interceptor crafts exclusively for the coast guard.

abl shipyards limited -surat-manufactures 3300 ton pcv's under licence from the rolls royce for the indian coast guard.

besides this there are several companies waiting in line to develop naval vessels for the indian navy and coast guard(tata,another private company whose name i have forgotten).

the govt also has plans to set up a shipbuilding facility on the lines of mdl at the new naval base at karwar,set up a second naval base on the lines of karwar at a place called as rambilli on the east coast(karwar is on the west coast)

and to set up a shipbuilding facility at calicut in south india for manufacturing vessels like tankers etc.

an indian team is currently in oman to sign an agreement for setting up a shipbuilding and repair facility in oman (the team is led by grse),oman and recently mozambique have expressed interest in acquiring indian naval technology.

other customers are srilanka,seychelles,maldives,mauritius,vietnam.

thoug indian shipbuilding and marine industries are not as w ell developed as that of south korea or japan,india has recently launched a maritime development programme worth 150000crore ruppes(approx 34.5 billion dollars) of which nearly 50000crore rupees is for setting up new shipyards and repair facilities (most probably with south korean and japanese help since india has a close association with them).

india would be gaining around 2.5 million square kilometres of sea terriotery thus expanding itis maritime boundary and eez upto oman,hence efforts are now being made to improve the coast guard,the coast guard fleet which currently consistes of 60 vessles of various sizes is to be expanded to 200 vessles by 2020.

currently 30 vessels(warships and other vessles) are under construction for the indian navy at the various shipyards and the govt of india has sanctioned the construction of 30 more.

indians have now started using modular technology in ship construction reducing the ship construction time to 3.5 to 4 years(this used to be 10-15 years in the 80's and 90's),for example india's latest frigate programme the p17a nilgiri class of stealth frigates(an enlarged and stealthier version of the russian p1135.6 krivack 3 class for which dcni is the design consultant and along with the russian naval design beureau) use 172 modules.

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the programme was for 3 delhi class vessles ,however a follow up programme was launched known as the p15a bangalore class which is an enlarged and stealthier version of the delhi class by the mdl,expected to be equipped with the brahmos and the indo-israeli super barak sams,the us had offered india the aegis weapon system though iam not sure wether indian navy in interested in it or not.

 

[zoolander]

india needs to retire some of their ships. They should either scrap them, keep them reserve, refit them or use them as patrol vessels. this is the problem with many second and third word countrys, they have too much junk in their navy. Many of india ships still use the styx anti ship missile.

 

[vedang]

any idea about d development of shivalik class of frigates,,,i thought they were 2 be finished in 2005....

 

[aaaditya]

well zoolander you need to update your info on the indian navy,indian navy's capital warships are equipped with the uran missiles which is currently the mainstay of the navy(these and the klubs will be replaced by brahmos missile when it gets ready),the kilo submarines of indian navy are equipped with the russian klub missiles.

the sea eagles of the indian navy are to be replaced by the brahmos and the klub.

indian navy is retiring its warships and that is the reason why there is this warship building programme,besides this they are also acquiring new warships from abroad,india is acquiring the gorshkov to replace ins vikrant(ex hermes aircraft carrier).

india has already acquired 3 project 1135.6 krivack3 class of stealth frigates from russia and has recently placed a 1.6billion dollar order with russia for 3 more stealth frigates with an option of 2 more equipped with the brahmos cruise missiles.

 

[hovercraft]

currently how many frigates/cruisers and submarines are functional in indian navy? and which are more modren?

 

[aaaditya]

well guys here is another example of a joint solution to vexed problem(i hope more countries join together to fight piracy).

Indonesian, Indian navies to hold joint patrol

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]BANDA ACEH, Aceh (Antara): Indonesian and Indian navies will hold their seventh joint patrol later this month to anticipate various threats in the waters bordering the countries, an Indonesian Navyofficer said Sunday.
"The one-week joint patrol will commence March 24 in the waters between Sabang Island and India's Nicobar Islands," Sabang Naval Base chief Col. Aswoto said.
"The routine operation will be commanded from Port Blair in the Andaman Islands."
Indonesia will send the KRI Sutan Taha corvette and a Nomad maritime patrol aircraft, said Aswoto. Meanwhile, Aswoto also said that the Navy was ready to protect Indonesia's outer islands off Aceh province, such as Rondo, Benggala and Rusa.

here check out this link:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillgen.asp?fileid=20060319192929
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[tatra]

currently how many frigates/cruisers and submarines are functional in indian navy? and which are more modren?

Major surface combatants over 1000 tons full load
(excl. carriers and landing ships)

Modern, in service:
3 Delhi class destroyers (p15),
3 Talwar class frigates
3 Brahmaputra class frigates (p16A)

Adequate, in service
5 Rajput (Kashin II) class
3 Godavari class (P16)
4 Kora class corvettes (P25A)
4 Khukri class corvettes (P25)

Modern, building
3 Shivalik class (P17)

Modern, ordered
3 Talwar class
3 Bangalore class (P15A)
up to 6 corvettes/light frigates of russian design (P28)

 

[alexsa]

Major surface combatants over 1000 tons full load
(excl. carriers and landing ships)

Modern, in service:
3 Delhi class destroyers (p15),
3 Talwar class frigates
3 Brahmaputra class frigates (p16A)

Nobody could argue that the Indian Navy is not a potent force. The one thing I note with some of the locally produced vessel is the combination of Soviet (now Russian) and Western systems. This must be an intergration nightmare.

I wonder if they have problems incorporating them into a single intergrated combat system or if they are operated 'independently' within the ship?

Inforamtion sharing between assets is another issue which may (note I say may) cause problems given the varity of platforms but I don't know enought to be sure.

 

[aaaditya]

Nobody could argue that the Indian Navy is not a potent force. The one thing I note with some of the locally produced vessel is the combination of Soviet (now Russian) and Western systems. This must be an intergration nightmare.

I wonder if they have problems incorporating them into a single intergrated combat system or if they are operated 'independently' within the ship?

Inforamtion sharing between assets is another issue which may (note I say may) cause problems given the varity of platforms but I don't know enought to be sure.

the russians experienced integration problems while integrating the shtil air defence system on the talwar(project 1135.6 krivack) class frigate ,due to radio interference but this problem was solved and the indian navy acquire these frigates and placed an order for 3 more.

 

[alexsa]

the russians experienced integration problems while integrating the shtil air defence system on the talwar(project 1135.6 krivack) class frigate ,due to radio interference but this problem was solved and the indian navy acquire these frigates and placed an order for 3 more.

Thanks for that.

There are various levels of intergartion as far as I know. Are the systesm fused in a manner that information from one sensor can be directly fed to the combat system to provide a holistic picture. As an example of the problems I understand that Australia had quite a bit of fun trying to intergrate the MU90 ASW torpedoes into the SAAB combat system. I could be wrong on this, as rumour often replaces truth, but if that was hard then the connection between weapons systems used by India would provide similar challenges.

From my reading the ultimate end of the scale is what the USN/USAF are aiming to achieve with new platforms where all sensors on a platform and the information transmitted from other platforms are fused into a single picture. It would appear this would be a significant challenge where disperate systems are fitted such as those used by the IN.

 

[akj]

The eighth bilateral exercise of the generic series 'VARUNA' is scheduled off our west coast from 27 Mar to 07 Apr 06. Five Indian navy surface combatants, one submarine, and a number of different types of shore-based fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft will be participating in for this year's exercise, which is called "Varuna-2006". The participating Indian units will be under the tactical command of the FOCWF (Flag Officer Commanding Western Fleet), Rear Admiral Anup Singh. His counterpart from the French Navy, will be Rear Admiral Xavier Magne.

The Indian Navy will be fielding the aircraft carrier Viraat along with her air-group, the guided-missile destroyer Mumbai, the guided-missile frigates Gomati and Betwa, the fleet-replenishment tanker Aditya, and, the submarine Shankul. The Indian Air Force will also participate in 'Varuna-2006' and will field Jaguar And Canberra aircraft. The French task force comprises their nuclear-propelled aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (with her own air group), the guided-missile destroyers Cassard and Montcalm, the fleet-replenishment tanker Somme, the nuclear-powered submarine (SSN) Saphir, and, French 'Atlantique-II' Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPAs) that will operate ex-Goa. In conformance with modern practice, the French task force has one Royal Navy frigate, HMS Lancaster, embedded within it.

One of the major thrust-areas would be 'DACT' (Dissimilar Air Combat) between the Indian Navy's Sea Harrier aircraft ex-Viraat, and, the Rafale and Super Etendards of the Charles de Gaulle. Other aspects that would be exercised by the two navies include fleet air-defence, intermediate and advanced ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare), MIO (Maritime Interdiction Operations), VBSS (Visit, Board, Search & Seizure) procedures and tactical manoeuvres.

Some of the 'firsts' of this exercise include the co-ordinated operation of the Indian and French aircraft carriers (Viraat and Charles de Gaulle), firing on aerial targets, cross-deck operations by the Indian Navy's Sea Harrier aircraft from the deck of the Charles de Gaulle, and, participation by the Indian Air Force.

A DVP (Distinguished Visitors' Programme) - which would also include a few representatives of the print and electronic media - has been scheduled on 02 Apr 06, off Goa.

The 'Varuna' series of joint exercises between the Indian and the French navies commenced in 2001 and has grown in scope and complexity over the years. These exercises have been hugely successful in facilitating mutual learning and interoperability between the two navies. These skills would stand both countries in good stead in several facets of naval activities, such as disaster-management. The last such exercise was held in November 2005 off Djibouti (in the Gulf Of Aden).

The exercise also incorporates harbour based professional, social and sports interaction between the two navies. The Indian Navy lays great stress on enhancing bilateral ties and improving mutual understanding and interoperability with navies of developed countries through professional and operational interaction. The exercise will, in addition, provide an opportunity to showcase Indian naval ship-building capability through the participation of indigenously-built front-line ships such as Mumbai, Gomati, Betwa and Aditya.

'Varuna-2006' is a significant indicator of the continuing and growing co-operation between India and France. SA/AK
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_005331.php

 

[akj]

The Navy is planning to phase out its Sea Harrier aircraft by the next six years by which time it expects MiG-29s and the Naval variant of Light Combat Aircraft to be operational, Flag-Officer-Commanding in Chief (East), Vice Admiral Sureesh Mehta, said today.

"We will have the MiG-29 and the LCAs. The naval version of the LCAs will be ready in the next five to six years. Till then, the Sea Harriers will continue," he told reporters after the launching of the 'INS Airavat,' a Landing Ship Tank Large (LST-L), at Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE).

Stating that the Navy has been allotted Rs 4,700 crore for fleet acquisition during the current year, he said of this, Rs 1,400 crore had been given to the Mazgaon Docks Ltd, Rs 550 crore to the GRSE and Rs 100 crore to the Goa Dockyard.

The Navy has placed orders with the GRSE for four Fast Attack Craft (FACs), four Corvettes and three LSTs, Mehta said, adding, "now they have their hands full for 10 years."

'Airavat,' having more than 90 per cent indigenous content, is the fifth ship of the LST(L) class being built by GRSE. The earlier ships of this class, 'INS Magar' and 'INS Gharial' were built at GRSE and delivered during 1987 and 1997 respectively.

Two other ships of this class 'INS Shardul' and 'INS Kesari' are in advanced staged of fitting out at GRSE.

Earlier, speaking at the launching of 'INS Airavat' he described the LST(L) project as a major landmark in the growth of the country's naval shipbuilding activities.

Pointing out that the 'Shardul' class landing ships would be commissioned this year, Mehta said these would enable the Navy to enhance capabilities especially in the island territories.

linkhttp://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=373150

 

[akj]

Thanks for that.

There are various levels of intergartion as far as I know. Are the systesm fused in a manner that information from one sensor can be directly fed to the combat system to provide a holistic picture. As an example of the problems I understand that Australia had quite a bit of fun trying to intergrate the MU90 ASW torpedoes into the SAAB combat system. I could be wrong on this, as rumour often replaces truth, but if that was hard then the connection between weapons systems used by India would provide similar challenges.

From my reading the ultimate end of the scale is what the USN/USAF are aiming to achieve with new platforms where all sensors on a platform and the information transmitted from other platforms are fused into a single picture. It would appear this would be a significant challenge where disperate systems are fitted such as those used by the IN.

As far as i know, Indoa is not new to intgration of platforms from different parties. India has always followeed the approach of fitting western systems on Russian platforms to increase their effectiveness. Cases to note include Su 30MKI, most ships, Mirage 2000 (can launch R77), Phalcon AWACS on IL 76 etc

 

[aaaditya]

well it is realy sad that the harrier has to go,and that too in just another 6 years,it is the end of a truly magnificient aircraft.

by the way do you guys know that the harrier was recently upgraded with israeli radar and the ability to fire both the derby and python5 missiles(both missiles have been acquired by the navy).

well guys here is an article containing some info on the ins airavat:

Airavat had more than 90 per cent indigenisation. The 124.8 metre long ship can carry 12 main battle tanks, 10 army vehicles and 500 troops for amphibious operations. Over the past two months, GRSE had already delivered two fast attack crafts and two more would be delivered shortly. Ganeshan added that GRSE had orders for four anti-submarine corvettes.


here check out the link:

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?storyflag=y&leftnm=lmnu1&leftindx=1&lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=220136

here is another more detailed article regarding the ins airavat.

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=32251

it has a displacement of 5600 tons,can carry 12 main battle tanks,10 heavy army trucks and 500 troops,has an endurance of 45 days.

it is capable of defending itself and its armament includes the wm-18 rocket launchers,crn-91 naval guns(does anyone have more info on these guns,like their caliber,range,firing rate,number of shells carried and the manufacturer,indian navy generally uses russian guns and the italian oto-melara guns and i have never heard of this type of naval gun.),surface to air missiles and chaff launchers,it also has staging facilities for the mk42c or the indigenously developed alh dhruv.

it is 124.8 metres long and 17.5 metres wide and is capable of speeds of upto 15.8 kts(29.23 kms/hr).

also for more information on this class you can check out bharat-rakshak.com . under the navy section.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys indian navy has today launched ins kolkata the first of the p15a class of stealth missile destroyers,these are the follow up on the p15 delhi class of which indian navy has inducted 3 vessels(ins delhi,ins mysore and ins mumbai),these new warships are arguably the most powerful and advanced warships ever developed by india and as of now definitely the most advanced warship project in the south asia region.3 vessels of this class are to be built.

here is the article:


WARSHIPIndigenous warship INS Kolkata launchedMUMBAI, MAR 30 (PTI)
Aimed at adding a new dimension to the country's naval warfare, India today launched an indigenous warship with enhanced stealth features and land-attack capabilities.
Named INS Kolkata, the ship belongs to the destroyer class and is the first of three ships currently under construction at the Mazagon Dock here.
The warship, under the Project 15 Alpha, is scheduled to join the Navy in 2010.
"Project 15 A, although conceived as a follow-on of the earlier Delhi class, will have major advances in its weapons and sensors ad will be technologically far more superior," Mazagon Dock CMD Rear Admiral SKK Krishnan said.
Project 15-A ships are follow-on ships of the successful Project 15 destroyers including INS Delhi, INS Mysore and INS Mumbai, which forms the frontline combatants of the Indian Navy. Approved by the Union Government in May 2000, construction of the ship was started in March 2003, he said. "Jointly with the Director General of Naval Design, we have made many changes in the design of the ship. Most importantly we are building this series in a fixed price contract," Krishnan said. Propelled by four gas turbines, INS Kolkata is designed to achieve speed in excess of 30 knots/ph and to help coordinate a task force in exerting sea-control in a multi-threat environment.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73

 

[aprasadi]

One of my friends have in navy has send me pics of french aircraft carrier which had recently come to india for naval excercise. I wish India too had 2/3 of these mighty machines.