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Primarily fire control issues. there is little technical imposition on launching from a ship or land.aprasadi said:
For ships that have the angled fixed deck intrusive cannisters it can be an issue - for VLS it's more or less a non event.
It would have to be a hell of a sea state to effect a launch on a VLS.
There is also the ability to survive launch shock and to be boosted after ejection.
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here is an interesting article on the indian navy and information technology and how it has enhanced combat capabilities of the indian navy and revolutionised it's communications.
here check out this link:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr122006/cyberspace1319112006411.asp
Information technology and Indian Navy The advent of information technology has not only enhanced the combat capabilities but also revolutionised the communication systems in the Indian Navy, notes Bidanda M Chengappa.
Today modern fighting navies the world over rely on Information Technology (IT) which has emerged as an effective ‘force multiplier’ or tool to increase combat capabilities in contemporary warfare. Essentially armed forces everywhere face a paradoxical situation because they need to fulfil their tasks with decreased resources and reduced manpower. This necessitates working smarter and looking for ‘force multipliers’ and IT is increasingly used to manage this paradox.
Accordingly, the Indian Navy (IN) also emphasises the importance of IT especially in communication, information warfare, weapon systems, network centric warfare, logistics and simulation. Also the nature of warfare has become information driven like activities in other spheres of life.
Communication Networks: An effective and reliable communication network is a vital asset for any organisation. The Indian Navy has implemented a state of art data network connected up to the field units. The Naval Enterprise Wide Network (NEWN) links up the command headquarters at the apex to field units or warships at the fighting end. Warships at sea are now being linked to this network. This network is based on the latest IT concepts with enough security overlays and is meant to handle futuristic trends in communication for the next decade. Apart from this, various access network technologies particularly the satellite communication are being used for credible real time data linkage and communication within the Indian Navy.
https://www.online.citibank.co.in/portal/citiinforms.jsp?form_id=frmRcaEnglish&Site=DeccanHerald&Creative=Copy&Section=ROS&Agency_Code=DBS&Campaign_Code=RCAO&Product_Code=RCA&eOfferCode=DEHCO180
Information Warfare: Information warfare is an emerging area in the IN's plans. The concept of Information Warfare (IW) is not new. It basically comprises defensive methods of denying enemy access to our own information systems as well as offensive methods of getting into enemy systems to disrupt their smooth flow of information. Today the methods for entering the enemy's decision making cycle and gaining insights into his strategy are powered by Information Technology. Also information of superior quality is required to be made available to oneís own commander in real time, thereby enhancing his battlefield awareness.
Therefore IW envisages a large gamut of activities in a future war scenario. It is only another tool which makes warfare more complex. It is a different approach to warfare and is likely to make heavy demands in the future. The success of IW largely depends on the technological superiority, the extent of one's dependence on electronics for warfare and the extent of networking of its information systems. The Indian Navy has realised the importance of IW and large thrust is now being given to strategic studies, technology up gradation and research work in this field.
Naval Weapon systems: rely on split-second decisions often made by human elements for activation. But before and after the decision is made, the weapon system has to perform extreme computations which have to be extremely fast and precise. Therefore at the heart of every weapon system is a computationally intensive control system which has to be fast, accurate and overly reliable. To meet these requirements deftly engineered embedded systems are being employed which run customised implementation of rugged Real Time Operating Systems.
Network Centric Warfare : (NCW) visualises a paradigm shift from the normal platform or ship-centric warfare to a network centric warfare at sea. It basically relates to linking of combat units at sea like warships, submarines etc into a common shared awareness network in order to obtain information superiority and enhance decision-making. In contrast to traditional operations that are considered to be platform-centric, network centric warfare focuses on passing information rapidly among different entities to increase their ability as a whole to respond to threats. NCW sees the combat elements of the navy as "nodes" in a network. The capability of such a network is typically defined by the Metcalfe's Law on networks, which asserts that the "power of a network is proportional to the square of the number of nodes in the network". The IN is now working towards an effective networked environment at sea. However it calls for deft organisational planning and effective use of high end technology. The Indian Navy has realised this and is currently working towards NCW.
Logistics: Apart from all the operational related areas, the Navy also successfully uses the networked environment and IT prowess for managing its logistics, maintenance and other day to day administration. Navy runs successfully an "Integrated Logistics Management System" to effectively manage its vast inventories required to maintain warships, submarines and aircrafts.
The repair yards use centralised data banks and a large number of web enabled services akin to an in-house Enterprise Resource Planning system.
Training
Today the Indian Navy can boast of 100 percent IT literacy and men who are enrolled into the organisation are given the basic IT training at the entry level training itself. The Southern Naval Command (SNC) with its headquarters at Kochi has realised the need for IT training in a modern navy and the same is imparted at various levels of training. The Naval Institute of Computer Applications (NICA) located in Mumbai, conducts various types of high end and working level courses on IT for navy.
Simulators and Emulators
With the prices of computational power dropping, audio visual simulators capable of simulating any scenario has not only become affordable, it has become an effective substitution to the costly live equipment for training. Thus today, a student officer can sit for hours on a console as in a bridge of a warship and navigate his ship through a selected port or control his weapon console as in an operations room of a warship. The real scenario with all internal and external factors and even the environmental factors like wind, physical shocks, spatial orientation etc are accurately simulated.
e-learning
The Indian Navy has now embarked on a very ambitious project of e-learning. The project envisages a back bone which connects standardised information portals of the various schools and access nodes located all over IN units. The project also provides facilities like distance learning, on line examinations, video conferencing etc.
here check out this link:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr122006/cyberspace1319112006411.asp
Information technology and Indian Navy The advent of information technology has not only enhanced the combat capabilities but also revolutionised the communication systems in the Indian Navy, notes Bidanda M Chengappa.
Today modern fighting navies the world over rely on Information Technology (IT) which has emerged as an effective ‘force multiplier’ or tool to increase combat capabilities in contemporary warfare. Essentially armed forces everywhere face a paradoxical situation because they need to fulfil their tasks with decreased resources and reduced manpower. This necessitates working smarter and looking for ‘force multipliers’ and IT is increasingly used to manage this paradox.
Accordingly, the Indian Navy (IN) also emphasises the importance of IT especially in communication, information warfare, weapon systems, network centric warfare, logistics and simulation. Also the nature of warfare has become information driven like activities in other spheres of life.
Communication Networks: An effective and reliable communication network is a vital asset for any organisation. The Indian Navy has implemented a state of art data network connected up to the field units. The Naval Enterprise Wide Network (NEWN) links up the command headquarters at the apex to field units or warships at the fighting end. Warships at sea are now being linked to this network. This network is based on the latest IT concepts with enough security overlays and is meant to handle futuristic trends in communication for the next decade. Apart from this, various access network technologies particularly the satellite communication are being used for credible real time data linkage and communication within the Indian Navy.
https://www.online.citibank.co.in/portal/citiinforms.jsp?form_id=frmRcaEnglish&Site=DeccanHerald&Creative=Copy&Section=ROS&Agency_Code=DBS&Campaign_Code=RCAO&Product_Code=RCA&eOfferCode=DEHCO180
Information Warfare: Information warfare is an emerging area in the IN's plans. The concept of Information Warfare (IW) is not new. It basically comprises defensive methods of denying enemy access to our own information systems as well as offensive methods of getting into enemy systems to disrupt their smooth flow of information. Today the methods for entering the enemy's decision making cycle and gaining insights into his strategy are powered by Information Technology. Also information of superior quality is required to be made available to oneís own commander in real time, thereby enhancing his battlefield awareness.
Therefore IW envisages a large gamut of activities in a future war scenario. It is only another tool which makes warfare more complex. It is a different approach to warfare and is likely to make heavy demands in the future. The success of IW largely depends on the technological superiority, the extent of one's dependence on electronics for warfare and the extent of networking of its information systems. The Indian Navy has realised the importance of IW and large thrust is now being given to strategic studies, technology up gradation and research work in this field.
Naval Weapon systems: rely on split-second decisions often made by human elements for activation. But before and after the decision is made, the weapon system has to perform extreme computations which have to be extremely fast and precise. Therefore at the heart of every weapon system is a computationally intensive control system which has to be fast, accurate and overly reliable. To meet these requirements deftly engineered embedded systems are being employed which run customised implementation of rugged Real Time Operating Systems.
Network Centric Warfare : (NCW) visualises a paradigm shift from the normal platform or ship-centric warfare to a network centric warfare at sea. It basically relates to linking of combat units at sea like warships, submarines etc into a common shared awareness network in order to obtain information superiority and enhance decision-making. In contrast to traditional operations that are considered to be platform-centric, network centric warfare focuses on passing information rapidly among different entities to increase their ability as a whole to respond to threats. NCW sees the combat elements of the navy as "nodes" in a network. The capability of such a network is typically defined by the Metcalfe's Law on networks, which asserts that the "power of a network is proportional to the square of the number of nodes in the network". The IN is now working towards an effective networked environment at sea. However it calls for deft organisational planning and effective use of high end technology. The Indian Navy has realised this and is currently working towards NCW.
Logistics: Apart from all the operational related areas, the Navy also successfully uses the networked environment and IT prowess for managing its logistics, maintenance and other day to day administration. Navy runs successfully an "Integrated Logistics Management System" to effectively manage its vast inventories required to maintain warships, submarines and aircrafts.
The repair yards use centralised data banks and a large number of web enabled services akin to an in-house Enterprise Resource Planning system.
Training
Today the Indian Navy can boast of 100 percent IT literacy and men who are enrolled into the organisation are given the basic IT training at the entry level training itself. The Southern Naval Command (SNC) with its headquarters at Kochi has realised the need for IT training in a modern navy and the same is imparted at various levels of training. The Naval Institute of Computer Applications (NICA) located in Mumbai, conducts various types of high end and working level courses on IT for navy.
Simulators and Emulators
With the prices of computational power dropping, audio visual simulators capable of simulating any scenario has not only become affordable, it has become an effective substitution to the costly live equipment for training. Thus today, a student officer can sit for hours on a console as in a bridge of a warship and navigate his ship through a selected port or control his weapon console as in an operations room of a warship. The real scenario with all internal and external factors and even the environmental factors like wind, physical shocks, spatial orientation etc are accurately simulated.
e-learning
The Indian Navy has now embarked on a very ambitious project of e-learning. The project envisages a back bone which connects standardised information portals of the various schools and access nodes located all over IN units. The project also provides facilities like distance learning, on line examinations, video conferencing etc.
seems that the americans are interested in involving india in the p8mma project. a boeing team will give indian navy a presentation on this project.indian navy also seems to be quite enthusiastic about this project.
here check out this link:
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/2313.html
here check out this link:
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/2313.html
usa offered india the aegis system for its warships,however nothing much is known about it,these were offered ,the same time that usa offered india the lpd uss trenton and the osprey class of mine counter measure vessels and the deap submergence rescue vessels.
india has recently decided to buy the deap submergence rescue vessels,and the uss trenton ,and are still considering acquiring 8 osprey class mcm's ,however not much is known about the aegis systems,iam sure though that india will be able to modify the p8mma to be able to carry the brahmos and the klub missiles,these are to be the frontline anti ship missiles of the indian navy.
india has recently decided to buy the deap submergence rescue vessels,and the uss trenton ,and are still considering acquiring 8 osprey class mcm's ,however not much is known about the aegis systems,iam sure though that india will be able to modify the p8mma to be able to carry the brahmos and the klub missiles,these are to be the frontline anti ship missiles of the indian navy.
Not true. US never offered India AEGIS Weapon System, however US has offered to sell warships to India but NO mention of AEGIS:aaaditya said:
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=312191
I don't know where you read (may have been Indian media but nothing from US DoD or LockMart) that it was offered but as far as my research goes, you only find people assuming on other forums about AEGIS being offered or "india could get..." but there has been no solid offering of such combat system to India.
iam quite positive regarding the offer of the aegis to the indian navy,though i cannot find the source as of now, by the way the warships that the article mentions are not warships in the true sense ,but are basically support vessels(the osprey class of mine counter measure vessels and the uss trenton landing platform dock).there has been no offer of warships like destroyers and frigates to the indian navy ,though i believe usa offered 2 spruance class of destroyers to pakistan.WebMaster said:
I very much doubt this.aaaditya said:
Aegis cannot be retro fitted to older vessels - it is only installed at the construction stage (final fitout) on new vessels.
The fact that no major surface combatants have been offered to Indian reinforces this.
The US Govt offered Australia 3 Ticonderoga Class cruisers to Australia with Aegis and they were rejected. Amongst one of the many reasons being that a new update to the existing Aegis system was not possible.
Aegis was definitely NOT offered to India - and it certainly is NOT able to be installed retrospectively on the vessel types you mention.
The news source is absolutely wrong.
There has been no release of such offer (of AEGIS for Indian vessels) from US Department of Defense and or the contractors involved therein... so any offer must have been cooked by the Indian Media, just like the F-18 and F-16 offers were cooked way way before the actual offers was made.
Source: Reuters
Lockheed bids for $1 bln aircraft deals with India
Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:44 AM ET
By Madhu Soman
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Top U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. <LMT.N> has made two formal bids to sell about $1 billion worth of naval aircraft to India, a senior company official said on Thursday.
The bids are the latest by an American defense firm to leverage warming bilateral relations between the two countries who were on the opposite sides of the Cold War.
Under the first bid, Lockheed has offered to sell 8 upgraded U.S. Navy P-3 aircraft to replace a fleet of vintage Russian reconnaissance planes for $550-700 million.
The other bid is for 16 multi-mission MH60R helicopters costing $350-400 million, said Royce Caplinger, head of Lockheed's Indian operations.
"It's a case of the perfect storm: the bilateral relationship, the requirement for products like ours, a budgeting process in India that is fixed and real, the money and there seems to be political will," he told Reuters.
Lockheed officials said American defense firms were buoyed by a recent landmark civilian nuclear cooperation pact between the United States and India, which they say is yet another indication of the strength of their relationship.
"We do follow our government. And, where they go, we tend to think that provides us a stable relationship that we can do business with," said Philip Georgariou, a director with Lockheed's aeronautics division in the U.S.
India, which has the world's fourth-largest military with a 1.3 million-strong force, is seen as a lucrative market by U.S. firms as New Delhi is modernizing its defense equipment after long years of neglect.
RELIABLE SUPPLIER?
The Indian government raised its defense spending by 7 percent for fiscal 2006/07 to $20 billion as Pakistan and giant neighbor China -- both of whom have fought wars with India -- are seen as threats despite improved relations.
It is shopping for new fighter and trainer jets, submarines, an aircraft carrier, modern guns and radars.
India plans to buy 126 fighter jets, valued at close to $10 billion, which pits Lockheed's F-16 and Boeing Co.'s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet against planes from Russia, Sweden and France.
Lockheed officials said they were happy that India was looking beyond its traditional sources for the deal, the biggest fighter jet purchase by a country in recent times.
However, Indian defense experts said there was still a lot of skepticism about assured supplies of spares by U.S. companies as they are vulnerable to shifting bilateral moods.
"We have absolutely no experience of dealing with the Americans, as against the Russians, the French or the British or even the Israelis," said Ashok Mehta, a retired Indian army major-general and defense analyst.
Lockheed officials said their company was keen to invest in India's tightly-controlled defense sector as it gradually opens up to the private sector and ultimately to foreign investment.
"It (India) has got not only a wealth of technology and capability but also the advantage of low cost of labor," Georgariou said after visiting some Indian defense facilities.
"India is not the destination for Lockheed Martin. It's the way point to the global market place," Caplinger added.
Lockheed bids for $1 bln aircraft deals with India
Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:44 AM ET
By Madhu Soman
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Top U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. <LMT.N> has made two formal bids to sell about $1 billion worth of naval aircraft to India, a senior company official said on Thursday.
The bids are the latest by an American defense firm to leverage warming bilateral relations between the two countries who were on the opposite sides of the Cold War.
Under the first bid, Lockheed has offered to sell 8 upgraded U.S. Navy P-3 aircraft to replace a fleet of vintage Russian reconnaissance planes for $550-700 million.
The other bid is for 16 multi-mission MH60R helicopters costing $350-400 million, said Royce Caplinger, head of Lockheed's Indian operations.
"It's a case of the perfect storm: the bilateral relationship, the requirement for products like ours, a budgeting process in India that is fixed and real, the money and there seems to be political will," he told Reuters.
Lockheed officials said American defense firms were buoyed by a recent landmark civilian nuclear cooperation pact between the United States and India, which they say is yet another indication of the strength of their relationship.
"We do follow our government. And, where they go, we tend to think that provides us a stable relationship that we can do business with," said Philip Georgariou, a director with Lockheed's aeronautics division in the U.S.
India, which has the world's fourth-largest military with a 1.3 million-strong force, is seen as a lucrative market by U.S. firms as New Delhi is modernizing its defense equipment after long years of neglect.
RELIABLE SUPPLIER?
The Indian government raised its defense spending by 7 percent for fiscal 2006/07 to $20 billion as Pakistan and giant neighbor China -- both of whom have fought wars with India -- are seen as threats despite improved relations.
It is shopping for new fighter and trainer jets, submarines, an aircraft carrier, modern guns and radars.
India plans to buy 126 fighter jets, valued at close to $10 billion, which pits Lockheed's F-16 and Boeing Co.'s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet against planes from Russia, Sweden and France.
Lockheed officials said they were happy that India was looking beyond its traditional sources for the deal, the biggest fighter jet purchase by a country in recent times.
However, Indian defense experts said there was still a lot of skepticism about assured supplies of spares by U.S. companies as they are vulnerable to shifting bilateral moods.
"We have absolutely no experience of dealing with the Americans, as against the Russians, the French or the British or even the Israelis," said Ashok Mehta, a retired Indian army major-general and defense analyst.
Lockheed officials said their company was keen to invest in India's tightly-controlled defense sector as it gradually opens up to the private sector and ultimately to foreign investment.
"It (India) has got not only a wealth of technology and capability but also the advantage of low cost of labor," Georgariou said after visiting some Indian defense facilities.
"India is not the destination for Lockheed Martin. It's the way point to the global market place," Caplinger added.
There you go Brahmos,
http://www.business-standard.com/bsonline/storypage.php?bKeyFlag=BO&autono=15447
Boeing offers eight P-8As to Indian NavyPress Trust of India / New Delhi April 13, 2006Boeing has bid to sell eight long-range maritime reconaissance and anti-submarine P-8A aircraft to the Indian Navy. The company has also invited India to be its development partner, according to a release by Boeing issued today.
"A high-level team today submitted its proposal to develop and deliver the P-8A aircraft, which is currently under development for the US Navy," Rick Buck, programme manager of Boeing, said.
Buck said the proposed offer for sale of P-8As would be the first direct military sale for Boeing in India.
"The proposed aircraft is expected to undergo first tests in 2009 for the US Navy, and would provide India with futuristic technology and significantly improved maritime patrol and reconissance capability," a Boeing official said.
http://www.business-standard.com/bsonline/storypage.php?bKeyFlag=BO&autono=15447
Boeing offers eight P-8As to Indian NavyPress Trust of India / New Delhi April 13, 2006Boeing has bid to sell eight long-range maritime reconaissance and anti-submarine P-8A aircraft to the Indian Navy. The company has also invited India to be its development partner, according to a release by Boeing issued today.
"A high-level team today submitted its proposal to develop and deliver the P-8A aircraft, which is currently under development for the US Navy," Rick Buck, programme manager of Boeing, said.
Buck said the proposed offer for sale of P-8As would be the first direct military sale for Boeing in India.
"The proposed aircraft is expected to undergo first tests in 2009 for the US Navy, and would provide India with futuristic technology and significantly improved maritime patrol and reconissance capability," a Boeing official said.
777 is a very heavy,maintainence intensive aircraft,expensive(around 100-150million dollars per aircraft) and also provides a bigger rcs and hence would not be suitable,besides this aircraft will only be able to operate from internation airports in the country and hence is not suitable.PJ-10 BrahMos said:
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