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norinco89

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What is the current status on India's subs.

I know the scorpian is going to come out in a few years

What is the current status on India's SSN. Are they going to buy a amur class sub or what?
What level of technology is India's indigious sub capable of. Victor II? Yankee?
 

aaaditya

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norinco89 said:
What is the current status on India's subs.

I know the scorpian is going to come out in a few years

What is the current status on India's SSN. Are they going to buy a amur class sub or what?
What level of technology is India's indigious sub capable of. Victor II? Yankee?
well dont know much about the russian amur,but the recent that i heard from the indian navy was that india is interested in joining the russo-italian submarines project,this project is to be based on the amur(a 900-1200 ton variant proposed for the italian navy for littoral warfare.)

however the most unique feature of the amur is its versatility, it is available in sizes ranging from 900tons to 1800tons depending upon the customer specifications.

the russo -italian project will most probably have fuel cell developed italy ,adn italian/european sensors.

if india joins this project then the indian navy version will have either the indigenous humsa or the panchendriya sonars,which have been found to be superior to the russian sonars.

the atv class nuclear powered submarine is expected to be launched next year or in 2008 at the latest,the problem with the reactor containment vessel is claimed to be solved (with russian assistance offered as a part of the koodankulam project),there are also reports that israel is actively participating in this project(maybe for the development of a internediate ranged cruise misile based on the turbopopeye),however icannot confirm this ,all i can confirm is that in 2002 a high level indian delegation went to israel (includng the indian defence secretary) and this project was on the agenda for discussion.

larsen and toubro and kirloskar marine engines are actively involved in this project,they have already set up facilities in hazira expecting to manufacture the amur class for the navy should the navy select it.

they also offered to build the corpenes for the navy at hazira,but the navy wanted to revitalise its facilities at mdl and hence mdl was selected for the scorpene project.

recently a high level indian delegation left for south korea ,their agenda was cooperation in warship and defence technology development and design ,i hope that submarine design and development was also discusse.
 

XEROX

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ecently a high level indian delegation left for south korea ,their agenda was cooperation in warship and defence technology development and design ,i hope that submarine design and development was also discusse.
South Korean ship building looks quality, i could just about image a KDX-3 under Indian navy command:dbanana
 

gf0012-aust

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PJ-10 BrahMos said:
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South Korean ship building looks quality, i could just about image a KDX-3 under Indian navy command:dbanana
The Sth Koreans build to an excellent level of quality. eg they do without doubt, build the best quality deep sea anchor boats in the world at the moment - and all at a price range that is probably 2/3rds to 3/4's the cost of their nearest competitors.
 

SABRE

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aaaditya said:
well dont know much about the russian amur,but the recent that i heard from the indian navy was that india is interested in joining the russo-italian submarines project,this project is to be based on the amur(a 900-1200 ton variant proposed for the italian navy for littoral warfare.)

however the most unique feature of the amur is its versatility, it is available in sizes ranging from 900tons to 1800tons depending upon the customer specifications.

the russo -italian project will most probably have fuel cell developed italy ,adn italian/european sensors.

if india joins this project then the indian navy version will have either the indigenous humsa or the panchendriya sonars,which have been found to be superior to the russian sonars.

the atv class nuclear powered submarine is expected to be launched next year or in 2008 at the latest,the problem with the reactor containment vessel is claimed to be solved (with russian assistance offered as a part of the koodankulam project),there are also reports that israel is actively participating in this project(maybe for the development of a internediate ranged cruise misile based on the turbopopeye),however icannot confirm this ,all i can confirm is that in 2002 a high level indian delegation went to israel (includng the indian defence secretary) and this project was on the agenda for discussion.

larsen and toubro and kirloskar marine engines are actively involved in this project,they have already set up facilities in hazira expecting to manufacture the amur class for the navy should the navy select it.

they also offered to build the corpenes for the navy at hazira,but the navy wanted to revitalise its facilities at mdl and hence mdl was selected for the scorpene project.
What happened to the French Scorpio subs ?? I thought they were under construction in France for IN.
 

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SABRE said:
What happened to the French Scorpio subs ?? I thought they were under construction in France for IN.
The work is under progress in Spain and France:

Work Begins On First Franco-Spanish Scorpene Submarine for India

France’s state shipbuilder DCN began April 28 manufacturing parts for the first of six Scorpene submarines ordered by India.

Other Related News on this issue:

Scorpene Class Submarines For Indian Navy Update and Details
NEW DELHI: India and France today signed contracts for the construction of six Scorpene class submarines in India under Project-75. The project will cost around three and a half billion dollars.

India, France Sign 2.4-Bln-Euro Submarine Deal
New Delhi: India and France on Thursday signed a deal in New Delhi for the purchase of six Franco-Spanish Scorpene submarines and pledged total transparency in the 2.4-billion-euro (three-billion-dollar) contract.
 

aaaditya

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SABRE said:
What happened to the French Scorpio subs ?? I thought they were under construction in France for IN.
indian navy plans to set up 2 submarine lines one on the west coast (scorpene) and the other on the east coast(amur or hdw).
 

aaaditya

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hey guys heer is an interesting article stating that the gsl will start exporting vessels and that saarc countries have expressed their interest in the gsl designed fast patrol vessel.

here check out this link:

http://www.projectsmonitor.com/detailnews.asp?newsid=4789

Goa Shipyard enters export market with fastest vessel

By A Business Correspondent



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Goa Shipyard Ltd, a naval shipyard, has entered the commercial market or, more precisely, the export defence market with a new high-speed patrol craft indigenously designed and built. With a success credit of building over 166 ships of various sizes till date, in addition to repair and maintenance of ships, GSL latest 35 knot Fast Petrol Vessel (FPV) is believed to be the fastest in the world in its category. The FPV has a competitive tag of Rs 45 crore. Export enquiries from Saarc countries are pouring in and to this effect GSL has set up an office in Thailand.

Within the coming 10 years, GSL plans to build new generation vessels, such as air cushion type landing crafts, mine counter measure vessels, pollution control vessels, rescue crafts, tankers, tugs of all types and hovercrafts. Towards this end, collaboration/MoU/transfer of technology agreements are being entered into with foreign shipyards for building these high technology vessels.


The indigenously designed and built 35 knots Fast Patrol Vessel
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suryaaa

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aaaditya said:
indian navy plans to set up 2 submarine lines one on the west coast (scorpene) and the other on the east coast(amur or hdw).
aaditya can you give me some info on the eastern sub fleet (amur or hdw).

i am confused about this deal,under which project will this deal come.

about scorpene deal are we getteng tot with it.

what is our current position on atv.


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aaaditya

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india initially wanted to go for the amur only,however according to the new defence procurement policy,there cannot be a single vendor system,that is more one companie's products have to be evaluate.india already operates hdw submarines and also russian submarines,the clinching factor would be which submarine can integrate the brahmos(amur can,but as of now there is no proposal by hdw to integrate the brahmos on the hdw type214.)
 

aaaditya

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suryaaa said:
aaditya can you give me some info on the eastern sub fleet (amur or hdw).

i am confused about this deal,under which project will this deal come.

about scorpene deal are we getteng tot with it.

what is our current position on atv.


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under project 75 a total of 30 submarines are to be built over a period of 30 years,initially the plan was to develop an indigenous design based on the existing type 209 class of submarine,however these submarine could not be modified to carry missiles.

then the plan was to acquire a submarine from abroad ,which was changed to splitting the order between two submarines.

as far as the atv is concerned ,the project is claimed to be on schedule ,and reportedly all problems with the reactor containment vessel have been solved
with the russian assistance,the vessel is expected to be launched in 2008.

the vessel will most probably be classified as a ssgn(sub surface general nuclear) and iam sure will be capable of launching both ballistic and cruise missiles.
 

contedicavour

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aaaditya said:
under project 75 a total of 30 submarines are to be built over a period of 30 years,initially the plan was to develop an indigenous design based on the existing type 209 class of submarine,however these submarine could not be modified to carry missiles.

then the plan was to acquire a submarine from abroad ,which was changed to splitting the order between two submarines.

as far as the atv is concerned ,the project is claimed to be on schedule ,and reportedly all problems with the reactor containment vessel have been solved
with the russian assistance,the vessel is expected to be launched in 2008.

the vessel will most probably be classified as a ssgn(sub surface general nuclear) and iam sure will be capable of launching both ballistic and cruise missiles.
My understanding from sources such as Naval Forces review is that the Indian submarine fleet will be organized along 3 classes :
> Scorpene, 6 subs for now, replacing Foxtrot and T209
> Amur as of 2010 approx, replacing the Kilo
> Local production SSN based on Victor-III Russian design.
Even if the sum of these 3 classes remained below 20 subs, this would still be the most capable sub force in Asia after Japan and for a long while China, because of its numbers and because of the cruise Brahmos missile. Japan lacks for Constitutional reasons cruise missiles and China has mostly obsolete subs (except the Kilo and the new Yuan).

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aaaditya

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well heer is an interesting article which states how much indian navy loves the russian krivack class and also that currently 33 warships are under construction in india with an approval for acquisition of 30 more warships.

here check out this link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1523157.cms


NEW DELHI: In a major defence deal, the Navy is all set to order three more Talwar-class "stealth" frigates from Russia. To be inducted within five years, these multi-role guided-missile warships will cost well over Rs 1,000-crore each.

That's not all. Faced with rapidly depleting force-levels, the Navy now has as many as 33 warships "under production or order", mainly in public sector shipyards, to retain its war-waging capabilities. Moreover, the Navy has also got government approval "in principle" for 30 more warships after these 33.

"The technical and commercial negotiations for the three new frigates from Russia have now been wrapped up. The contract will be signed formally as soon as the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approves it," said sources.

The first three such frigates, INS Talwar, INS Trishul and INS Tabar, were inducted in Navy in 2003-2004 after considerable delay due to glitches in missile systems.

The Navy, however, now simply loves these 4,000-tonne frigates due to the deadly punch they pack, with a wide array of sensor and weapon systems, including the 200-km-range 'Klub-N' cruise missiles. The next three frigates, incidentally, will also be armed with the 300-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.

Sources said Navy, which wants to maintain its present force-level of around 140 warships and submarines, is going in for "this import option" since the order books for the indigenous shipyards is "now full".

Initial work on the Rs 18,798-crore Scorpene submarine project at Mazagaon Docks and the Rs 4,000-crore project for the 37,500-tonne Air-Defence Ship (ADS) at Cochin Shipyard, for instance, is already underway. While the six Scorpenes will be ready between 2012 and 2017, the ADS will be fully operational only by 2014 or so.

The Navy, of course, is eagerly awaiting the induction of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (the 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov undergoing a refit in Russia), with its 16 MiG-29K jet fighters, in end-2008.

The other indigenous projects include three Shivalik-class stealth frigates and three Kolkata-class destroyers at Mazagaon Docks; four anti-submarine warfare corvettes, two fast-attack crafts and three landing ship tankers at Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) at Kolkata; and three offshore patrol vessels at Goa Shipyard Ltd.
 

aaaditya

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well guys seems that the navy is lookig at its own hawk,the goshawk,by the way is the goshawk capable of operating from the carriers,can anyone provide some information on it?

here check out this link:

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=126504

NEW DELHI, MAY 9: The lack of momentum on the Indo-US civil nuclear agreement has failed to deter American defence manufacturers from wooing the Indian defence force.
According to sources, it is understood that a large delegation from Boeing is arriving in New Delhi later this month to explore opportunities for offering T-45 goshawk to the indian navy.
 

XEROX

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My understanding from sources such as Naval Forces review is that the Indian submarine fleet will be organized along 3 classes :
> Scorpene, 6 subs for now, replacing Foxtrot and T209
> Amur as of 2010 approx, replacing the Kilo
> Local production SSN based on Victor-III Russian design.
I thought it was widly known that the 2 SSNs from Russia would be the Akulas, and the indiginous ATV boat would be based upon the Severodvinsk class


 

aaaditya

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PJ-10 BrahMos said:
I thought it was widly known that the 2 SSNs from Russia would be the Akulas, and the indiginous ATV boat would be based upon the Severodvinsk class


i remember reading an article (i cant remember the source) that the hull of the atv resembles the severodvinsk,but until a detailed information is not available ,this cannot be considered as true.the 2 akulas are to be acquired on a lease for a period of 10 years to train the crew on the operations with a nuclear submarine.
 

aaaditya

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Big-E said:
Has the IN been able to fit a reactor into the ATV to keep with weight and size reqs?
from what i have read in the media reports,yes the reactor has been land tested and fitted in the hull,now the remaining work has to be done.
 

Big-E

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aaaditya said:
from what i have read in the media reports,yes the reactor has been land tested and fitted in the hull,now the remaining work has to be done.
That shouldn't take long, any idea to a launch date? India's first nuc-sub is exciting.
 
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