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gf0012-aust

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dabrownguy said:
Are you talking about the cruise missile or the Dunash BM? if the later explain the anti ship part.
I'm referring to the long range cruise missile tests done on an Israeli submarine in the sth western indian ocean side of India.
 

vrus

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GF, when was that and what was the israeli vessel? If it was a cruise missile, then it should be an SLCM as some sources say, but others say it is an SLBM with 1500 km range ?

Could you possibly provide the link for the event you mentioned ?
 

gf0012-aust

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vrus said:
GF, when was that and what was the israeli vessel?
approx 3-4 years ago and it was an Israeli submarine

vrus said:
If it was a cruise missile, then it should be an SLCM
thats what SLCM stands for ;) Sub Launched Cruise Missile

vrus said:
as some sources say, but others say it is an SLBM with 1500 km range ?
If someone has managed to fire an SLBM out of an Israeli Dolphin then they're an engineering genius of the highest order. ie, the other comments are wrong.

vrus said:
Could you possibly provide the link for the event you mentioned ?
Nope, but I know the contracting company. Some of the older hands on here who used to be DI members will probably be aware as one of the israeli contractors was a regular poster on DI. He also provided photos of the test shoot.

I'm also aware due to other contacts within industry who deal with the Israelis on maritime equipment. In fact the sub was made available on the int'l market as a working test bed. That was common knowledge at one stage in this part of the mil-maritime sector.
 

aaaditya

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finally it seems that the akash missile will productionised this year,with tata expecting to recieve the contract.

here check out this link:

http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=306401&ssid=53&sid=BUS

Tatas expect order for Akash Mumbai, July 02: Aiming to emerge as one of the prime contractors for defence supplies to the Armed Forces, Tata Power expects bulk orders for manufacturing launchers for India's indigenous Akash anti-aircraft missile system.

The company which had already bagged two major contracts, including Rs 172 crore order to deliver Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers to the Indian Army, is seeking to emerge as a reliable partner for the Armed Forces by equipping them to meet the needs of their emerging doctrines in the era of network-enabled warfare.

The Tata Group had earlier announced that it would be investing about Rs 1,000 crore in defence production and R&D over the next 3 years and expects revenues to the tune of Rs 2,300 crore.

"We want to be a leading player in the strategic electronics space. Tata Power delivered mobile missile launcher platform for Akash and we expect, to get a orders once the services decide to induct the missile system," Tata Power strategic electronics division CEO Rahul Chaudhry told reporters.

The company has developed the mobile missile launcher for Akash. The launcher was successfully tested at the integrated missile firing range at Balasore in the eastern cost of the country.

The missile system has completed more than 50 test trials and DRDO sources said the induction would take place in the current fiscal after the final round tests in Pokhran.

The company, which recently bagged the Rs 172-crore order for Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers will be delivering the product in 33 months for two regiments of the Indian Army. "And we expect more orders for Pinaaka," Choudhary said.

Developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) as part of its Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme, Pinaka is all weather, indirect fire, free flight, area saturation weapon system.

It consists of a multi-barrel rocket launcher vehicle with 12 tubes, three replenishment vehicles, a loader-cum-replenishment vehicle and a fire control system. The weapon system has already entered the services.

"The defence sector opens a great market. India is importing systems and components but now that the market has opened to private players, we are gearing up to meet those challenges and deliver products that would enable armed forces to meet the new challenges," he said.

India's defence budget stood at Rs 83,000 crore during the last fiscal up 7.8 per cent as against Rs 77,000 crore allocated an year ago. This would include an allocation of Rs 34,375 crore for capital expenditure.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys here is an interesting news article on the indo-russian brahmos supersonic cruise missile.

here check out this link:

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20060705/50945693.html

The Indian Army has received the first battalion of BrahMos coastal supersonic mobile anti-ship cruise missiles, which were developed by the Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos Airspace Ltd. The Indian Navy was the first to get these missiles, and Indian generals also want to install BrahMos missiles on the Sukhoi Su-30-MKI Flanker multi-purpose fighters being produced by New Delhi under a Russian license.
BrahMos Airspace Ltd. was established in India in 1998 by the Machine Building Research and Production Association (NPO) from Reutov, outside Moscow, and the Defense Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) of the Indian Defense Ministry for the purpose of mastering production of these supersonic anti-ship missiles. Company documents said the new joint venture would develop, produce, market and sell BrahMos cruise missiles.
The governments of Russia and India also pledged to observe the Missile Technology Control Regime and not to use the results of R&D projects for creating new missile systems and upgrading operational systems. In short, BrahMos missiles, which are named after the Moskva River and the Brahmaputra River, will not be fitted with nuclear warheads and will have a range of just 300 km.
The BrahMos missile is a successor to the Yakhont anti-ship missile, an export version of Russia's Onyx anti-ship missile, which was adopted by the Russian Navy only in 2002.
The first BrahMos missile was test-fired from a coastal launcher on June 12, 2001 and was subsequently installed on Indian warships. The Indian Navy's destroyer Rajput, a revamped Soviet-made anti-submarine warfare (ASW) ship [Project 61ME], was the first to receive these missiles. Two of the Rajput's obsolete Termit anti-ship missile systems in her bow section were dismantled at the Mumbai shipyard and replaced with two twin-mounted BrahMos missile systems. All tests carried out with these launchers and the new missile system proved successful. Consequently, the Indian Defense Ministry decided to equip all five destroyers of Project 61ME with these missiles. Brahmos missiles will also be installed on Project 15A Bangalore-class guided-missile destroyers and Project 17 guided-missile frigates, which are larger versions of Project 11356 Talvar-class frigates, and which are to be constructed at Mazagon Dock Limited, India's best shipbuilder. Conventional Amur-class submarines being offered by Russia to India may also be used as BrahMos missile platforms.
The St. Petersburg-based Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering has developed the Amur-950 submarine, featuring new anti-ship missiles inside vertical silos, and displayed her at arms fairs in Abu Dhabi, Brazil and at the St. Petersburg international naval show. It is still unclear whether New Delhi will agree to buy this submarine or not, but the Indian Army is already equipping its coastal units with BrahMos missile systems.
Four available mobile three-missile ground launchers are to be placed on combat duty next year; their crews and service personnel have been training since 2005. Under the contract, the Indian Army will receive a mobile command center, 60 surface-to-surface missiles, the required training equipment and a logistics, support, storage and maintenance complex. Some of these missiles are to be replaced with anti-ship versions.
There are plans to deploy BrahMos missiles near India's nuclear-capable tactical missiles on the Indian-Pakistani border, while communications and reconnaissance satellites would handle target-acquisition problems.
In 2005, the Pakistani Army, which lacks supersonic cruise missiles, adopted the Babur subsonic cruise missile, which can easily be shot down by India's Russian-made surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems. Experts explained New Delhi's decision to acquire the more accurate and faster BrahMos missiles by a desire to restore the regional balance of power.
Experts said BrahMos Airspace Ltd. would develop an upgraded version of the BrahMos cruise missile for the Su-30-MKI Flanker multi-purpose fighter. Russian and Indian designers have repeatedly displayed mock-ups of this fighter and its new missile on external stores at international arms shows, but it will take some time to develop, produce and adopt the missile.
This Russian-Indian joint venture has repeatedly proved its ability to fulfil its commitments on time and to turn out top-quality products. It is therefore hardly surprising that the Russian-Malaysian contract for the delivery of Su-30-MKM Flanker fighters to Kuala Lumpur stipulates that, apart from organic weaponry, they must be equipped with BrahMos anti-ship missiles. Foreign experts have said that BrahMos Airspace Ltd. can produce up to 1,000 such missiles in the next ten years. Some of these will be sold to third countries.
Russia and India are learning to make the most advanced weapons and sell them at a profit. Indian President Dr. Abdul Kalam said no other country boasts such unique missiles. There is a good market for BrahMos, and our countries will actively promote this missile, said Dr. Kalam.
 

hovercraft

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I was posting this news 2 hours ago but suddenly my net times out.
The complete news is, at 12km height missile face problems and sink into Bay of Bengal near Orissa. And final report expected in next 2 days.
 

zoolander

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Isn't that where it was suppose to hit?

Where was the missile suppose to hit?

if this missile does become operational, it would signalify a huge leap in Indian missile technology.
 

aaaditya

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aaaditya

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well here is another news article which shows of indian army's preference for the agni missile ,and also plans to acquire a lacm.

here check out this link:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/10/stories/2006071005411200.htm


Plans to raise more missile groups equipped with Prithvi missiles could be put on hold
IAF has turned down plans to acquire Prithvi II

NEW DELHI: Despite the lack of success in the first test firing of the long range Agni-III missile, its shorter range versions would continue to be favoured for other tactical and strategic deployments and could even replace the Prithvi series of missiles which have not found favour with the armed forces, said Defence Ministry sources here.
Sources said the continued experimentation with the Agni family of missiles would soon signal the termination of the Prithvi ballistic missile project, the first real success story in the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme.
Although there were reservations about the accuracy of Prithvi missiles, the armed forces were aware that the navigation systems could be improved over time. But they were more concerned about the cumbersome procedure for filling the missiles before the launch as that could leave tell tale signs for the enemy to strike at its location.
As a result, work began on an Agni-I missile variation, which completed its last successful test over two years ago. The importance of the test was underlined by congratulatory messages by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, United Progressive Alliance chairperson Sonia Gandhi and Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee.
Since then, the sources said, the equipping of the specially-raised "334 Missile Group" of the Indian Army with these missiles is "almost complete" while the raising of the "335 Missile Group" has been delayed because of rolling stock unavailability.
The Army also has Prithvi missiles in the "333 Missile Group" and the raising of "444 Missile Group" (sometimes referred to as 222 Missile Group) is also nearly complete. But plans to raise more missile groups equipped with Prithvi missiles could be put on hold despite the Bharat Dynamic Limited having put the production on stream. In contrast to Prithvi, Agni missiles are filled with solid fuel that does not require a large number of vehicles for fuelling the liquid fuel-based Prithvi I and II. The Indian Air Force too has turned down plans to acquire Prithvi II and, for the present, is focussing more on fitting Brahmos missiles, a product of an Indo-Russian joint venture company. Work is on in Russia to strengthen the wings of the Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter to accommodate a Brahmos missile under either wing.

there sre some inaccuracies in this article last month indian airforce placed orders for 52 additional prithvi 2 missiles,indian army already uses them.

a third variant known as prithvi3 (dhanush for the navy) with a range of 350kms with a 1 ton payload (this is a solid fuelled missile) has already been tested.
 

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Not A Good Omen For Indian Missile Development

INSAT-4C launch unsuccessful as GSLV crashes downSriharikota: After the failure of Agni-III missile, India's space programme received a major setback on Monday when the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV-F02) carrying the Insat-4C communication satellite veered from its projected path and came crashing down.
ISRO chairman G Madhavan Nair, admitting the failure of the mission, said: "Things have gone wrong in the stage of separation (of the booster from the launch vehicle). We have to analyse the data why it went wrong."
The launch vehicle, carrying the 2168kg satellite to boost to Direct-to-Home television service and digital news gathering, deviated from its chartered path soon after the lift-off from Satish Dhawan Space Centre here at 5:38 p.m. and disintegrated into a ball of fire.
Soon after the failure of the mission, ISRO officials put the entire system on "emergency condition." The jubilation among the scientists at the control station of the Space Centre immediately after the launch soon turned into despair as the launch vehicle hurtled down into the Bay of Bengal. The INSAT-42 launch debacle came a day after the Agni-III nuclear-capable ballistic missile with a range upto 3,500km failed to hit its target off the coast of Orissa and splashed into the sea.

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=http://headlines.sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14246251&headline=INSAT-4C~launch~unsuccessful
 

kams

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pshamim said:
INSAT-4C launch unsuccessful as GSLV crashes downSriharikota: After the failure of Agni-III missile, India's space programme received a major setback on Monday when the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV-F02) carrying the Insat-4C communication satellite veered from its projected path and came crashing down.
ISRO chairman G Madhavan Nair, admitting the failure of the mission, said: "Things have gone wrong in the stage of separation (of the booster from the launch vehicle). We have to analyse the data why it went wrong."
The launch vehicle, carrying the 2168kg satellite to boost to Direct-to-Home television service and digital news gathering, deviated from its chartered path soon after the lift-off from Satish Dhawan Space Centre here at 5:38 p.m. and disintegrated into a ball of fire.
Soon after the failure of the mission, ISRO officials put the entire system on "emergency condition." The jubilation among the scientists at the control station of the Space Centre immediately after the launch soon turned into despair as the launch vehicle hurtled down into the Bay of Bengal. The INSAT-42 launch debacle came a day after the Agni-III nuclear-capable ballistic missile with a range upto 3,500km failed to hit its target off the coast of Orissa and splashed into the sea.

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rurl=http://headlines.sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14246251&headline=INSAT-4C~launch~unsuccessful
Later reports indicate problem was in one of the strap on engines...the pressure dropped to zero there by throwing the GSLV off-course by 10 Degree (Limit is 4 degree). Unfortunate for ISRO which enjoyed a string of 12 successfull launches. This would have been heaviest satellite launched by an Indian Rocket.

Agni III is a appears to be different design than earlier Agni I and II. The fins are gone and is shorter / has larger diameter. I will try to find a line diagram of the same.
 

pshamim

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Thanks Kams for your input. Please do find out more details and share. This is no ordinary jolt and disappointment and will affect overall programs in work.
 

kams

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pshamim said:
Thanks Kams for your input. Please do find out more details and share. This is no ordinary jolt and disappointment and will affect overall programs in work.
Ok here is a link to the line drawing. (courtesy - Bharat Rakshak.

http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Arun_S/Aerospace/
?action=view&current=Agni-IIILinedrawingR4.jpg

I am not really sure whether this will work as a hyperlink...if not please cut and paste the link.
As you can see, its shorter and broader and fins are missing.
It uses pressure reaction control for yaw, pitch and roll.

This is definitely a setback for DRDO. However in case of ISRO, i would not call a set back. This is the third flight of GSLV, previous two being successful. PSLV (polar satellite launching vehicle is ISRO's workhorse capable of launching Remote sensing (and any spy satellites ) to polar orbit. ISRO did suffer some launch failures during initial development of rockets but past 12 yrs they have not had any failures. As verner Von braun said during his visit to ISRO, 'You can't just build on your success, but have to learn to build on failures too.' So in case of ISRO i would agree with Prof.U.R.Rao's comment...this is not a setback but definitely a disappointment.
I will post more info on Agni and definitely on GSLV/ISRO soon...now its dinner time.
 
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