Indian Missiles & Nuclear Development News and Discussions

[gf0012-aust]

i consider any thing below 9000km to be a intermediate range missile if there any cruise missile with a range of 9000+km

Well, that is completey incorrect as per all the Treaties signed between the Soviet Union and the USA


SRBMs are defined as having a range greater than 150km less than 1000km
MRBMs are defined as having a range greater than 1000km but less than 3000km
IRBMs are defined as having a range greater than 3000km but less than 5500km
ICBMs are defined as having a range greater than 5500km

ref: Jane’s Strategic Weapons Systems, edited by Duncan Lennox, Alexandria, VA: Issue 39, July 2003.

TBM: (less than 50km)
BSRBM: (approx 50-150km)and;
SLBM: SLBM's by association are regarded as intercontinental. - but they are outside the scope of this discussion.

The max Cruise missile range (to date) is 3500km

addendum:

Claremont give the following definitions:

Classifications of Ballistic Missiles by Range

BSRBM Battlefield Short Range Ballistic Missile. Range: less than 150 km.
SRBM Short Range Ballistic Missile. Range: 150 km to 1,000 km.
MRBM Medium Range Ballistic Missile. Range: 1,000 km to 2,750 km.
IRBM Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. Range: 2,750 km to 5,000 km.
ICBM Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Range: in excess of 5,000 km. The designation applies only to land-based systems.
SLBM Submarine Launched Ballistic missiles. Designation is irrespective of range, although usually over 5000km.



edit note: validated and corrected ranges with current definitions from Janes Def and Thomas Karako

 

[mysterious]

Well that certainly clears quite a bit of confusion for me. I used to mix up MRBMs and IRBMs. Now atleast, that will not happen. Thanks for that valuable piece of information Gary.

 

[hovercraft]

india started production of brahmos, is any one knows what is production per year?

 

[powerslavenegi]

Indian Missile Development and News

well 12k range for an ICBM to be made in INDIA is being overoptimistic,HOwever having said this it is known to all that unlike many others we have mastered missile & propulsion technology Indegeniously rather than by spying.Prithvi,Agni and GSLV mainly are prime examples of our self reliance.

 

[aaaditya]

well 12k range for an ICBM to be made in INDIA is being overoptimistic,HOwever having said this it is known to all that unlike many others we have mastered missile & propulsion technology Indegeniously rather than by spying.Prithvi,Agni and GSLV mainly are prime examples of our self reliance.

we already have the technology based on our pslv and gslv,according to the us defence analysts india can convert them into icbm's within a year or two of the go-ahead.

 

[powerslavenegi]

Indian Missile Development and News

it is safe to assume it will be improved versions of the Russian models of the same class some were leased earlier too.

I would like to differ on that for India's Missile programme is completely Indegenious (i dont say it just for the sake of it) coz, none of it's IRBM's(agni)
or prithvi resemble any of their foreign equivalents(in terms of range/class)

 

[b_karan]

Lacm

Well that certainly clears quite a bit of confusion for me. I used to mix up MRBMs and IRBMs. Now atleast, that will not happen. Thanks for that valuable piece of information Gary.

There is indeed one more LACM --> Land Attack Cruise Missile ...... example ... SAGARIKA almost 1500KM strike range ...designed for N-Warhead

 

[b_karan]

Brahmos

india started production of brahmos, is any one knows what is production per year?

A new missile regiment has been created just on the line of India's 333 Agni missile regiment . The initial batch to be allocated to this unit is 70 Brahmos for which DRDO has started the production.

 

[norinco89]

I believe the Indian nation is very peacefully in their military doctrine. Much of this i believe is due to their way of life and religion. They are a strong regional power and do not need certain weapons to keep their foes(pakistan) in check. India has the technology to develop long range ICBMs and other stuff but do not feel the need to. Devoloping those kind of stuff will only need to political entanglements and other issues.

 

[b_karan]

I believe the Indian nation is very peacefully in their military doctrine. Much of this i believe is due to their way of life and religion. They are a strong regional power and do not need certain weapons to keep their foes(pakistan) in check. India has the technology to develop long range ICBMs and other stuff but do not feel the need to. Devoloping those kind of stuff will only need to political entanglements and other issues.

Yup , We are indeed a very peaceful country . For the most of the time we believe in peaceful coexistant . But our this nature is being taken for granted by many of our neighbour , and umpteen number of attempts have been made to break the secular social fabric of our society . Their have been innumerable cases of militant attack on our territory.
In this kind of situation being a mute spectator doesn't suit us. Our Western neighbour as u all know has opened a Nuclear and Missile Wall-Mart . This is indeed a very dangerous ...and in this its already being supported by several of other big power mainly CHINA and North KOrea and indeed their is a Nuclear Axis between CHINA PAKISTAN IRAN ...which is very dangerous for our exuistance. That why I feel INDIA as a nation should have these ICBM , N Weapons to saveguard its intrest . SOoner or later there will b a conflict with our Northern Neighbour CHINA which is trying to ecncircle us by colluding with all sorts of non democratic government all of which are anti INDIA .

India indeed needs to bolster its defence agauinst all sort of threat whether it require building ICM , IRBM , SLBM or LACM..

 

[norinco89]

Depends on the range of the ICBM. Like the chinese got one that reach the LosAngelas, Houston and other cities. If india built Intermediate ballistic missile apable of reaching beijing that would be reasonable but one that reach Europe, Austrilia and West Africa that would be unreasonable.

Besides china does not really care about India right now. The bordor dispute is settled and trade is good. Beijing got its eyes accross the sea at Taiwan.
You can see this by just the amount of airbases SAMs, missile and ships around that area. In fact the the number of airbases in the east compared to the west is almost 40 to one.

THe main target for india of course is still the PAKs. It is ovious that the Paks traded a F-16 for M-9 missile tech.

 

[aaaditya]

Depends on the range of the ICBM. Like the chinese got one that reach the LosAngelas, Houston and other cities. If india built Intermediate ballistic missile apable of reaching beijing that would be reasonable but one that reach Europe, Austrilia and West Africa that would be unreasonable.

Besides china does not really care about India right now. The bordor dispute is settled and trade is good. Beijing got its eyes accross the sea at Taiwan.
You can see this by just the amount of airbases SAMs, missile and ships around that area. In fact the the number of airbases in the east compared to the west is almost 40 to one.

THe main target for india of course is still the PAKs. It is ovious that the Paks traded a F-16 for M-9 missile tech.

the border dispute is not yet settled particularly with respect to nefa,where there are still disagreements between the two countries.

the main goal of india according to the former defence minister george fernandes and the current defence minister pranab mukherjee is china,just like china is trying to set up its string of pearls in the indian ocean and is making foray into the south china sea,recently japan made an offer of joint patrolling and the use of one another's bases .indonesia ,malaysia,vietnam,usa,singapore ,japan and south korea are all in favour of joint patrolling with india of the malacca straits.

 

[interseptor]

the border dispute is not yet settled particularly with respect to nefa,where there are still disagreements between the two countries.

the main goal of india according to the former defence minister george fernandes and the current defence minister pranab mukherjee is china,just like china is trying to set up its string of pearls in the indian ocean and is making foray into the south china sea,recently japan made an offer of joint patrolling and the use of one another's bases .indonesia ,malaysia,vietnam,usa,singapore ,japan and south korea are all in favour of joint patrolling with india of the malacca straits.

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[b_karan]

the border dispute is not yet settled particularly with respect to nefa,where there are still disagreements between the two countries.

the main goal of india according to the former defence minister george fernandes and the current defence minister pranab mukherjee is china,just like china is trying to set up its string of pearls in the indian ocean and is making foray into the south china sea,recently japan made an offer of joint patrolling and the use of one another's bases .indonesia ,malaysia,vietnam,usa,singapore ,japan and south korea are all in favour of joint patrolling with india of the malacca straits.

Yes, the border dispute is still being negotiated even after 4 decades of the INDO-CHINA war. Keeping in mind the CHINES foray into INDIAN OCEAN and indeed its setting up of listening post in COCO Island , Bay of Bengal , INDIA went ahead and announced the formation of Andaman and Nicobar Command ANC and is about to place a Squadron of Sukhoi fighters .INDIA in its aim to dominate and patrol the vast straits of Malacca has been vigourously folloing the Look East policy with a string of visit by Indian Navy to these countries.

 

[b_karan]

Depends on the range of the ICBM. Like the chinese got one that reach the LosAngelas, Houston and other cities. If india built Intermediate ballistic missile apable of reaching beijing that would be reasonable but one that reach Europe, Austrilia and West Africa that would be unreasonable.

Besides china does not really care about India right now. The bordor dispute is settled and trade is good. Beijing got its eyes accross the sea at Taiwan.
You can see this by just the amount of airbases SAMs, missile and ships around that area. In fact the the number of airbases in the east compared to the west is almost 40 to one.

THe main target for india of course is still the PAKs. It is ovious that the Paks traded a F-16 for M-9 missile tech.

In the near scenerio CHINA is big concern and the immediate threat comes from Pakistan. The defence our Western neighbour is totally dependent upon CHINA , all the nukes and missile are of CHINES origin. As far as ICBM is concerned , INDIA needs to have this to counter CHINA , as almost all of the mainland of CHINA including its major cities are out of reach of INDIAN missiles. Meanwhile CHINA is furious with the regard to the recent INDO US Nuclear cooperation and has been opposing it at every forum.
So incase of any war in order to maintain the "MAD" Mutually Assured Destruction INDIAN do need to have ICBM in its aresenal .:daz

 

[aaaditya]

seems that the air launched version would be tested next year,the feasibility studies have already been completed and some integration work is to be done.

here check out this link:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=377708


BrahMos aircraft version trial next yearChennai, Apr 13 (PTI): The first trial of the 'air to land' version of India's indigenously-developed supersonic cruise missile, "BrahMos", would take place by 2007 December, a top Defence Ministry official said today.
The 'aircraft version' of the missile would be integrated in the Sukhoi-30 MKI's, Dr A Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Controller, Research and Development, DRDO, and CEO and MD, BrahMos Aerospace, told reporters here.
He said the IAF had asked for the integration of BrahMos into Sukhoi-30 MKIs. A few of the 140 Sukhoi's that are produced by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd,would be fitted with the missile, he said.
"We have completed the technical feasibility of integrating BrahMos with Sukhoi-30 MKI," he said adding "certain development work which will enable fitment of the missile in the aircraft is on." Pillai said the process of inducting the missile in the Indian Navy had already started. "We have already completed 11 successful trials of the 'anti-ship version' of the cruise missile, that have proved its trustworthiness," he said.
The 'anti-ship' version has two versions- 'ship to ship and shore to ship'. He said the Navy wanted it to be integrated in multiple and different types of ships.The navy has identified various ships in which BrahMos would be fitted in. He also informed that a contract had been signed with the Navy for it. Pillai said India and Russia had an inter-government agreement by which the countries would induct BrahMos and could sell it to "friendly countries" as well.

 

[nuke_em]

india needs to bolster its nuke capabilities. on mostly all its sides it has hostile neighbors. with pak being an adversary supported by both america and china i think indian govt should think about manufacturing more nukes. this is in the benefit of India and for Asians to coexist well they must respect each others territory. india needs to break the cradle of terrorism that has rised in pakistan by securing its country with nukes. India being the world's largest democracy has always kept its hand to itself but has china and pakistan done that. nukes are a must to make sure that india will be strong in asia.

 

[aaaditya]

seems some improvements have been made to the agni missile.

here check out this link:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/28/stories/2006042821240300.htm


Hands them over to DRDO and ISRO officials


Sri Venkateswara Mechanical and Electrical Engineering Industries meets rigorous quality control measures
It also delivers high-pressure reaction control system for Agni missile in just three months

HYDERABAD: Critical components required for Agni missile and Geo-synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV), developed by a small-scale unit in the private sector for the first time, were delivered to DRDO and ISRO officials here on Wednesday.
The city-based Sri Venkateswara Mechanical and Electrical Engineering Industries not only met the rigorous quality control measures required for hi-tech aerospace systems but was also able to deliver the high-pressure reaction control system for Agni missile in just three months.
The first piece was handed over after DRDO's Missile Systems Quality Assurance agency cleared it, defence sources told The Hindu .
Unique feature

The unique aspect of the system was that it could deliver maximum impulse for 45 seconds - the thrusters of the rocket motors could operate up to 45 seconds, while the maximum impulse in the earlier systems developed for Agni missile was only 18 seconds. It also had on and off capability, enabling the user agency to activate and de-activate at any time during the trajectory.
The system basically helps in correcting the missile in case it deviated from the desired trajectory since the three kinds of movement - pitch, yaw and roll - could be achieved by using it. "This is the first time that machining, assembly and testing were given to a single firm," the sources added.




it is good to see private companies being involved in the indian defence and space programmes.

 

[powerslavenegi]

Unique Feature

seems some improvements have been made to the agni missile.

here check out this link:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/28/stories/2006042821240300.htm


Hands them over to DRDO and ISRO officials


Sri Venkateswara Mechanical and Electrical Engineering Industries meets rigorous quality control measures
It also delivers high-pressure reaction control system for Agni missile in just three months

HYDERABAD: Critical components required for Agni missile and Geo-synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV), developed by a small-scale unit in the private sector for the first time, were delivered to DRDO and ISRO officials here on Wednesday.
The city-based Sri Venkateswara Mechanical and Electrical Engineering Industries not only met the rigorous quality control measures required for hi-tech aerospace systems but was also able to deliver the high-pressure reaction control system for Agni missile in just three months.
The first piece was handed over after DRDO's Missile Systems Quality Assurance agency cleared it, defence sources told The Hindu .
Unique feature

The unique aspect of the system was that it could deliver maximum impulse for 45 seconds - the thrusters of the rocket motors could operate up to 45 seconds, while the maximum impulse in the earlier systems developed for Agni missile was only 18 seconds. It also had on and off capability, enabling the user agency to activate and de-activate at any time during the trajectory.
The system basically helps in correcting the missile in case it deviated from the desired trajectory since the three kinds of movement - pitch, yaw and roll - could be achieved by using it. "This is the first time that machining, assembly and testing were given to a single firm," the sources added.
it is good to see private companies being involved in the indian defence and space programmes.

What is Unique in one being able to control a Liquid propellant based Rocket motor, theoriticaly it's as simple as opening and closing a tap.
On the contrary I would have been impressed had they used solid propellant based designs for Agni-I and Agni-II for in a Battle scenario portabilty and Robustness are the key.Moreover Liquid propellant based rockets are employed in LOng range and Heavy payoad vehicles (say satellite launch vehicle or an ICBM)Agni-I/II being IRBM's should preferrably have solid propellant based design.

 

[powerslavenegi]

Air launched Brahmos

seems that the air launched version would be tested next year,the feasibility studies have already been completed and some integration work is to be done.

here check out this link:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=377708


BrahMos aircraft version trial next yearChennai, Apr 13 (PTI): The first trial of the 'air to land' version of India's indigenously-developed supersonic cruise missile, "BrahMos", would take place by 2007 December, a top Defence Ministry official said today.
The 'aircraft version' of the missile would be integrated in the Sukhoi-30 MKI's, Dr A Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Controller, Research and Development, DRDO, and CEO and MD, BrahMos Aerospace, told reporters here.
He said the IAF had asked for the integration of BrahMos into Sukhoi-30 MKIs. A few of the 140 Sukhoi's that are produced by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd,would be fitted with the missile, he said.
"We have completed the technical feasibility of integrating BrahMos with Sukhoi-30 MKI," he said adding "certain development work which will enable fitment of the missile in the aircraft is on." Pillai said the process of inducting the missile in the Indian Navy had already started. "We have already completed 11 successful trials of the 'anti-ship version' of the cruise missile, that have proved its trustworthiness," he said.
The 'anti-ship' version has two versions- 'ship to ship and shore to ship'. He said the Navy wanted it to be integrated in multiple and different types of ships.The navy has identified various ships in which BrahMos would be fitted in. He also informed that a contract had been signed with the Navy for it. Pillai said India and Russia had an inter-government agreement by which the countries would induct BrahMos and could sell it to "friendly countries" as well.

Well Brahmos in it's current size cannot be carried by Su-30,only tu-22m or t-160 blackjack would be able to carry it,Having said that A missile of length 8.4 Meters and a diameter of 60cm would have to be scaled down considerably to make it compatible with Su-30 MKI(preferably a missile similar in confuguration to Exocet AM-39).