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Signing of Indo-French missile pact put off
This is a new development. I was not aware that India was negotiating with France for Cruise Missile technology. Lot of intresting stuff coming out of Defence Ministers trip to Europe
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This is a new development. I was not aware that India was negotiating with France for Cruise Missile technology. Lot of intresting stuff coming out of Defence Ministers trip to Europe
france had offered india the storm shacdow air launched cruise missile(considered one of the most stealthy cruise missiles in the world) and the meteor air to air missile for use on the su-30mki and the milan2-trigan for the army(currently being produced by the bharat dynamics limited under tot from mbda),they also offered india the aster15 and aster 30 missile for the navy(nothing much is know about this except that indian navy preferred them over the russian missiles for the gorshkov and other indian navy ships but had to give in to the russian preasure).
i believe ultimately indian will manufacture under tot all these misisles.
i believe ultimately indian will manufacture under tot all these misisles.
powerslavenegi
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Well I am still not convinced if France did actually offer us Storm Shadow,but yes there were talks about Aster and Meteor.But as I have always said defence procurements are purely political decisions,that is why Navy has settled for Barak 8 .As for meteor well let Typhoon and Rafale get armed first.
Well I am still not convinced if France did actually offer us Storm Shadow,but yes there were talks about Aster and Meteor.But as I have always said defence procurements are purely political decisions,that is why Navy has settled for Barak 8 .As for meteor well let Typhoon and Rafale get armed first.
the storm shadow missile was offered in response to an indian airforce request for proposal for a casom(conventionally armed stand off missile),the israeli popeye/havelit was evaluated for the short ranged version(it suffered 2 failures before it was successfully test fired),for the longer ranged missile the us replied with their jassm,mbda with storm shadow and the kepd350taurus,iam not sure wether bae replied or not.
hey guys here is an article with images of the underwater launcher for the k15 misisle of the indian navy.
here check out this link:
http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/aug04/missile13.htm
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here check out this link:
http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/aug04/missile13.htm
LAUNCHING PLATFORMS FOR PROJECT K-15
Pontoon Launcher
This launcher is designed and developed for testing of missiles. Design by analysis approach has been adopted for final configuration of the launcher. The material used for launcher structure is high-strength-lowalloy (HSLA) steel. Sets of guide rails are bolted to the container to hold the launcher. Advanced fabrication technology has been used to ensure the desired perpendicularity, parallesim and concentricity. A 2.3 m static seal, which restricts water ingress to the bottom of the container, has been designed and experimentally validated for extreme hydrostatic pressure. The system has been delivered to the user and mounted inside a pontoon. Platform Launcher
Platform launcher has been designed for launching medium range surface-to-surface missiles. It comprises a launcher structure, a set of shock isolation systems, a set of launcher locking mechanism, a set of special seals and a connector alignment mechanisms for connector blind mating. The launcher structure is having precision dimensional features for perfect interfacing with the missile and other subsystems. The structure is made of special high strength stainless steel for a maintenance-free service life. This material does not need any corrosion protection against any aggressive marine environment.
Pontoon launcher. Inside view (right)
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Salient Features
- The shock isolation systems protect the launcher against shock load. The shock isolation systems comprise disc spring stacks in longitudinal direction and elastic beams in lateral direction. This particular non-conventional combination takes care of compactness and mode decoupling
- The locking mechanism locks the shock isolation suspension system and provide rigid support during launch operation. It is a fail-safe all mechanical device
- The 2.4 m diameter diaphragm seal prevents water entrance and flexes when the launcher vibrates on the shock isolation mounts. The seal has been developed based on steel reinforced radial tyre technology
- The connector alignment mechanism has all six degrees of freedom and, therefore, capable to take care of any misalignment within the envisaged limit during blind mating of connector
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Salient Features
- Faster launch preparation with less pre-launch operation
- The pre-launch operations can be performed from a remote distance of 50 m
- Auxiliary backup power available
- The articulation linkage design is done to minimise the dynamic response of the launch beam
- The system is tailor-made to suit the specific requirements of the user
hey guys great news ,india has decided to acquire four batteries of the israeli spyder truck mounted surface to air missiles for about 240million us dollars.
here check out this link:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154526041859&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
India is set to purchase an advanced short-range air defense system from Israel to bolster its aging Russian-made equipment, a news agency reported Sunday.
India has agreed to buy the Spyder system, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, adding that the military was awaiting Cabinet approval for the deal worth about US $240 million.
The army plans to buy four batteries of the system, PTI quoted unnamed senior officers as saying.
Military officials were unavailable for comment Sunday.
The truck mounted system is made by Israel's Rafael armaments company. In India, the missiles would be mounted on locally made Tata trucks, PTI said.
The Spyder is designed to counter attacks by aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles and precision guided munitions, according to Rafael's Web site.
It uses a combination of two missiles, the Derby active radar missile and the Python 5, which uses infra red to track incoming objects, according to Rafael. The system's radar can track up to 60 targets at a time.
The company had no immediate comment on the purchase.
Israel has emerged as a leading arms supplier to India in recent years as it tries to modernize its large military. In 2004, Israel agreed to sell three PHALCON airborne early warning systems to India. The US $1.1 billion dollar deal was Israel's biggest one-time sale of military hardware.
here check out this link:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154526041859&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
India is set to purchase an advanced short-range air defense system from Israel to bolster its aging Russian-made equipment, a news agency reported Sunday.
India has agreed to buy the Spyder system, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, adding that the military was awaiting Cabinet approval for the deal worth about US $240 million.
The army plans to buy four batteries of the system, PTI quoted unnamed senior officers as saying.
Military officials were unavailable for comment Sunday.
The truck mounted system is made by Israel's Rafael armaments company. In India, the missiles would be mounted on locally made Tata trucks, PTI said.
The Spyder is designed to counter attacks by aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles and precision guided munitions, according to Rafael's Web site.
It uses a combination of two missiles, the Derby active radar missile and the Python 5, which uses infra red to track incoming objects, according to Rafael. The system's radar can track up to 60 targets at a time.
The company had no immediate comment on the purchase.
Israel has emerged as a leading arms supplier to India in recent years as it tries to modernize its large military. In 2004, Israel agreed to sell three PHALCON airborne early warning systems to India. The US $1.1 billion dollar deal was Israel's biggest one-time sale of military hardware.
Spyder
Hmm, did you read the same story in Hindustan Times and Zee News?
Hindustan times
Zee news
Second thing is range - 35 km. That makes itnewly developed SPYDER MR (Medium range) not SPYDER SR (Short Range). Spyder SR has a range of 15 Km.
SPYDER MR RAFAEL
Hmm, did you read the same story in Hindustan Times and Zee News?
Hindustan times
Zee news
These reports say Army intends to acquire 4 regiments, not 4 batteries. This makes sense as 4 battery = 24 launchers=96 missiles. Too less to replace existing OSA-AKM and STRELA-10M missiles. Wonder how many battries/regiment.
Second thing is range - 35 km. That makes itnewly developed SPYDER MR (Medium range) not SPYDER SR (Short Range). Spyder SR has a range of 15 Km.
SPYDER MR RAFAEL
Now that I did a bit more googling, I find this story full of holes.
1. Spyder MR was unveiled in Eurosatory 2006. Can't imagine IA already completing the trials and selecting this. In 2005 IA used Spyder SR in trials along with MICA VL. So I think 35 km range is a questionable.
2. Spyder SR's MFU has 4 missiles on a truck mounted launcher where as Spyder MR's MFU has 8 missiles. The news report says 6 missiles/MFU .
Better to wait for some news after CCS approval.
1. Spyder MR was unveiled in Eurosatory 2006. Can't imagine IA already completing the trials and selecting this. In 2005 IA used Spyder SR in trials along with MICA VL. So I think 35 km range is a questionable.
2. Spyder SR's MFU has 4 missiles on a truck mounted launcher where as Spyder MR's MFU has 8 missiles. The news report says 6 missiles/MFU
.Better to wait for some news after CCS approval.
No, both Derby and Python have their range extended.
hey guys great news,india is acquiring the israeli crystal maze ,popeye,python-5 and derby missiles,besides jointly developing with israel the advanced version of the barak surface to air missile which is claimed to have a range of 60kms(though it is actually advertised as 80kms).
india has also expressed interest in the israeli arrow2 missile ,and have acquired the green pine radars which have a detection range of 500 kms.
here check out this link and article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2062182.cms
NEW DELHI: The ever-expanding Indo-Israeli military relationship, which came out of the closet during the previous NDA regime, has once again gone underground under the UPA government.
In July, defence minister Pranab Mukherjee was forced to call off his visit to Israel due to political sensitivities, both domestic and international. CPM and CPI even demanded India sever all military ties with Israel in wake of the bloody conflict in Southern Lebanon.
Now, top defence officials are being forced to make "covert" visits to the Jewish state. Consider this: IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi and Navy vice-chief Vice-Admiral Venkat Bharathan, among others, have made "secret" trips to Israel over the last five days, say sources.
On one hand, it underlines the fact that there has been no slowdown in the bilateral military relationship, with Israel becoming the second-largest defence supplier to India, notching sales worth around $900 million every year as compared to Russia's $1,500 million.
On the other hand, it is amply clear that the Manmohan Singh government does not want the military relationship to figure on anybody's radar screen, including its Left allies.
Sources say the bilateral relationship is only going to grow in the coming years, with negotiations or joint R&D projects underway for more advanced radars, long-endurance and high-altitude UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles), electronic warfare systems, third-generation night-fighting capabilities and the like.
Missiles and anti-missile defence systems, of course, remain a priority area.
A wide array of missiles, ranging from Crystal Maze air-to-surface and Python air-to-air missiles to Popeye cruise missiles, have already been contracted or are being negotiated," said sources.
The Navy, for instance, is pursuing the joint project to develop long-range surface-to-air missile systems to succeed the Barak-I anti-missile defence systems already inducted on several Indian warships. "While Barak-I has a 9-km-range, the new missiles will have a 60-km range," said sources.
India is also looking closely at the Israeli Arrow-II anti-ballistic missile defence system. India, incidentally, acquired two Green Pine early-warning and fire-control radars, a crucial component of the Arrow system which can detect and track hostile missiles from 500 km away, in 2001-2002.
IAF, on its part, is keen to acquire some more Aerostat radars, basically phased-array radars mounted on blimp-like balloons tethered to ground, to bolster air defence capabilities.
"The final acceptance trials of the two Israeli Aerostat radars we got earlier are taking place in Gujarat and Punjab now. But, we need at least 10 more such radars. Though expensive, one Aerostat can substitute for 30-40 ground-based radars in providing three-dimensional low-altitude coverage," said sources.
During his visit, ACM Tyagi also reviewed the progress of the $1.1-billion 'Phalcon' project, with the first of the three AWACS (airborne warning and control systems) scheduled for induction in November 2007.
Israel is helping with the modernisation of India's Russian-origin platforms ranging from MiG-21s and MiG-27s to the T-72 tanks, apart from several other joint R&D projects.
india has also expressed interest in the israeli arrow2 missile ,and have acquired the green pine radars which have a detection range of 500 kms.
here check out this link and article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2062182.cms
NEW DELHI: The ever-expanding Indo-Israeli military relationship, which came out of the closet during the previous NDA regime, has once again gone underground under the UPA government.
In July, defence minister Pranab Mukherjee was forced to call off his visit to Israel due to political sensitivities, both domestic and international. CPM and CPI even demanded India sever all military ties with Israel in wake of the bloody conflict in Southern Lebanon.
Now, top defence officials are being forced to make "covert" visits to the Jewish state. Consider this: IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi and Navy vice-chief Vice-Admiral Venkat Bharathan, among others, have made "secret" trips to Israel over the last five days, say sources.
On one hand, it underlines the fact that there has been no slowdown in the bilateral military relationship, with Israel becoming the second-largest defence supplier to India, notching sales worth around $900 million every year as compared to Russia's $1,500 million.
On the other hand, it is amply clear that the Manmohan Singh government does not want the military relationship to figure on anybody's radar screen, including its Left allies.
Sources say the bilateral relationship is only going to grow in the coming years, with negotiations or joint R&D projects underway for more advanced radars, long-endurance and high-altitude UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles), electronic warfare systems, third-generation night-fighting capabilities and the like.
Missiles and anti-missile defence systems, of course, remain a priority area.
A wide array of missiles, ranging from Crystal Maze air-to-surface and Python air-to-air missiles to Popeye cruise missiles, have already been contracted or are being negotiated," said sources.
The Navy, for instance, is pursuing the joint project to develop long-range surface-to-air missile systems to succeed the Barak-I anti-missile defence systems already inducted on several Indian warships. "While Barak-I has a 9-km-range, the new missiles will have a 60-km range," said sources.
India is also looking closely at the Israeli Arrow-II anti-ballistic missile defence system. India, incidentally, acquired two Green Pine early-warning and fire-control radars, a crucial component of the Arrow system which can detect and track hostile missiles from 500 km away, in 2001-2002.
IAF, on its part, is keen to acquire some more Aerostat radars, basically phased-array radars mounted on blimp-like balloons tethered to ground, to bolster air defence capabilities.
"The final acceptance trials of the two Israeli Aerostat radars we got earlier are taking place in Gujarat and Punjab now. But, we need at least 10 more such radars. Though expensive, one Aerostat can substitute for 30-40 ground-based radars in providing three-dimensional low-altitude coverage," said sources.
During his visit, ACM Tyagi also reviewed the progress of the $1.1-billion 'Phalcon' project, with the first of the three AWACS (airborne warning and control systems) scheduled for induction in November 2007.
Israel is helping with the modernisation of India's Russian-origin platforms ranging from MiG-21s and MiG-27s to the T-72 tanks, apart from several other joint R&D projects.
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hey guys, great news,malaysia may become the first export customer for the indo-russian brahmos supersonic cruise missile system.
here check out this link:
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=223274
Malaysia May Buy Brahmos Missile From India
NEW DELHI, Oct 5 (Bernama) -- Malaysia may buy the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from India.
India's Defence Secretary, Shekhar Dutt, who visited Malaysia last month, pushed ahead discussions that could make the country the first foreign buyer of the missile, the English daily, the Indian Express, reported.
The visit, says the report, was the "first concerted push to develop the region as a market for New Delhi's new missile export policy".
here check out this link:
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=223274
Malaysia May Buy Brahmos Missile From India
NEW DELHI, Oct 5 (Bernama) -- Malaysia may buy the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from India.
India's Defence Secretary, Shekhar Dutt, who visited Malaysia last month, pushed ahead discussions that could make the country the first foreign buyer of the missile, the English daily, the Indian Express, reported.
The visit, says the report, was the "first concerted push to develop the region as a market for New Delhi's new missile export policy".
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vijayshimla
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Indian Missile Dev
Indigenous missile development seems to crawled & crawled- Like many other programmes, Akash Surface to Air Missile is there only on paper. Air Chief Marshal Tyagi could not hide his disappointment over the inordinate delay in The Akash SAM programme-& of course the delay has upset our plans on air defense of this nation. Some soul reaching is the order of day regarding the much vaunted indigenous Missile Development.aaaditya said:
hey guys check out this link and article ,it gives some usefull information on the spyder missile system being acquire by india.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/10/india-to-buy-israeli-spyder-mobile-air-defense-system/index.php
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/10/india-to-buy-israeli-spyder-mobile-air-defense-system/index.php
aaaditya said:
you mentioned that a part supply by a subcontractor caused the failure, dont you think there is some
cool: ) things going one ,i mean a conspiracy . Even if the part given by the sub was faulty ,our scientists should have examined it for ones, if they didd how come the fault got away .sometimes a component may survive the most stringent tests and yet fail when used operationally ,because the component performs as a part of a group where it is interconnected with other componenets and receives data from them,also in many cases it is not possible to test all the componenets particularly if they are acquired in bulk ,hence random tests are carried out whereby it is possible for 1 or 2 defective components to escape.
it is also possible that a component might have passed all the tests simulating the operational conditions but may fail in the actual operational conditions ,this is because the software used in the simulated tests is not necessarily 100% accurate(may be 90-95% accurate),but the deficiency is enough to affect the component and through it the whole system.
it is also possible that a component might have passed all the tests simulating the operational conditions but may fail in the actual operational conditions ,this is because the software used in the simulated tests is not necessarily 100% accurate(may be 90-95% accurate),but the deficiency is enough to affect the component and through it the whole system.
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