I don't believe the reporter from Naval News is misrepresenting anything. Littoral Lift Groups were clearly depicted in the Brisbane, Cairns and Darwin areas on the graphic released in September explaining the Army's organizational restructuring. As posted in this thread (#10,545). Which you gave a "Thumbs Up"
Something about that size is what I believe that the RNZN should have. Probably 2 - 3. Maybe something NZDF should look at joining.
I could see some potential for exports and even a Pacific Patrol Boat like deal for some of the Pacific nations, certainly PNG, Timor and Fiji could operate the LMV-M.
The reason that I would like an NZDF acquisition of such a capability, is that it can get into areas that Canterbury or the mooted LPD / LHDs cannot. It has both military and HADR potential.
Reread the graphic as it clearly shows the littoral lift group supporting 3 Bde as located in Townsville. The legend on the graphic shows the littoral lift groups as the blue circle. The regional force surveillence units are light brown circles, one of which is at Cairns (51 FNQR).I don't believe the reporter from Naval News is misrepresenting anything. Littoral Lift Groups were clearly depicted in the Brisbane, Cairns and Darwin areas on the graphic released in September explaining the Army's organizational restructuring. As posted in this thread (#10,545). Which you gave a "Thumbs Up"
(image previously posted in this thread from ABC article)
I am interested as to why you expect more Boxers.
Reality injection here. With the numbers of armoured vehicles cut in the public-facing DSR, how long are the production facilities expected to run based on the numbers now on order? Relating to this, when is production (even LRIP) set to commence, and when is it expected to cease, including any/all production of individual parts and spares?
The 2 production lines are good for a decade as it stands. Both companies are huge players offering many different solutions for all domains.
It is a bit different to the RAN situation though. The cuts are to the planned numbers (there aren’t troops trained on IFVs unless they acquired those skills overseas). They are just no longer planning to provide IFVs to troops that have non deployable M113s and will make them motorised infantry instead.
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Yes, the companies themselves are indeed large companies with facilities around the globe. However, this does not mean that any Australian facilities (and therefore Australian supply chains and work forces) will have any involvement producing vehicles for countries other than Australia. They might, but certainly not a guarantee that outside orders will be placed to keep Australian facilities active and relevant.
IMO quite a bit of the above is rather inaccurate. It also seems to miss some of the most important bits in terms of time. I did a bit of digging and found a S. Korean online daily article with more info on Hanwha Aerospace and the status of their entry the AS-21 Redback.
For those who missed it, or perhaps do not understand the significance of it, in a time span of less than 24 months, the entirety of the order for 129 AS-21 Redbacks will be delivered to the Australian Army. I personally suspect that the Hanwha facility established in Geelong will keep ticking along building some stocks of spares and spare parts after the last completed unit leaves some time in 2028. However, absent orders specifically placed to be built at the facility in Australia, I would expect that the Geelong facility will run out of work some time in 2029 or 2030 at the latest.
I think it's more likely we will see a brigade, probably based in Darwin, commanded by a PNG Brigadier, with 5/7 RAR and a mixed Pacific Island Infantry Bn and Australian supporting units. Pure speculation, and a gut feeling. A good political move to sure up an alliance in our region. I think a PNG Lt Col or Col is already 2IC 3 Bgde.
Why would you think you’d see Boxer CRV in 2nd Division?
2 DIV may generate light cav capability using PMV-L (Hawkei) and APC capability using PMV-M (Bushmaster) to round out the basic infantry capability. Combat engineer and signals capabilities will be harder to generate in 2 DIV on just 50 ARTDs. It looks as if 2 DIV will only be able to generate light forces to provide vital asset protection and rear area security. That would at least free up some additional ARA manpower if needed.
That’s the way it has been for the last 20 odd years, but the gentleman I was responding to suggested he foresaw Boxer CRV would going to 2DIV ARES units and I am curious why, as such would be an enormously large u-turn-on the capabilities they have been intended to maintain, especially now that 9th Brigade has been axed…
Like you I cannot see 2 DIV ever getting Boxer CRVs due to the training impost it would place on the units. As 2 DIV no longer has any gun based artillery units the need for a mortar based capability with more punch is crying out to be resolved. With 1 Bde being roled for littoral manoeuvre there does not seem to be a need for M777s in the Bde. But they will still need some sustained fire support. So a solution to give 2 DIV a sustained fire capability may also be suitable for 1 Bde, and maybe as augmentation (not replacing the M777s) to 7 Bde too.