Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

[mysterious]

Wow this tender for 3 SSKs is impressive. With India having Scorpene and studying closely U214, I wonder how it will react with both its suppliers considering selling just as good or even better SSKs to Pakistan...

Political considerations aside, I know very little of this Marlin project, but all of the PN's sub fleet is French, so U214 may have a tough time getting selected !

Btw, what do we know about Marlin, vs Scorpene for example ?

cheers

In a very basic sense, the Marlin is more of an upgrade of the Scorpene. Its the Scorpene but with much advanced tech on board (as well as them being fitted for the Harpoons) and having features of the Barracuda class as well.

 

[kams]

In a very basic sense, the Marlin is more of an upgrade of the Scorpene. Its the Scorpene but with much advanced tech on board (as well as them being fitted for the Harpoons) and having features of the Barracuda class as well.

I agree about Marlin being upgraded version of Scorpene (only because there is absolutely no mention of Marlin in any of official press release/Web sites of DCN or Armaris. and this line of thinking has bit more logic). As for Barracuda or Pakistan integrating nuclear reactor on Marlin there by converting SSK's to SSN (a favourite discussion topic in PDF etc) your guess is as good as any one else. However let's wait and watch who will ultimately win Pakistan's tender.

Webmaster ..sorry about that. Did not realize.

 

[BilalK]

Would you consider Scorpene to based off the older Agosta design? If not, then Marlin will most definitely be an entirely new submarine to the PN; Armaris said a while back that Marlin was based off Scorpene. One must also consider whether the PN would want a submarine based off the Scorpene as well.

As for U-214's SSM capability - I believe South Korean models can use SSMs (either local or American).

 

[mysterious]

I agree about Marlin being upgraded version of Scorpene (only because there is absolutely no mention of Marlin in any of official press release/Web sites of DCN or Armaris. and this line of thinking has bit more logic). As for Barracuda or Pakistan integrating nuclear reactor on Marlin there by converting SSK's to SSN (a favourite discussion topic in PDF etc) your guess is as good as any one else. However let's wait and watch who will ultimately win Pakistan's tender.

Lets not jump to conclusions. If you read my earlier post again you will realize that what I have mentioned is, that 'features' of the Barracuda class are said to be part and parcel of Marlin which DOES NOT in any way suggest that the nuclear reactor is being referred to or that Marlin would be a SSN. There is no doubt that Marlin will be a SSK.

Pakistan has already rejected any plans to acquire SSNs or the capability to build one citing the high costs factor (2003).

 

[kams]

Would you consider Scorpene to based off the older Agosta design? If not, then Marlin will most definitely be an entirely new submarine to the PN; Armaris said a while back that Marlin was based off Scorpene. One must also consider whether the PN would want a submarine based off the Scorpene as well.

As for U-214's SSM capability - I believe South Korean models can use SSMs (either local or American).

All I know is Agosta is the test bed on which lot of technology of DCN/Armaris was developed and Scorpene/Augosta have almost same specification. Scorpene has acoustic signature reduction technology derived from Le Triomphant-class SSBN. There was never any press release about development of Marlin by DCN (in contrast to their newer generation SMX-21), so if I had to speculate, I would guess that its much advanced version of Scorpene. I may be totally wrong, so instead of arguing about it, lets wait for official release. No hard feelings.

U214 can indeed fire SSM.

The Type 214 will have an increased diving depth of over 400m, due to improvements in the pressure hull materials. Hull length is 65m and displacement 1,700t. Four of the eight torpedo tubes will be capable of firing missiles.

link - naval technology

 

[kams]

Lets not jump to conclusions. If you read my earlier post again you will realize that what I have mentioned is, that 'features' of the Barracuda class are said to be part and parcel of Marlin which DOES NOT in any way suggest that the nuclear reactor is being referred to or that Marlin would be a SSN. There is no doubt that Marlin will be a SSK.

Pakistan has already rejected any plans to acquire SSNs or the capability to build one citing the high costs factor (2003).

I was not refering to u regarding fitting nuclear reactor in Marlin. It's a topic passionately argued about in PDF, etc. As I said all talk about Marlins technology is completely speculation at this moment. We will know in 6 months.

 

[SATAN]

Lets not jump to conclusions. If you read my earlier post again you will realize that what I have mentioned is, that 'features' of the Barracuda class are said to be part and parcel of Marlin which DOES NOT in any way suggest that the nuclear reactor is being referred to or that Marlin would be a SSN. There is no doubt that Marlin will be a SSK.

Pakistan has already rejected any plans to acquire SSNs or the capability to build one citing the high costs factor (2003).

If you really want to know what the Marlin will look like...then take a look at the Spanish S-80 subs. Also the weapons package for the Marlin is going to be similar to the Barracuda. Pakistan is theory can fit a Nuclear reactor in the Marlin and turn it into an SSK but i dont know if that is going to be the case. The more positive development is the construction of all 3 Subs at the Karachi shipyards with substantial Tech transfers. The number of subs should in my opinion be Six, not three.

 

[kams]

If you really want to know what the Marlin will look like...then take a look at the Spanish S-80 subs. Also the weapons package for the Marlin is going to be similar to the Barracuda. Pakistan is theory can fit a Nuclear reactor in the Marlin and turn it into an SSK but i dont know if that is going to be the case. The more positive development is the construction of all 3 Subs at the Karachi shipyards with substantial Tech transfers. The number of subs should in my opinion be Six, not three.

Sigh..no offence, 'if you fit a nuclear reactor to Marlin then it will become SSN. not SSK.

 

[SATAN]

Sigh..no offence, 'if you fit a nuclear reactor to Marlin then it will become SSN. not SSK.

Thanks for correcting that, i meant to say SSN.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys i believe that pakistani navy will be acquiring from uk two castle class of offshore patrol vessels ,they are ex hms leeds and ex hms dumbarton.

can anyone confirm this information?

 

[contedicavour]

hey guys i believe that pakistani navy will be acquiring from uk two castle class of offshore patrol vessels ,they are ex hms leeds and ex hms dumbarton.

can anyone confirm this information?

I've read the same information (on www.dedalonews.com)

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys just found out that pakistani navy has decommissioned the pns zulfiqar ,does anyone when the f-22p would be commissioned?
i believe that they would be the replacement for this ship
here check out this link:

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2006/10/29/top6.htm

KARACHI: Pakistan Navy Saturday decommissioned one of its British origin frigates, PNS Zulfiquar.

An ISPR (Navy) press release issued here said that a ceremony to pay homage to its exceptional and prolonged services was held at Pakistan Navy Dockyard this morning.

Vice Chief of Naval Staff, Vice Admiral Mohammad Haroon, who has also served as Commanding Officer of the ship, was the chief guest on the occasion.

A large number of officers and men from Destroyer Squadron also attended the ceremony.

Speaking on the occasion, the chief guest said despite phasing out of this frigate, the Destroyer Squadron of Pakistan Navy is capable of generating a forceful deterrence.

He said the procurement of F-22 P frigates from China in near future, would further add to the fighting punch of PN fleet.

Admiral Haroon paid rich tribute to the services of Pakistan Navy Destroyer Squadron.

He also acknowledged the approach and resolve of the government to make Pakistan Navy a strong maritime force well equipped with the modern-day platforms and weaponry.

PNS Zulfiquar, formerly a British frigate HMS Appollo, was commissioned in Pakistan Navy in October 1988.

During its 18 years service, the ship remained a potent punch of Pakistan Navy Fleet.●

 

[contedicavour]

The Zulfiqar was a Leander type frigate with no SSMs and Sea Cat SAMs (let's just say no SAMs ) so it was completely and hopelessly obsolete.

The bulk of the PN surface fleet is the squadron with the 6 Amazon FFGs. They will remain in commission until the arrival of the Chinese F22P.

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

The Zulfiqar was a Leander type frigate with no SSMs and Sea Cat SAMs (let's just say no SAMs ) so it was completely and hopelessly obsolete.

The bulk of the PN surface fleet is the squadron with the 6 Amazon FFGs. They will remain in commission until the arrival of the Chinese F22P.

cheers

i dont think pakistan has any leander class of frigates,the zulfiqar i believe is an amazon class of frigate.

 

[harryriedl]

as far as i no Zulfiqar was the PN only leander class. it may have been hoplessly obsalite but it had a very good reputaion for ASW

 

[aaaditya]

as far as i no Zulfiqar was the PN only leander class. it may have been hoplessly obsalite but it had a very good reputaion for ASW

agreed with you ,the leander class are excellent vessels,i wonder why pakistani navy decided not to upgrade and keep them in service,they could bequite usefull as training vessels,indian navy still uses the indigenous variants of the leander broad beamed class of frigates(4
),by the way was zulfiqar a broad beamed leander class of frigate?

 

[contedicavour]

i dont think pakistan has any leander class of frigates,the zulfiqar i believe is an amazon class of frigate.

I checked, Zulfiqar was one of the 2 Leanders handed over directly to PN by the Royal Navy 20 years ago.
As such, the ship was completely obsolete, not even remotely comparable to the Godavari FFGs in Indian service, which may be broadened Leanders but have SSMs, SAMs, etc unless you want to compare a SA-N-4 Gecko with a Sea Cat

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

by the way guys how do the amazon class (which i believe pakistan has) compare with the broad beamed leander class?

 

[contedicavour]

by the way guys how do the amazon class (which i believe pakistan has) compare with the broad beamed leander class?

The Pakistani amazons have either Harpoons or a 6-cell Chinese SAM based on the French Crotale. All ships have Phalanx and a 114mm main gun. Most ships carry ATAS (towed array sonar). Space for one helo.
Indian Godavaris carry Styx or Uran SSMs (the first is obsolete, the 2nd is comparable to Harpoons) and SA-N-4 Gecko SAMs (similar range to Crotale). Space for 2 helos. I don't recall if the Godavaris have VDS or TAS, I don't think so (my Jane's is at home )
Overall, I'd still say Godavaris have an edge though it's a close call.

cheers

 

[harryriedl]

arn't the amazons easyer to crew as they are a newer desines because that was one of the resones why the RN had to get rid of the leander.

also are there any county class users left in the world i thought PN had a couple