Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

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Big-E

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SATAN said:
But what the heck is a "lend lease on a nuke?" Is it a Nuclear weapon Russia lent india to lease? Dont they have their own?

I dont see the word Akula being mentioned anywhere in your previous postings. I do know that hindustan is getting 2 decommisoned Akula class SSBN boats in 2007 on a 10 year lease.

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Well the term "nuke" can mean one of two things... one being a nuclear weapon or two being a nuclear submarine. It is clear from the context of our discussion the nuclear submarine was the appropriate topic. Your information about the Akulas are flawed... 1 they are not SSBNs, ballistic missile subs, they are fast attacks, SSNs. Also the the Akulas will not be decommed hulls, they will be new greenfield builds. They are still under construction as we speak.

I have read your comments in previous posts and see that you do hang around military forums... I believe you know exactly what I'm talking about and are trolling. The same can be said for your outrageous comments on the whale thread where you accuse me of racism when I am talking about a submarine.
 
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aaaditya

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Big-E said:
I remember that the Indian ATV project called for nuke reactor in a 4,000 ton hull, that failed also. I doubt Pakistan has the kind of resources to dump into a project like that. Also India has Russian cooperation and a lend lease on a nuke. Pakistan is at odds with Russia over her helping India and the US won't help with that project.
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the reactor has been successfully land tested and the reaction containment vessel has been integrated with the submarine,however it required russian assistance,3 prior reactor designs were rejected by the indian navy and the submarine design has been modified ,the earlier design was based on the charlie1 class which displaced somewhere around 6000 tons,i believe france has a 4000 ton nuclear attack submarine,by the way the indian nuclear submarine is expected to be launched in 2008 delayed from early 2007 and is likely to be commissioned in the year 2012.

thales uk has offered a non hull penetrating optronics mast for this submarine ,which is believed to be a modified version of the one offered for the astute and virginia class,however no decision has yet been taken.

oh and by the way ,i believe the french 4000 ton nuclear submarine is the rubis class,a conventional version of this known as the amethyste class is on offer,i believe this submarine does not require much modification for accepting a nuclear reactor .
 
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SATAN

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pshamim said:
Regarding the German platform, PN never considered the U-212. PN officers have frequented Germany and inspected the U-214. That is the platform that they are interested in.
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According to recent reports...Pakistan is now leaning more towards the Marlins from DCN instead of the U214. I guess the Greeks having serious quality control issues with their U214 scared off the Pakistani Navy since they do not want to induct an unreliable and new platform .
 
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contedicavour

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SATAN said:
According to recent reports...Pakistan is now leaning more towards the Marlins from DCN instead of the U214. I guess the Greeks having serious quality control issues with their U214 scared off the Pakistani Navy since they do not want to induct an unreliable and new platform .
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Given Pakistan's history of French Daphne, Agosta and Agosta 90 submarines, the Marlin option always was the preferred one, especially if some degree of local construction is foreseen. DCN engineers are still working in Karachi.

cheers
 
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SABRE

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SATAN said:
According to recent reports...Pakistan is now leaning more towards the Marlins from DCN instead of the U214. I guess the Greeks having serious quality control issues with their U214 scared off the Pakistani Navy since they do not want to induct an unreliable and new platform .
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I havent come across any such report or reports. Logic on the other hand says Merlin would be the prefered one. However, the fact that U-214 exists physically while Merlin exists only on paper at the moment keeps the logic in check as well.
 
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SATAN

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SABRE said:
I havent come across any such report or reports. Logic on the other hand says Merlin would be the prefered one. However, the fact that U-214 exists physically while Merlin exists only on paper at the moment keeps the logic in check as well.
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Its called MARLIN.....named after a fish. "Merlin" was a wizard .
 
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BilalK

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Last I checked, the PN still prefers the U-214. It can easily be integrated with Harpoon & Blackshark; and there is Pakistani interest in IDAS. The U-214 was also considered cheaper, and since Marlin is based off Scorpene - it would not take India too long to find out potential weakenesses.
 
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contedicavour

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BilalK said:
Last I checked, the PN still prefers the U-214. It can easily be integrated with Harpoon & Blackshark; and there is Pakistani interest in IDAS. The U-214 was also considered cheaper, and since Marlin is based off Scorpene - it would not take India too long to find out potential weakenesses.
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May be. Though the PN can't fully operate its current submarine fleet without DCN help in maintenance and modernization. It would be a tough job to replace them with HDW folks... though as you mention the fact that DCN is now selling to India may cost them their Pakistani market. At the end you would have the DCN folks moving to India and the HDW guys leaving India for Pakistan ...

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BilalK

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Well I assume DCN was contracted for any maintenance and the MESMA retrofit/modernization program long before - they would be obliged to the contract. Despite the Marlin SSK, Pakistani interest is still there in DCN products - but not in Marlin. The PN has a requirement for 4 new corvettes in the 1500-2000 ton range, and Gowind 200 was displayed at IDEAS 2006. There may be interest in the SMX-23 as well because of its low maintenance costs and capability to launch special-forces operations; suitable for littoral defence.

So who knows.
 
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falconlover81

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P-3 Orion Awacs For The Navy

Pakistan – E-2C Hawkeye 2000 Airborne Early Warning Suite for P-3s

WASHINGTON, December 07, 2006 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for refurbishment and modification of three excess P-3 aircraft with the E-2C HAWKEYE 2000 Airborne Early Warning (AEW) Suite, as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $855million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale for refurbishment and modification of three excess P-3 aircraft with the E-2C HAWKEYE 2000 Airborne Early Warning (AEW) Suite, spare and repairs parts, simulators, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical data, system software development and installation, ground/flight testing of new systems and system modifications, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $855 million.
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been and continues to be an important force for economic progress in South Asia and a partner in the global war on terrorism. The command-and-control capabilities of these aircraft will improve Pakistan’s ability to restrict the littoral movement of terrorists along Pakistan’s southern border and ensure Pakistan’s overall ability to maintain integrity of its borders.

Pakistan intends to use the proposed equipment to develop an effective air defense network for its naval forces and provide an AEW surveillance and enhanced command, control, and communications capability. The addition of the AEW suites will provide Pakistan with search surveillance, and control capability in support of maritime interdiction operations. These aircraft will also increase Pakistan’s ability to support the U.S. Operation Enduring Freedom operations, and provide anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare capabilities; and a control capability over land against transnational terrorists and narcotics smugglers. The modernization will enhance the capabilities of the Pakistani Navy and support its regional influence and meet its legitimate self-defense needs. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing the AEW platform into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region. The prime contractor will be Northrop Grumman Corporation, St. Augustine, Florida and Lockheed-Martin, Greenville, South Carolina. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan. There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale. This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.
 
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falconlover81

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First P-3C handed over to the navy

First of eight US P3 C Orion aircraft handed over to Pakistan Navy

Karachi: Pakistan enjoys strong bilateral relations with United States and release of P3 C Orion aircraft designed for reconnaissance, anti-submarine and anti-surface vessel operations to Pakistan is "real sign'' of sustained mutual cooperation between two countries and tangible translation of their commitment to make the world a peaceful and safer placed to live.

This was stated by Vice Admiral Mohammad Haroon, Acting Chief ofNaval Staff, while addressing induction ceremony of P3-C Orionaircraft (PC-84) acquired from USA under contract to obtain eight aircraft, at PN aviation base PNS Mehran on Thursday.

He said uncertainties of present-day regional maritime environment pose complex challenges of terrorism, arms smuggling, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and drug and human trafficking at sea.

There is urgent need to denying use of sea for illegal activities,acts of terrorism for safety and security of humankind, he stressed.

He said induction of P3 C aircraft will add to existing strength of Pakistan Navy and enhance its surveillance capabilities in NorthArabian Sea. The second is expected next month and entire process to acquire eight P3 C would be completed in three to four years.

LINK:http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp#16385
 
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falconlover81

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pics of P-3C in karachi

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Members of a U.S. Navy crew arrive to hand over a P3C Orion aircraft to Pakistan Navy officials during the induction ceremony of the plane into the Pakistan Navy fleet at Mehran base in Karachi January 18, 2007.

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Acting U.S. Consul General in Karachi Kay Anske (L) hands over the documents of a P3C Orion aircraft to Pakistan Navy Commander Wasim Qureshi during the aircraft induction ceremony at Mehran base in Karachi January 18, 2007
 
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P.A.F

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radiosilence said:
Do you know the delivery schedule of the remaining P-3Cs?
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Sorry for the late reply . been a little tied down:( .

Anyway according to the link below, all 8 will be in the hands of PN in 4 years time and the next delivery is next month.>>>>>>>
http://www.dawn.com/2007/01/19/top14.htm

Navy gets first P-3C Orion



By Shamim-ur-Rahman
KARACHI, Jan 18: First of the eight P-3C Orion reconnaissance aircraft was inducted into the Pakistan Navy on Thursday and the second one is expected to join the fleet next month.

The process of acquiring all eight aircraft will be completed in three to four years.

Senior government officials and representatives of the US mission were present at the handing-over ceremony here.Speaking on the occasion, acting Chief of the Naval Staff Vice Admiral Mohammad Haroon referred to the strong relations between Pakistan and the US and said the P-3C Orion aircraft -- designed for reconnaissance, anti-submarine and anti-surface vessel operations -- was a ‘real sign’ of sustained mutual cooperation and tangible translation of their commitment to make the world a peaceful and safe place to live in.

He said uncertainties of the present-day regional maritime environment posed complex challenges of terrorism, arms smuggling, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and drugs and human trafficking at sea. There was urgent need to deny use of sea for illegal activities and acts of terrorism for safety and security of humankind, he said.

He claimed that induction of P-3C aircraft would add to the strength of Pakistan Navy and enhance its surveillance capabilities in the north of the Arabian Sea.

P-3C Orion is four-engine, highly manoeuvrable, all-weather aircraft primarily designed for reconnaissance, anti-submarine and anti-surface vessel operations. By virtue of its extraordinary weapon-carrying capability, P-3C is known as “Airborne Destroyer”.
 
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