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do you mean the carnic base(car nicobar base) ,carnic is an airbase ,it was made operational within 3 months of the tsunami and has also been improved,it can now acomodate the il76's ,i believe a squadron of su30's and jaguars are deployed there.gf0012-aust said:
as far as port blair is concerned ,it was not affected by the tsunami and was used for the rescue and relief works on carnic.
Deeps_rock
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Indo-UK Naval exercise
A British nuclear task force is engaging the Indian navy in the biggest naval exercises between the two sides in four decades.
'Konkan 2006' is a sign of just how important India is being seen as a major international military force.
Exercises like these, which were unthinkable till a few years ago, reflect the new strategic equation between India and countries like the UK and the US.
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Indo-UK Naval exercises underway
A British nuclear task force is engaging the Indian navy in the biggest naval exercises between the two sides in four decades.
'Konkan 2006' is a sign of just how important India is being seen as a major international military force.
Exercises like these, which were unthinkable till a few years ago, reflect the new strategic equation between India and countries like the UK and the US.
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Indo-UK Naval exercises underway
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Grand Danois
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France and UK swaps destroyers for their carrier battlegroups. Here is an amusing Googletranslation from Mer et Marine.PJ-10 BrahMos said:Does anyone know why their their seems to be a French ship in the exercise
gf, either you have a crystal ball or you are on the editorial staff (just kidding). I guess Big-E might actual be meeting some of these gentlemen.
After Hawk AJTs for air force, will it be Goshawk for navy?
IANS
Tue, 30 May 2006, 00:05
NEW DELHI: The US is offering to the Indian Navy the latest version of its T-45C Goshawk trainer aircraft, the naval version of the British BAe Hawk that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is purchasing.
Boeing, which manufactures the Goshawk in collaboration with BAe Systems, sent a high-level team to India last week to formally offer this aircraft, in addition to the F-18 Super Hornet that it wants to sell to the IAF to meet its multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) requirement of 126 jets.
Chris Chadwick, Boeing's vice president and general manager for global strike systems, said India was wide on the US horizon and that the best of American technology was on offer in view of the newly emerging strategic equations between the two countries.
Cooperation between the two countries could cover the latest equipment for the Indian Army, Indian Navy and the Indian Air Force - as well as space.
India needs trainers for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov that it is buying from Russia. Ironically, as the Russians could not extend carrier landing training to the Indian Navy, it had to go to the US - and that has provided Washington the opportunity to offer the Goshawk to the Indian Navy.
Thirty-two Indian Navy pilots have been assigned to receive carrier takeoff-and-landing training at the US Navy's Pensacola Naval Air Station, Florida, where all US naval pilots are given initial and advanced training. The Indian pilots are being sent in batches of four, beginning earlier this year.
The US is looking for "interoperability" with the Indian forces for commonality in weapons and systems. It was with this in view that the Pentagon offered to train Indian naval pilots.
New Delhi had to accept the offer as Russia was unable to come up with carrier deck training. Admiral Gorshkov is due for delivery to the Indian Navy in 2008 along with a complement of 16 MiG 29K carrier-based fighters.
Boeing says that as the IAF is buying 66 Hawk advanced jet trainers (AJTs) from Britain, it would be cost-effective for the Indian Navy to go in for the Goshawk as there is a substantial commonality of parts between them. Rolls Royce's Adour engines power both aircraft, and although they are different models, many of their sub-assemblies are common.
Adour engines also power the IAF fleet of Jaguars that are made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
The US Navy had selected the Hawk for training its pilots but as deck-based operations need sturdier airframes, the aircraft was suitably modified. The latest model T-45C has digital avionics and its training programme covers classroom instructions to simulators, initial and advanced carrier-based operations. The aircraft can also carry some weapons if required.
Boeing is responsible for the forward fuselage and stabilizers, assembly and systems integration, production test flights and maintenance. BAe produces the wings and the centre and rear fuselage while Rolls Royce makes the engines.
Some 170 Goshawks have been delivered to the US Navy, with 100 more in the pipeline. It is likely to be in operation beyond 2030.
As for the Indian Navy, its pilots have so far received advanced training on Harrier jump jets.
Unlike the AJTs for the IAF, two-thirds of which would be made in India under licence at HAL, the navy's requirement of trainer aircraft should not normally exceed a squadron, or about 20. Thus they are likely to be purchased outright.
Here is the link:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_006198.php
After Hawk AJTs for air force, will it be Goshawk for navy?
IANS
Tue, 30 May 2006, 00:05
NEW DELHI: The US is offering to the Indian Navy the latest version of its T-45C Goshawk trainer aircraft, the naval version of the British BAe Hawk that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is purchasing.
Boeing, which manufactures the Goshawk in collaboration with BAe Systems, sent a high-level team to India last week to formally offer this aircraft, in addition to the F-18 Super Hornet that it wants to sell to the IAF to meet its multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) requirement of 126 jets.
Chris Chadwick, Boeing's vice president and general manager for global strike systems, said India was wide on the US horizon and that the best of American technology was on offer in view of the newly emerging strategic equations between the two countries.
Cooperation between the two countries could cover the latest equipment for the Indian Army, Indian Navy and the Indian Air Force - as well as space.
India needs trainers for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov that it is buying from Russia. Ironically, as the Russians could not extend carrier landing training to the Indian Navy, it had to go to the US - and that has provided Washington the opportunity to offer the Goshawk to the Indian Navy.
Thirty-two Indian Navy pilots have been assigned to receive carrier takeoff-and-landing training at the US Navy's Pensacola Naval Air Station, Florida, where all US naval pilots are given initial and advanced training. The Indian pilots are being sent in batches of four, beginning earlier this year.
The US is looking for "interoperability" with the Indian forces for commonality in weapons and systems. It was with this in view that the Pentagon offered to train Indian naval pilots.
New Delhi had to accept the offer as Russia was unable to come up with carrier deck training. Admiral Gorshkov is due for delivery to the Indian Navy in 2008 along with a complement of 16 MiG 29K carrier-based fighters.
Boeing says that as the IAF is buying 66 Hawk advanced jet trainers (AJTs) from Britain, it would be cost-effective for the Indian Navy to go in for the Goshawk as there is a substantial commonality of parts between them. Rolls Royce's Adour engines power both aircraft, and although they are different models, many of their sub-assemblies are common.
Adour engines also power the IAF fleet of Jaguars that are made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
The US Navy had selected the Hawk for training its pilots but as deck-based operations need sturdier airframes, the aircraft was suitably modified. The latest model T-45C has digital avionics and its training programme covers classroom instructions to simulators, initial and advanced carrier-based operations. The aircraft can also carry some weapons if required.
Boeing is responsible for the forward fuselage and stabilizers, assembly and systems integration, production test flights and maintenance. BAe produces the wings and the centre and rear fuselage while Rolls Royce makes the engines.
Some 170 Goshawks have been delivered to the US Navy, with 100 more in the pipeline. It is likely to be in operation beyond 2030.
As for the Indian Navy, its pilots have so far received advanced training on Harrier jump jets.
Unlike the AJTs for the IAF, two-thirds of which would be made in India under licence at HAL, the navy's requirement of trainer aircraft should not normally exceed a squadron, or about 20. Thus they are likely to be purchased outright.
Here is the link:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_006198.php
It was a process of deductive elimination. eg, look at the plane, look at its role and then compare it against what the Indians require and are deficient in.renjer said:
what will be interesting is whether India goes to a full CATOBAR design on their carrier.
that would enable them to lift squadron launch rates, lift weapons carriage per plane, extend the mission time, extend time on target, get a flight up as a group faster than STOBAR and a few other bits and pieces which I have no doubt that Big-E will add in as well.
interesting times ahead.
powerslavenegi
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Having followed the recent developments in relation to acqusition of Adm. Gorshkov ,I believe that it would operate a batch of Mig-29k's in a STOBAR configuration,for the carrier has a 14.3 deg ski-jump on the bow and three arrester wires.India has opertated INS Vikrant(HMS HERCULES) & INS Viraat(HMS Hermes) in the past both having a ski-jump and the former using a STOBAR config hence it would be a more obvious choice for the Indian Navy.gf0012-aust said:It was a process of deductive elimination. eg, look at the plane, look at its role and then compare it against what the Indians require and are deficient in.
what will be interesting is whether India goes to a full CATOBAR design on their carrier.
that would enable them to lift squadron launch rates, lift weapons carriage per plane, extend the mission time, extend time on target, get a flight up as a group faster than STOBAR and a few other bits and pieces which I have no doubt that Big-E will add in as well.
interesting times ahead.
I agree that STOBAR is more likely, but the reality is that CATOBAR provides some distinct advantages as per my prev:powerslavenegi said:
- lift squadron launch rates,
- lower vessel speeds for launch,
- lift weapons carriage per plane,
- extend the mission time,
- extend time on target,
- get a flight up as a group faster than STOBAR etc etc etc.....
The Naval LCA is at present, intended for STOBAR, so the ADS carrier is most likly to be designed for short take off and AR, i dont know about INS Gorshy maybe it could be configured for STOBAR??
GF, isnt STOBAR an American technology used only by the USN and the French Navy??
GF, isnt STOBAR an American technology used only by the USN and the French Navy??
hey guys eads has offered india a naval variant of its airbus a319 as a competitor against the p8mma.
here check out this link:
flightglobal
here check out this link:
flightglobal
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hey guys here are the contenders for the indian navy's maritime patrol helicopter deal.
check out this link:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/05/30/Navigation/177/206956/EC725,+NH90+S-70B+and+MH-60R+in+frame+as+Indian+navy+starts+hunt+for+anti-submarine+warfare.html
The Indian navy has begun evaluating four proposals for its anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter replacement requirement, writes Brendan Sobie.
Industry sources say bids have been submitted by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) offering the Eurocopter EC725, NH Industries the NH90, Sikorsky the S-70B and by the US Navy for the new Sikorsky-built, Lockheed Martin integrated MH-60R.
The Indian navy is looking to replace its ageing Westland Sea King fleet, which when delivered in the 1980s consisted of over 40 aircraft, and initially plans to acquire 16 replacements and take eight options. The navy will conduct field evaluations after finishing technical evaluations, but the manufacturers have not yet been provided with a schedule for site visits. A contract could be signed as early as next year, but sources say the navy may opt to delay the acquisition and instead buy a proposed 10t indigenous helicopter from HAL.
The Indian manufacturer plans to select a foreign company to help it launch a five-year indigenous development or co-development programme. Sources say Eurocopter and Sikorsky are now preparing proposals, which will be submitted to HAL around mid-year. Sources say Bell also met with HAL earlier this year to discuss co-developing a new helicopter that would have expanded Bell’s portfolio into the 10t category, but the US manufacturer has decided against submitting a bid.
AgustaWestland, which did not respond to the navy’s tender because its EH101 is too large for the requirement, is also unlikely to submit a bid for the HAL project.
Sources say Eurocopter is the frontrunner over Sikorsky because it has already teamed with HAL to offer the EC725 in response to the navy’s tender and the duo is also planning joint bids for other Indian helicopter acquisition prog
check out this link:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/05/30/Navigation/177/206956/EC725,+NH90+S-70B+and+MH-60R+in+frame+as+Indian+navy+starts+hunt+for+anti-submarine+warfare.html
The Indian navy has begun evaluating four proposals for its anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter replacement requirement, writes Brendan Sobie.
Industry sources say bids have been submitted by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) offering the Eurocopter EC725, NH Industries the NH90, Sikorsky the S-70B and by the US Navy for the new Sikorsky-built, Lockheed Martin integrated MH-60R.
The Indian navy is looking to replace its ageing Westland Sea King fleet, which when delivered in the 1980s consisted of over 40 aircraft, and initially plans to acquire 16 replacements and take eight options. The navy will conduct field evaluations after finishing technical evaluations, but the manufacturers have not yet been provided with a schedule for site visits. A contract could be signed as early as next year, but sources say the navy may opt to delay the acquisition and instead buy a proposed 10t indigenous helicopter from HAL.
The Indian manufacturer plans to select a foreign company to help it launch a five-year indigenous development or co-development programme. Sources say Eurocopter and Sikorsky are now preparing proposals, which will be submitted to HAL around mid-year. Sources say Bell also met with HAL earlier this year to discuss co-developing a new helicopter that would have expanded Bell’s portfolio into the 10t category, but the US manufacturer has decided against submitting a bid.
AgustaWestland, which did not respond to the navy’s tender because its EH101 is too large for the requirement, is also unlikely to submit a bid for the HAL project.
Sources say Eurocopter is the frontrunner over Sikorsky because it has already teamed with HAL to offer the EC725 in response to the navy’s tender and the duo is also planning joint bids for other Indian helicopter acquisition prog
dabrownguy
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What kind of torpedoes? The ones on Delhi, Rajput, Talway etc.. are 533 mm's. Did you want bigger ones?
among indigenous torpedoes indian navy has indigenously designed nstl long range thermal torpedo and the shneya light weight digital torpedo (based on an italian design).zoolander said:
the indian navy also uses russian torpedos for its capital warships and submarines ,these torpedos are type 53-65 passive wake homin torpedos
(range 19kms at 45knots and capable of carrying a 305kg warhead),type 71-76 active/passive homing torpedos(this is an anti submarine torpedo having a range of 15kms at 45 knots and 20kms @25knots with a 200kgs warhead).
they have recently acquired from russia( test 71-me-nk torpedos ,weight 1820kgs,200kgs warhead and range of 20kms @40knots).
these three types are used on the type 636 kilo class submarines here check out this link:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Sindhugosh.html
the hdw type-209 class of submarines of the indian navy use : aeg-sut mod1 wire guided active/passive homin torpedo(250kms warhead ,range 28kms at 23 knots)
here is the link:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Shishumar.html
recently as per the scorpene deal indian has purchased the wass black shark torpedo (amongst the most modern torpedos it has a range of 50kms @ 50knots) ,india has also decided to acquire with tot the wass mu-90 eurotorp (though i dont know the status of this deal).
here is the link:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Project75.html
the indian naval air arm uses the following air launched torpedos:
indian navy sea king helicopters use- whithead a244s torpedos and the russian apr-2 torpedos.
though the naval bombers can also use torpedos ,i do not have any information about them.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Seaking.html
indian surface warships use the following torpedos as well as anti submarine rockets:
type 15 delhi class(ss-n -15 and ss-n-16 anti ship/anti submarine missiles and the rbu6000 anti-submarine rockets)
here are the links:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ss-n-16.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ss-n-15.htm
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/RBU-6000.html
the rajput or the kashin2 class are equipped with the set65e and type53-65e torpedos and rbu6000 rockets .
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Rajput.html
the talwar class frigates also use the same torpedos and rockets as the above two.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Talwar.html
the brahmaputra class use the whitehead a244s anti submarine torpedo as well as its locally produced version ,the aet.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Brahmaputra.html
the godavari class use the a244s as well its indian version the nst58.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Godavari.html
it is believed that the indian navy's p17 a vessel uses the rbu6000 rocket launchers capable of firing the 90r anti submarine missiles and the 91r e2 missile can also be used for the anti submarine purposes (a variant of the klub cruise missiles carrying a torpedo in place of a warhead).
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Project17.html
there have also been reports that kazhakistan has offered india joint development of two types of next generation torpedos called as the krazy and the kinzhald ,no information is available regarding these torpedos except that they are unique and are intended to replace all the older russian torpedos and that the indian navy is realy interested in them.
here is some additional information on the indigenous torpedo projects ,the heavy weight torpedos are known as the (thermal torpedo-thakshak),heavy weight torpedo -varunastra).
here is the link:
http://drdo.org/labs/nr&d/nstl/achieve.shtml
India : India is known to use HWT in all its Destroyers(Delhi, Rajput class ) as well as in its Kilo class Submarine , The Standard Wire Guided heavy weight used by the Russian and Indian Navy is the Test-71 and its Test-96( Test = Teleupravlyayannaya Torpedo or tele guided torpedo ) . The current version is the Test-71M and the Export version sold with Project 887 Kilo Type SSK is the Test-71ME, It searches at 24 Knots accelerating at 40 Knots in the Attack Phase and has a range of 15 to 20 km .Its seeker can be shut down to evade decoys . The Utest –71E is the Test-71ME with the Wake Homing added . The successor to the Test-71 is called the Ugst or Udwt and has a thermal engine running on a monopropellant ,similar to Mk 48 or Spearfish. India is also Know to be in the Process or Already has reverse engineered the Type-53cm Wake Homer Torpedoes with Ukranian/Russian help , The Type –53 cm is known to have a speed of more than 50 Knots and a range between 20-25Km .
check out this link ,it contains information about all types of torpedos currently available in the world (an excellent reference material)
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE3-4/joseph.html
here are some more articles on the indigenous torpedo.
http://www.blonnet.com/2003/03/08/stories/2003030802250500.htm
this article contains information of an indigenous submersibel:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/04/29/stories/2006042902102100.htm
here is some info on the indigenous light weight torpedo :
The lightweight torpedo is 2-3-metre-long and 200kg in weight. It has a range of 6-8km. The heavyweight torpedo is 6-8-metres-long and has a weight of 1,500-2,000kg and a range of 20-30km. It can move at a speed of 40 nautical miles.
http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/72-19430.asp
so india is not short of weapons,it is the platforms that bother them.
here is the link:
http://drdo.org/labs/nr&d/nstl/achieve.shtml
India : India is known to use HWT in all its Destroyers(Delhi, Rajput class ) as well as in its Kilo class Submarine , The Standard Wire Guided heavy weight used by the Russian and Indian Navy is the Test-71 and its Test-96( Test = Teleupravlyayannaya Torpedo or tele guided torpedo ) . The current version is the Test-71M and the Export version sold with Project 887 Kilo Type SSK is the Test-71ME, It searches at 24 Knots accelerating at 40 Knots in the Attack Phase and has a range of 15 to 20 km .Its seeker can be shut down to evade decoys . The Utest –71E is the Test-71ME with the Wake Homing added . The successor to the Test-71 is called the Ugst or Udwt and has a thermal engine running on a monopropellant ,similar to Mk 48 or Spearfish. India is also Know to be in the Process or Already has reverse engineered the Type-53cm Wake Homer Torpedoes with Ukranian/Russian help , The Type –53 cm is known to have a speed of more than 50 Knots and a range between 20-25Km .
check out this link ,it contains information about all types of torpedos currently available in the world (an excellent reference material)
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE3-4/joseph.html
here are some more articles on the indigenous torpedo.
http://www.blonnet.com/2003/03/08/stories/2003030802250500.htm
this article contains information of an indigenous submersibel:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/04/29/stories/2006042902102100.htm
here is some info on the indigenous light weight torpedo :
The lightweight torpedo is 2-3-metre-long and 200kg in weight. It has a range of 6-8km. The heavyweight torpedo is 6-8-metres-long and has a weight of 1,500-2,000kg and a range of 20-30km. It can move at a speed of 40 nautical miles.
http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/72-19430.asp
so india is not short of weapons,it is the platforms that bother them.
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hey guys seems that the indian navy will acquire 3 more krivak class of stealth warships ,to supplement the three already in service under a 3000 crore ruppees deal.
heer check out this link:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/08/stories/2006060800032500.htm
Navy completes talks for stealth frigates
Special Correspondent
Deal closed for approximately Rs. 3,000 crore
NEW DELHI: The Navy has completed price negotiations for a major defence import deal aimed at checking the erosion of its force levels.
Having wrapped up the deal for approximately Rs. 3,000 crore, the proposal for purchasing three `Talwar' class stealth frigates from Russia would be put up to the Cabinet Committee on Security for approval. The Navy already has three such frigates that were inducted in 2003 and 2004. They were the first to have some stealth technology to enable detection from enemy radars. The second lot of Talwar class frigates too will have some firsts to its credit. These will be the first brand new platforms to be fitted with the India-Russian cruise missile Brahmos. As was the case with the three commissioned Talwar class frigates, the new ones will also have Indian components. In addition to communication and electric warfare suites, the new boats could also have an indigenous air defence system replacing the Russian Kashtan.
the interesting part is about the indigenous anti air system replacing the kashtan.
heer check out this link:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/08/stories/2006060800032500.htm
Navy completes talks for stealth frigates
Special Correspondent
Deal closed for approximately Rs. 3,000 crore
NEW DELHI: The Navy has completed price negotiations for a major defence import deal aimed at checking the erosion of its force levels.
Having wrapped up the deal for approximately Rs. 3,000 crore, the proposal for purchasing three `Talwar' class stealth frigates from Russia would be put up to the Cabinet Committee on Security for approval. The Navy already has three such frigates that were inducted in 2003 and 2004. They were the first to have some stealth technology to enable detection from enemy radars. The second lot of Talwar class frigates too will have some firsts to its credit. These will be the first brand new platforms to be fitted with the India-Russian cruise missile Brahmos. As was the case with the three commissioned Talwar class frigates, the new ones will also have Indian components. In addition to communication and electric warfare suites, the new boats could also have an indigenous air defence system replacing the Russian Kashtan.
the interesting part is about the indigenous anti air system replacing the kashtan.
hey guys heer is the article about the airbus a319 mpa variant being offered to the indian navy along with an image published in the flight international magazine.
here check out this link:
http://www.flightglobal.com
here check out this link:
http://www.flightglobal.com
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