Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion

[suryaaa]

well guys seems that the navy is lookig at its own hawk,the goshawk,by the way is the goshawk capable of operating from the carriers,can anyone provide some information on it?

here check out this link:

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=126504

NEW DELHI, MAY 9: The lack of momentum on the Indo-US civil nuclear agreement has failed to deter American defence manufacturers from wooing the Indian defence force.
According to sources, it is understood that a large delegation from Boeing is arriving in New Delhi later this month to explore opportunities for offering T-45 goshawk to the indian navy.

why navy is going for T-45 Goshawk its only a naval version of hawk,then why going for the same ac.

isnt there any other better a/c

 

[gf0012-aust]

why navy is going for T-45 Goshawk its only a naval version of hawk,then why going for the same ac.

isnt there any other better a/c

Whats better? Its the only dedicated CATOBAR rated small jet trainer available.

If you look at the potential for improvements, then they are substantial. eg the RAAF Hawks are glassed as Hornets.

There is no reason why the Goshawks couldn't be glassed as SHornets either.

In real terms, if one wanted to start making educated guesses, what would a glassed in Goshawk imply?

 

[suryaaa]

In real terms, if one wanted to start making educated guesses, what would a glassed in Goshawk imply?

can you make it clear please .

what about russian yak-130.

russia is going to induct 300 yak-130 to their squad.

and my question was is hawk the only trainer around.

india at present doen't need this [ CATOBAR ] feature because we dont have any aircraftcarieer with that system.

 

[gf0012-aust]

can you make it clear please .

Go back and read my response again - I'm trying to be subtle.

what about russian yak-130.

what about it? platforms are purchased based on requirements. Define the requirements and then you start to narrow down the platform choices

russia is going to induct 300 yak-130 to their squad.

and this has what to do with the IN requirements?

and my question was is hawk the only trainer around.

See above. It's a requirements driven issue. You don't purchase platforms based on whats available - you select them based on what fits your need.

india at present doen't need this [ CATOBAR ] feature because we dont have any aircraftcarieer with that system.

See above. Why would India even begin to think about looking at Goshawks when they have Hawks which are non CATOBAR Lead in Fighters? Are you suggesting then that the IN have no idea what they need due to current platform requirements? Who says they don't need it unless there is a bigger picture under consideration. The mere fact that they are prepared to look is significant. Again, add up the reasons and there is a bigger consideration and requirement that has obviously caused an attitude shift.

The answer lies in the question. Either IN is doing some serious consideration about future platform mix, or they are making some huge timewasting evaluations for no ones benefit. Tender evaluation teams don't like wasting time (in my exp) - so that means that the mere consideration of the Goshawk should cause more questions to be asked.

 

[powerslavenegi]

When?

from what i have read in the media reports,yes the reactor has been land tested and fitted in the hull,now the remaining work has to be done.

Hey When was the Keel laid? I mean until recently the project was on paper

 

[suryaaa]

Under project 75 india will built 12 sub

6-scorpene sub deal where inked under this project.

for remaining 6 subs there is two contenter's

1]amur
2]212hdw.

i have compared the spec's of amur and scorpene both resembles to an extend.

but hdw remains diff IN that comparison.

so my question is which one will in go for.

 

[mukunda]

Whats better? Its the only dedicated CATOBAR rated small jet trainer available.

If you look at the potential for improvements, then they are substantial. eg the RAAF Hawks are glassed as Hornets.

Hi gary,
could not understand what you mean? Your responses are extremely technical in nature. Kindly can you be more earthly? Can you please elaborate what you mean by "eg the RAAF Hawks are glassed as Hornets."

There is no reason why the Goshawks couldn't be glassed as SHornets either.

again what does this mean , imply

In real terms, if one wanted to start making educated guesses, what would a glassed in Goshawk imply?

you haven't replied to my email .

 

[Supe]

Hi gary,
could not understand what you mean? Your responses are extremely technical in nature. Kindly can you be more earthly? Can you please elaborate what you mean by "eg the RAAF Hawks are glassed as Hornets."

I think GF is referring to the cockpit of the RAAF Hawk as being fundamentally the same as the Hornet, allowing easier transition of trainee pilot from Hawk to Hornet.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I think GF is referring to the cockpit of the RAAF Hawk as being fundamentally the same as the Hornet, allowing easier transition of trainee pilot from Hawk to Hornet.

apols, I forgot about this post in the queue of ones I was supposed to respond to.

Supe is correct. The Oz Hawks are "Lead in Fighters". The cockpits were modified to have a cockpit layout similar to the Hornets so as to make transitioning easier. a "mini hornet" for want of a better term.

 

[gf0012-aust]

you haven't replied to my email .

that means that you've been burned by the SPAM filter. I don't normally give out my email address - so the mail filters would automatically dump anything that didn't meet green flag filters.

 

[gf0012-aust]

india at present doen't need this [ CATOBAR ] feature because we dont have any aircraftcarieer with that system.

Do any of the Indian posters on here seriously think that India never spoke to Russia about the old plans for Ul'yanovsk?

think about it.

• why even look at Goshawks when you have Hawks
• what is it that Goshawks provide over and above a Hawk (it aint that hard folks!)
• Indias ADS is based on what platform?
• The Ul'yanovsk used nuke power and was a CATOBAR carrier
• Why would India even remotely consider Hornets unless they thought that they were a good naval fit on an indigenous CATOBAR carrier
• The French initially were going to get Hornets - in fact there is one Fr Admiral who specifically said it was the carrier aircraft that they should have got to replace the Crusader. The only two modern "real" carrier navies are the US and France. Who are you going to look at for carrier ops and experience. Certainly it is NOT the Russians. They lost the opportunity when the cutters got busy in 1992.
• CATOBAR carrier airwings provide real depth of field, time on target, air wing on target and persistence issues over a STOBAR carrier

Its important to look at the thiniking involved and the theoretical platorm opportunities. In this case, it shows that someone in IN obviously has considered a different projection and persistence model. The fact that they are looking at trainers, means that this is also being looked at from a "cradle to grave" evolution.

If you start getting IN uniforms visiting their "local NAS" and or getting house visits on USN/USMC wing elements, then I'd be getting even more curious.

 

[Big-E]

Do any of the Indian posters on here seriously think that India never spoke to Russia about the old plans for Ul'yanovsk?

think about it.

• why even look at Goshawks when you have Hawks
• what is it that Goshawks provide over and above a Hawk (it aint that hard folks!)
• Indias ADS is based on what platform?
• The Ul'yanovsk used nuke power and was a CATOBAR carrier
• Why would India even remotely consider Hornets unless they thought that they were a good naval fit on an indigenous CATOBAR carrier
• The French initially were going to get Hornets - in fact there is one Fr Admiral who specifically said it was the carrier aircraft that they should have got to replace the Crusader. The only two modern "real" carrier navies are the US and France. Who are you going to look at for carrier ops and experience. Certainly it is NOT the Russians. They lost the opportunity when the cutters got busy in 1992.
• CATOBAR carrier airwings provide real depth of field, time on target, air wing on target and persistence issues over a STOBAR carrier

Its important to look at the thiniking involved and the theoretical platorm opportunities. In this case, it shows that someone in IN obviously has considered a different projection and persistence model. The fact that they are looking at trainers, means that this is also being looked at from a "cradle to grave" evolution.

If you start getting IN uniforms visiting their "local NAS" and or getting house visits on USN/USMC wing elements, then I'd be getting even more curious.

Now I'm confused. I thought the IN was going with MIG-29s for the ADS and the Gorshkov refit. Are they getting Super Bugs instead? I haven't seen any IN reps at SWATLANT bases FYI.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Now I'm confused. I thought the IN was going with MIG-29s for the ADS and the Gorshkov refit. Are they getting Super Bugs instead? I haven't seen any IN reps at SWATLANT bases FYI.

I'm just revving up the discussion by throwing in a few curves..

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys seems that indian navy's eastern naval command will now acquire a new naval base comparable to the karwar,this must be the rumored rambilli -gangavaram naval base.

Another naval base in the offing

Staff Reporter
A base in 5,000 acres south of Visakhapatnam is being looked into, says chief

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MORE PUNCH: Admiral Arun Prakash, Chief of Naval Staff, reviewing a parade at an investiture ceremony held at INS Circar grounds in Visakhapatnam on Wednesday. Vice-Admiral Sureesh Mehta, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Eastern Naval Command, is at his right.— Photo: C.V. Subrahmanyam


VISAKHAPATNAM: The Navy is in the process of taking possession of 5,000 acres near Visakhapatnam for developing an additional naval base in the Eastern Naval Command.
Confirming this during a chat with reporters here on Wednesday, Admiral Arun Prakash, Chief of Naval Staff, said they were looking towards the south of Visakhapatnam for the new base as the existing one had become crowded.
``We have a narrow entrance to the port. Hence, we want to build the base, south of Visakhapatnam with all the required infrastructure. The response from the Andhra Pradesh Government is very positive,'' he stated.
The Chief of Navy said negotiations were on in the process for the relocation of the villagers and payment of compensation to them as part of rehabilitation and resettlement policy.
Navy's submarine arm headquarters and marine commandos training centre are located in Visakhapatnam.
Blue water Navy

Admiral Arun Prakash said they had prepared a roadmap to develop a true blue water Navy by 2015 with two aircraft carriers, escorting ships and advanced capability in anti-aircraft, submarine and amphibious capability.
He said plans were in place for next 15 years including some short-term plans to augment the capacity of the Navy. The Government had also accorded in-principle clearance to the proposals. "We are very happy that the Navy has been given 17.5 per cent of Defence budget which is quite adequate,'' he remarked.

here check out this link:
http://www.hindu.com

 

[suryaaa]

guys what is the current status of seabird is it complete .i heard about its first phase was on track a year befor.:fly


i have one basic question ,actualy what can we expect in such bases ,i mean will their be comand centre for all wing's of armed forces,will their be nuclear
comand centre................

 

[vrus]

Umm. What is this seabird you are talking about ?

I don't think the nuclear command centre will be on the shore. It will probably be just to serve as a dock for some more navy ships. That's what I think.

 

[suryaaa]

Umm. What is this seabird you are talking about ?

I don't think the nuclear command centre will be on the shore. It will probably be just to serve as a dock for some more navy ships. That's what I think.

buddy sea bird is an integrated strategic naval base which indian navy is constructing at Karwar in Karnataka.it will be the biggest base and one which is away from comercial ports.first phase of this base has already begun.current status i dont know

here is the link

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Articles/Article18.html

 

[aaaditya]

buddy sea bird is an integrated strategic naval base which indian navy is constructing at Karwar in Karnataka.it will be the biggest base and one which is away from comercial ports.first phase of this base has already begun.current status i dont know

here is the link

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Articles/Article18.html

the first phase has already been completed and the base is operational,the second and third phase are still going on.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys here is an interesting news article,seems that france and india will jointly operate in the persian gulf,by the way guys does france have any naval base in the persian gulf or of the coast of africa.

here chack out this link:

http://www.indiareacts.com/nati2.asp?recno=3672

Indo-French naval presence in Gulf likely

25 May 2006: France is actively considering an option to jointly deploy its navy with India’s in the Persian Gulf by early next year and is keen to sign a special agreement by October.

France is looking for an Asian partner to increase its presence in the Persian Gulf and it plans to conduct anti-terrorism sea patrols with India.

India has shown interest about the proposal but is yet to give consent on the parameters of joint tasking.

The French proposal suggests that long distance sea patrols can start from the Gulf of Aden and end at its islands on the African coast.

The French navy has already agreed to experimentally deploy a joint patrol team with the Indian Navy this year.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Has the Andomans been fully restored to operational levels?