Their not... I think this lease is saying that the ATV is having more difficulties than expected. If they were on schedule a 10yr lease would not be necessary. I imagine getting that big reactor into the tiny ATV is proving a bit of a challange. If they would just scrap ATV and go with the Russian design she would be ready today.aaaditya said:
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Well now that India is a recognized nuclear power and that even the US has stopped sanctions of any kind, I guess Russia wouldn't run into big trouble if it sold SSNs to India. One day it may even be the US that does it, as bilateral relations are improving at light speed...aaaditya said:
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no russia cant. Not even US can without breaking the treaties it has signed. any nuclear supply to india is barred as NSG (nuclear suppliers group) supply to only NPT signatories..Even in that case i dont think its allowed to supply any military nuclear equipment.contedicavour said:
russia cannot sell nuclear subs to india as it is a part of NSG. but why this issue is getting a lot of heat is because it doesnt state about lease of nuclear equipments. For instance there was a plan put forward by russians for supply of nuclear civil reactors to india by saying that its just a lease of reactors.. but since no lease of any kind of nucelar equipment has been done by a NSG member to a non NPT signatory its only a possibility that we can get a lease..( at least theres a little chance)
but its quite difficult because it opens doors for chineese/other nuclear submarines to paksitan, north korea,iran lybia etc.. etc.. do you really think it would be possible
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Very interesting remarks, thanks.ajaybhutani said:
So India will have to develop its own reactors to fit aboard submarines, no alternative way exists.
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hey guys great news seems that indian navy will acquire 3 new krivack class frigates additional klub missiles and will upgrade 6 more kilo class of submarines.
here check out this link:
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73
CCS approves purchase of warships, missiles for Navy
NEW DELHI, JULY 6 (PTI)
In a move aimed at bolstering the Navy's fighting potential, the Cabinet Committee on Security today approved the purchase of three more Russian stealth warships and 28 submarine-fired cruise missiles.
The three Russian Krivak-class frigates would be acquired at a cost of Rs 5114 crores. The first one would be delivered five years after the signing of the contract and the subsequent two within 12 months after the delivery of the first warship, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told newsmen after a meeting of Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
Mukherjee said the purchase of the three Russian frigates was a follow-up order to the purchase of three of the same type of warships in the late 1990s. Indian Navy has already inducted three Krivak-class warships that were re-christened Talwar-class.
He said CCS has also approved earmarking of another Rs 400 crores for "certain other equipment" for these stealth warships.
Though, he did not elaborate, highly placed sources said the funds would be used for fitting the new frigates with BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.
India had purchased the initial three Russian frigates at a cost of over Rs 3,000 crore. It would now be shelling out Rs 5,114 crore for the new warships.
The CCS also approved the purchase of 28 submarine-launched KLUB land attack cruise missiles to arm its Russian acquired kilo-class submarines.
In a deal worth over Rs 844.5 crore, these missiles would be fitted in six upgraded submarines already bought by India, Mukherjee said. Two of the submarines would be fitted with the missiles in Russia while the other four would be equipped with the cruise missiles in India. He also said that the CCS has approved an additional sum of Rs 20 crore for meeting security-related expenses of Jammu and Kashmir and North Eastern states.
here check out this link:
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73
CCS approves purchase of warships, missiles for Navy
NEW DELHI, JULY 6 (PTI)
In a move aimed at bolstering the Navy's fighting potential, the Cabinet Committee on Security today approved the purchase of three more Russian stealth warships and 28 submarine-fired cruise missiles.
The three Russian Krivak-class frigates would be acquired at a cost of Rs 5114 crores. The first one would be delivered five years after the signing of the contract and the subsequent two within 12 months after the delivery of the first warship, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told newsmen after a meeting of Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
Mukherjee said the purchase of the three Russian frigates was a follow-up order to the purchase of three of the same type of warships in the late 1990s. Indian Navy has already inducted three Krivak-class warships that were re-christened Talwar-class.
He said CCS has also approved earmarking of another Rs 400 crores for "certain other equipment" for these stealth warships.
Though, he did not elaborate, highly placed sources said the funds would be used for fitting the new frigates with BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.
India had purchased the initial three Russian frigates at a cost of over Rs 3,000 crore. It would now be shelling out Rs 5,114 crore for the new warships.
The CCS also approved the purchase of 28 submarine-launched KLUB land attack cruise missiles to arm its Russian acquired kilo-class submarines.
In a deal worth over Rs 844.5 crore, these missiles would be fitted in six upgraded submarines already bought by India, Mukherjee said. Two of the submarines would be fitted with the missiles in Russia while the other four would be equipped with the cruise missiles in India. He also said that the CCS has approved an additional sum of Rs 20 crore for meeting security-related expenses of Jammu and Kashmir and North Eastern states.
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actually the hull design has been finalised,the problem of the reactor containment vessel is claimed to be solved albeit with the russian assistance.Big-E said:
the reactor has been successfully tested at kalpakkam ,currently integration work is going on,the submarine is expected to be launched late next year.
hey guys seems that the indian cost guard is on an expansion mode.
here check out this link:
http://newstodaynet.com/06jul/rf13.htm
The Indian Coast Guard will acquire 13 vessels of varying sizes and purpose in the future in a bid to contain maritime crime and pollution. Also, four Coast Guard stations - three in Gujarat and one in Maharashtra would be set up soon at a cost of Rs 300 crore.
Announcing this to mediapersons on board the Coast Guard ship 'Sarang' after a joint exercise with the Korean Coast Guard off Chennai yesterday, Inspector General Rajendra Singh, Commander, Coast Guard Region (East), said the Coast Guard would receive its first ship fitted with an oil disperser by the end of this year, which would help fight pollution.
To a question on the situation prevailing in Sri Lanka, Singh replied that even as the influx of refugees from Sri Lanka had risen to about 4,800, there were no terrorists among them. He said the Coast Guard deployed three of its ships on round-the-clock duty in the Palk Bay.
Speaking about the joint exercise between India and Korea, Indian Coast Guard DIG S P Sharma said senior officials from both sides had learnt a lot from each other and described the exercises as successful.
He said the two countries had agreed to cooperate in search and rescue operations, combating marine pollution and trans-national crimes, exchange of information on rogue vessels, persons and suspects. The Korean Coast Guard Director General of Intelligence and Investigation, Cho In Hyun said the two countries would draw up a standardised procedure manual to be followed by Coast Guard vessels of both countries during operations which would help both countries during times of actual operations.
here check out this link:
http://newstodaynet.com/06jul/rf13.htm
The Indian Coast Guard will acquire 13 vessels of varying sizes and purpose in the future in a bid to contain maritime crime and pollution. Also, four Coast Guard stations - three in Gujarat and one in Maharashtra would be set up soon at a cost of Rs 300 crore.
Announcing this to mediapersons on board the Coast Guard ship 'Sarang' after a joint exercise with the Korean Coast Guard off Chennai yesterday, Inspector General Rajendra Singh, Commander, Coast Guard Region (East), said the Coast Guard would receive its first ship fitted with an oil disperser by the end of this year, which would help fight pollution.
To a question on the situation prevailing in Sri Lanka, Singh replied that even as the influx of refugees from Sri Lanka had risen to about 4,800, there were no terrorists among them. He said the Coast Guard deployed three of its ships on round-the-clock duty in the Palk Bay.
Speaking about the joint exercise between India and Korea, Indian Coast Guard DIG S P Sharma said senior officials from both sides had learnt a lot from each other and described the exercises as successful.
He said the two countries had agreed to cooperate in search and rescue operations, combating marine pollution and trans-national crimes, exchange of information on rogue vessels, persons and suspects. The Korean Coast Guard Director General of Intelligence and Investigation, Cho In Hyun said the two countries would draw up a standardised procedure manual to be followed by Coast Guard vessels of both countries during operations which would help both countries during times of actual operations.
here is a possible candidate,this optronics mast is used on the royal navy's astute class of submarines.
check out this link:
http://www.thalesgroup-optronics.com/dos/products/naval/details/opmast.shtml
check out this link:
http://www.thalesgroup-optronics.com/dos/products/naval/details/opmast.shtml
Possible candidate for what? I haven't seen anything in the IN proposals or discussions about using photonics/optronics. It would also mean a major redesign of the subs layout and combat system if it was going to be used to maximum benefit.aaaditya said:
i have recently come to know that dcn is likely to offer india joint development of its smx21 submarine project as a rival to the russo-italian project based on the amur class for india's second submarine line.gf0012-aust said:
would you have any information on this submarine design?
by the way the thales optronics mast can be installed during a refit on the existing submarines,the atv being a relatively new design should be relatively easier to modify for the use of the thales optronics mast.
here is the article and the link:
Thales UK offers to sell sub-systems for India's N-subs
A K DHAR GLASGOW, JULY 9 (PTI)
British defence majors are expressing readiness to export frontline weapons technology to India and 'Thales UK' has even offered to sell some critical sub-systems for New Delhi's top secret nuclear submarine project.
"Here we have developed a non-hull penetrating technology to remove cumbersome periscopes from submarines. And we are ready to offer this technology for India's upgraded Kilo class submarines and its Advanced Technology Vehicle (ATV)," Peter Mcbride, Director Naval exports of the company, told PTI.
Thales is making these non-penetrating hull masts here and Mcbride said these new systems comprised the futuristic submarine combat management area.
He said these hulls were now being installed in the US navy's Virgina class submarines and also being used for trials for future French Nuclear submarine.
"These new hulls give the submarines minimum exposure above water and also long-range engagement capability. These hulls can be fitted in submarines with displacements ranging from 50 to 16,000 tonnes," he said. The Thales offer indicates that Defence Research and Development Organisation and Naval design bureau have made the crucial breakthrough on the ATV. According to reports, defence scientists have finally been able to fit a nuclear power plant on the hull of the indegenious nuclear submarine.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73
Thales UK offers to sell sub-systems for India's N-subs
A K DHAR GLASGOW, JULY 9 (PTI)
British defence majors are expressing readiness to export frontline weapons technology to India and 'Thales UK' has even offered to sell some critical sub-systems for New Delhi's top secret nuclear submarine project.
"Here we have developed a non-hull penetrating technology to remove cumbersome periscopes from submarines. And we are ready to offer this technology for India's upgraded Kilo class submarines and its Advanced Technology Vehicle (ATV)," Peter Mcbride, Director Naval exports of the company, told PTI.
Thales is making these non-penetrating hull masts here and Mcbride said these new systems comprised the futuristic submarine combat management area.
He said these hulls were now being installed in the US navy's Virgina class submarines and also being used for trials for future French Nuclear submarine.
"These new hulls give the submarines minimum exposure above water and also long-range engagement capability. These hulls can be fitted in submarines with displacements ranging from 50 to 16,000 tonnes," he said. The Thales offer indicates that Defence Research and Development Organisation and Naval design bureau have made the crucial breakthrough on the ATV. According to reports, defence scientists have finally been able to fit a nuclear power plant on the hull of the indegenious nuclear submarine.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73
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I think you're missing the point - the advantage of photonics masts is that they allow the sub design and internal configuration to be redesigned and not along traditional designs.aaaditya said:
Of course you can retro fit it - but you're not maximising the benefits of the capability in the overall sub design - this is especially so on a 40-50 year old core design (which the Charlie Class are) and which has thus already been developed..
hey guys ins amba is to be retired,it is the end of an era for the indian navy.
here check out this link:
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEA20060715020437&Page=A&Title=Southern+News+-+Andhra+Pradesh&Topic=0
INS Amba to be decommissioned
Saturday July 15 2006 12:26 IST
VISAKHAPATNAM: Indian Naval Ship Amba, an Ugra class submarine depot ship, will be decommissioned at the Naval Base here tomorrow by Eastern Naval Command Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Vice-Admiral Sureesh Mehta.
INS Amba served the nation and Indian Navy for 38 years and is the last of the ships, which extensively participated in the 1971 war with Pakistan.
The decommissioning ceremony will see a traditional ‘pay off’ of the ship with the naval band playing the ‘last post’ and hauling down of the national flag, the naval ensign and the decommissioning pennant at sunset. A ‘Barakhana’ for the ships company will be held in the afternoon.
INS Amba was commissioned on 28 December 1968 by Capt MR Shuner at Odessa in the erstwhile USSR. Her major role as a submarine depot ship was to provide both operative and administrative support to the submarine squadron.
Amba was instrumental in extending the ‘sea-legs’ of the Indian Navy. With her intrinsic heavy duty repair bays, torpedo workshops, medical facilities and huge accommodation space, she enabled long deployments of submarines away from base ports, both in the Arabian sea and the Bay of Bengal.
here check out this link:
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEA20060715020437&Page=A&Title=Southern+News+-+Andhra+Pradesh&Topic=0
INS Amba to be decommissioned
Saturday July 15 2006 12:26 IST
VISAKHAPATNAM: Indian Naval Ship Amba, an Ugra class submarine depot ship, will be decommissioned at the Naval Base here tomorrow by Eastern Naval Command Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Vice-Admiral Sureesh Mehta.
INS Amba served the nation and Indian Navy for 38 years and is the last of the ships, which extensively participated in the 1971 war with Pakistan.
The decommissioning ceremony will see a traditional ‘pay off’ of the ship with the naval band playing the ‘last post’ and hauling down of the national flag, the naval ensign and the decommissioning pennant at sunset. A ‘Barakhana’ for the ships company will be held in the afternoon.
INS Amba was commissioned on 28 December 1968 by Capt MR Shuner at Odessa in the erstwhile USSR. Her major role as a submarine depot ship was to provide both operative and administrative support to the submarine squadron.
Amba was instrumental in extending the ‘sea-legs’ of the Indian Navy. With her intrinsic heavy duty repair bays, torpedo workshops, medical facilities and huge accommodation space, she enabled long deployments of submarines away from base ports, both in the Arabian sea and the Bay of Bengal.
Indian Navy eyes 100 aircraft: Admiral Arun Prakash
Some intresting comments by Admiral Arun Prakash about future plans for Navy's air wing, in particular about Boeing-737 P-8 MMA. However there is no plan for carrier based fixed wing AEW platform.
Indian navy
Some intresting comments by Admiral Arun Prakash about future plans for Navy's air wing, in particular about Boeing-737 P-8 MMA. However there is no plan for carrier based fixed wing AEW platform.
Indian navy
finally guys india and russia have signed the contract for 3 additional krivack class of stealth warships.
here check out this link:
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/19russia.htm
Russia to build 3 warships for India
July 19, 2006 00:48 IST
Russia will build three stealth warships for India under a Rs 5,514-contract signed in New Delhi on Tuesday.
The signing of the contract came nearly two weeks after the Cabinet Committee on Security approved the purchase of three more Russian stealth warships and 28 submarine-fired cruise missiles in a move aimed at bolstering the navy's fighting potential.
The three Russian Krivak-class frigates would be acquired at a cost of Rs 5,114 crores. The first one would be delivered five years after the signing of the contract and the subsequent two within 12 months after the delivery of the first warship, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told newsmen after a meeting of Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
Mukherjee said the purchase of the three Russian frigates was a follow-up order to the purchase of three of the same type of warships in the late 1990s.
Indian Navy has already inducted three Krivak-class warships that were re-christened Talwar-class.
here check out this link:
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/19russia.htm
Russia to build 3 warships for India
July 19, 2006 00:48 IST
Russia will build three stealth warships for India under a Rs 5,514-contract signed in New Delhi on Tuesday.
The signing of the contract came nearly two weeks after the Cabinet Committee on Security approved the purchase of three more Russian stealth warships and 28 submarine-fired cruise missiles in a move aimed at bolstering the navy's fighting potential.
The three Russian Krivak-class frigates would be acquired at a cost of Rs 5,114 crores. The first one would be delivered five years after the signing of the contract and the subsequent two within 12 months after the delivery of the first warship, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told newsmen after a meeting of Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
Mukherjee said the purchase of the three Russian frigates was a follow-up order to the purchase of three of the same type of warships in the late 1990s.
Indian Navy has already inducted three Krivak-class warships that were re-christened Talwar-class.
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