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swerve

Super Moderator
Not surprisingly, Canada has opened negotiations with Saab to acquire some GlobalEye jets. Saab should send Donald a thank you note for his sales assistance. :p

Canada negotiating to buy Saab's GlobalEye airborne early warning aircraft | CBC News
"Saab should send Donald a thank you note for his sales assistance."

Not just SAAB. Delivery delays for other US weapons due to Trump's adventures have led to other decisions to buy non-US kit. I think MBDA has benefited, for example, & Sabena has a contract for Global 6000/6500 conversions for Globaleye, because SAAB wanted to speed up deliveries. Potential customers were asking for it, though I imagine Bombardier would convert Canadian ones. SAAB's already offered that.

I think he's still well behind Putin as a salesman for European defence businesses, though.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
While I'm not disappointed with the choice of GlobalEye I didn't realize Canada had even put out a RFP or gone to Options Analysis Phase yet.
Not sure on the RFP and Option Analysis but Kegsbreath put the E-7 off the rails (albeit it might return) so delivery would suck and GlobalEye is a concession to Sweden wrt the Gripen bid because I can't see that happening unless Trump really pisses off Canadian public opinion to the point where Carney feels vulnerable to a full F-35 purchase. The F-35 is the best choice (at the very least should be the larger fleet makeup if not 100%) but Trump could $uck things up...he excels at that.
 

Vanquish

Active Member
Not sure on the RFP and Option Analysis but Kegsbreath put the E-7 off the rails (albeit it might return) so delivery would suck and GlobalEye is a concession to Sweden wrt the Gripen bid because I can't see that happening unless Trump really pisses off Canadian public opinion to the point where Carney feels vulnerable to a full F-35 purchase. The F-35 is the best choice (at the very least should be the larger fleet makeup if not 100%) but Trump could $uck things up...he excels at that.
I agree and the F-35 options will be fullfilled. Shame that TACO has made the choice so politically unpalatable.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
While I'm not disappointed with the choice of GlobalEye I didn't realize Canada had even put out a RFP or gone to Options Analysis Phase yet.
Canada received proposals for the E-7, Globaleye & the L3Harris Aeris X.

L3Harris's proposal was the same as that to South Korea, where it won, IAI EL/W-2085 radar on Bombardier Global 6500, so SAAB's Canadian platform wasn't the decisive factor. It looks to me as if all the contenders met the performance criteria, & two met the preference for Canadian content, but the final decision was made on other grounds. E-7 has been politically uncertain since Kegsbreath announced he didn't want it for the USAF, & Globaleye is already on order for two NATO air forces & appears to be the most likely choice for the joint NATO AEW fleet.

As for Options Analysis - apart from not buying air based AEW, what other options are there? E-2?

The Canadian government has had an AEW&C project for a while. It went from an aspiration to a funded project about a year ago, I think. The relevant web page currently says "Options Analysis Phase: In Progress" & "Date modified: 2025-12-01". The schedule laid out on that page is remarkably long, though. I think it's been accelerated. France chose Globaleye in August 2025, signed an order at the end of the year, & expects delivery of the first aircraft in 2029. Perhaps Canada can get it a similar timescale.

Airborne Early Warning & Control - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
 

J_Can

Member
Although I cannot disagree that the pure F35 is the smartest and most logical move. The power of the Quebec/ Ontario industrial lobby cannot be underestimated ever. I personal believe if CUSMA negotiations go off the rails or additional punitive tariffs are thrown Canada's way, then I would bet good money a mixed fleet will occur. Ukraine just announced the order of JAS-39C/D &E/F firm order. The aerospace lobby in Canada and the Canadian public writ large is still consumed by the Avro Arrow, and are starting to see the domestic build of Gripen as CF-139 Arrow II which is trouble all around.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Although I cannot disagree that the pure F35 is the smartest and most logical move. The power of the Quebec/ Ontario industrial lobby cannot be underestimated ever. I personal believe if CUSMA negotiations go off the rails or additional punitive tariffs are thrown Canada's way, then I would bet good money a mixed fleet will occur. Ukraine just announced the order of JAS-39C/D &E/F firm order. The aerospace lobby in Canada and the Canadian public writ large is still consumed by the Avro Arrow, and are starting to see the domestic build of Gripen as CF-139 Arrow II which is trouble all around.
Agree somewhat but I think Ontario’s industrial lobby isn’t really on the same page as Quebec (Doug the thug factor, Premier of Ontario, he’s not a fan of Quebec). IMHO, the only way a mixed fleet happens is if Trump totally pisses off the government and the Canadian electorate, not an impossible event. Militarily a disappointing outcome but one that I could accept as current IOTUS is a PITA and the subsequent leadership won’t be any better, just my two cents.
 

ACpilot

New Member
I just watched a CDA podcast interview of Major General Colin Keiver (former deputy Commander of the RCAF and Squadron mate of mine). He mentioned that Steve Fuhr (Secretary of State for Defence Procurement) told him at the CANSEC show that the Canadian version of GlobalEye will have a different and improved capability radar (possibly extending from 300 to 360 degree coverage) as well as investigating the possibility of adding an air refuelling capability to the aircraft. This is the version that is being proposed to be manufactured in Canada for the RCAF and future NATO customers.
 

Terran

Well-Known Member
Agree somewhat but I think Ontario’s industrial lobby isn’t really on the same page as Quebec (Doug the thug factor, Premier of Ontario, he’s not a fan of Quebec). IMHO, the only way a mixed fleet happens is if Trump totally pisses off the government and the Canadian electorate, not an impossible event. Militarily a disappointing outcome but one that I could accept as current IOTUS is a PITA and the subsequent leadership won’t be any better, just my two cents.
The Grippen conundrum is that in the process of setting up manufacturing and build out of them they are basically shuffling jobs and funds from the F35 programs that are already in Canada. It gives a on paper spike in funding but ultimately it’s Peter to Paul but with a ton of waste for a huge step down in capability.
Well the “Canad-Eye” makes sense primarily because the Trump Admin screwed up in procurement of it when it tried to cancel E7A for the even more inferior E2 as a gap filler until Space based capability comes on line. This destabilized the Cost incentive of a large American buy price offset. Something that would have made it more attractive to NATO and Canada.

Curtailing the F35 Order farther means that the RCAF has spent billions preparing for a large F35 fleet that will go wasted as they then have to replace and reconfigure and purchase new tooling and equipment to support the Grippen. It’s not just the planes but everything around the planes is affected by such a shift. It’s why these deals are go big. It’s a total package.

As to the political. The US is clearly unhappy with the course of events. Well Trump did in turn violate USMCA and not engage the built in conflict resolution process. Though being blunt considering that the Process does not seem to have resolved the Dairy dispute either there should be a question of what good it is.
The Canadian Government doesn’t seem to have taken any steps to launch the dispute resolution process either. Making things worse is the push made by the PM to seemingly try and replace the US trade with Chinese. A huge potential security risk for both and NATO. Plus the logistics of it would be hilarious. It’s easier to ship back and forth between the US and Canada via Rail and Road than container shipping across the globe.
Well PM Carny was pitched as a “Trump Whisperer” he seems to be antagonizing him.
Something Trump will happily reciprocate. It seems like the Canadian government hasn’t really changed that much from your “Beloved” “Junior”.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Making things worse is the push made by the PM to seemingly try and replace the US trade with Chinese.
The goal is reduced trade with the US, not replacement of US trade. Trade opportunities for the future include expansion of trade with Europe, Asia Pacific, South America and India. Trade with continue with China just like other nations are doing including the US.

It’s easier to ship back and forth between the US and Canada via Rail and Road than container shipping across the globe.
Ocean shipping is cheap. As for US/CANADA rail and road, easier now but for how long? The IOTUS is holding up the opening of the Gordie Howe bridge claiming it doesn't have enough US content which is BS plus Canada paid for the bridge.


Well PM Carny was pitched as a “Trump Whisperer” he seems to be antagonizing him.
Something Trump will happily reciprocate. It seems like the Canadian government hasn’t really changed that much from your “Beloved” “Junior”.
Carney is no junior and as for antagonising Trump, that happens anytime he can't have things all his own way, a symptom of being a dumb C.
 
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