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swerve

Super Moderator
Not surprisingly, Canada has opened negotiations with Saab to acquire some GlobalEye jets. Saab should send Donald a thank you note for his sales assistance. :p

Canada negotiating to buy Saab's GlobalEye airborne early warning aircraft | CBC News
"Saab should send Donald a thank you note for his sales assistance."

Not just SAAB. Delivery delays for other US weapons due to Trump's adventures have led to other decisions to buy non-US kit. I think MBDA has benefited, for example, & Sabena has a contract for Global 6000/6500 conversions for Globaleye, because SAAB wanted to speed up deliveries. Potential customers were asking for it, though I imagine Bombardier would convert Canadian ones. SAAB's already offered that.

I think he's still well behind Putin as a salesman for European defence businesses, though.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
While I'm not disappointed with the choice of GlobalEye I didn't realize Canada had even put out a RFP or gone to Options Analysis Phase yet.
Not sure on the RFP and Option Analysis but Kegsbreath put the E-7 off the rails (albeit it might return) so delivery would suck and GlobalEye is a concession to Sweden wrt the Gripen bid because I can't see that happening unless Trump really pisses off Canadian public opinion to the point where Carney feels vulnerable to a full F-35 purchase. The F-35 is the best choice (at the very least should be the larger fleet makeup if not 100%) but Trump could $uck things up...he excels at that.
 

Vanquish

Active Member
Not sure on the RFP and Option Analysis but Kegsbreath put the E-7 off the rails (albeit it might return) so delivery would suck and GlobalEye is a concession to Sweden wrt the Gripen bid because I can't see that happening unless Trump really pisses off Canadian public opinion to the point where Carney feels vulnerable to a full F-35 purchase. The F-35 is the best choice (at the very least should be the larger fleet makeup if not 100%) but Trump could $uck things up...he excels at that.
I agree and the F-35 options will be fullfilled. Shame that TACO has made the choice so politically unpalatable.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
While I'm not disappointed with the choice of GlobalEye I didn't realize Canada had even put out a RFP or gone to Options Analysis Phase yet.
Canada received proposals for the E-7, Globaleye & the L3Harris Aeris X.

L3Harris's proposal was the same as that to South Korea, where it won, IAI EL/W-2085 radar on Bombardier Global 6500, so SAAB's Canadian platform wasn't the decisive factor. It looks to me as if all the contenders met the performance criteria, & two met the preference for Canadian content, but the final decision was made on other grounds. E-7 has been politically uncertain since Kegsbreath announced he didn't want it for the USAF, & Globaleye is already on order for two NATO air forces & appears to be the most likely choice for the joint NATO AEW fleet.

As for Options Analysis - apart from not buying air based AEW, what other options are there? E-2?

The Canadian government has had an AEW&C project for a while. It went from an aspiration to a funded project about a year ago, I think. The relevant web page currently says "Options Analysis Phase: In Progress" & "Date modified: 2025-12-01". The schedule laid out on that page is remarkably long, though. I think it's been accelerated. France chose Globaleye in August 2025, signed an order at the end of the year, & expects delivery of the first aircraft in 2029. Perhaps Canada can get it a similar timescale.

Airborne Early Warning & Control - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
 

J_Can

Member
Although I cannot disagree that the pure F35 is the smartest and most logical move. The power of the Quebec/ Ontario industrial lobby cannot be underestimated ever. I personal believe if CUSMA negotiations go off the rails or additional punitive tariffs are thrown Canada's way, then I would bet good money a mixed fleet will occur. Ukraine just announced the order of JAS-39C/D &E/F firm order. The aerospace lobby in Canada and the Canadian public writ large is still consumed by the Avro Arrow, and are starting to see the domestic build of Gripen as CF-139 Arrow II which is trouble all around.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Although I cannot disagree that the pure F35 is the smartest and most logical move. The power of the Quebec/ Ontario industrial lobby cannot be underestimated ever. I personal believe if CUSMA negotiations go off the rails or additional punitive tariffs are thrown Canada's way, then I would bet good money a mixed fleet will occur. Ukraine just announced the order of JAS-39C/D &E/F firm order. The aerospace lobby in Canada and the Canadian public writ large is still consumed by the Avro Arrow, and are starting to see the domestic build of Gripen as CF-139 Arrow II which is trouble all around.
Agree somewhat but I think Ontario’s industrial lobby isn’t really on the same page as Quebec (Doug the thug factor, Premier of Ontario, he’s not a fan of Quebec). IMHO, the only way a mixed fleet happens is if Trump totally pisses off the government and the Canadian electorate, not an impossible event. Militarily a disappointing outcome but one that I could accept as current IOTUS is a PITA and the subsequent leadership won’t be any better, just my two cents.
 

ACpilot

New Member
I just watched a CDA podcast interview of Major General Colin Keiver (former deputy Commander of the RCAF and Squadron mate of mine). He mentioned that Steve Fuhr (Secretary of State for Defence Procurement) told him at the CANSEC show that the Canadian version of GlobalEye will have a different and improved capability radar (possibly extending from 300 to 360 degree coverage) as well as investigating the possibility of adding an air refuelling capability to the aircraft. This is the version that is being proposed to be manufactured in Canada for the RCAF and future NATO customers.
 

Terran

Well-Known Member
Agree somewhat but I think Ontario’s industrial lobby isn’t really on the same page as Quebec (Doug the thug factor, Premier of Ontario, he’s not a fan of Quebec). IMHO, the only way a mixed fleet happens is if Trump totally pisses off the government and the Canadian electorate, not an impossible event. Militarily a disappointing outcome but one that I could accept as current IOTUS is a PITA and the subsequent leadership won’t be any better, just my two cents.
The Grippen conundrum is that in the process of setting up manufacturing and build out of them they are basically shuffling jobs and funds from the F35 programs that are already in Canada. It gives a on paper spike in funding but ultimately it’s Peter to Paul but with a ton of waste for a huge step down in capability.
Well the “Canad-Eye” makes sense primarily because the Trump Admin screwed up in procurement of it when it tried to cancel E7A for the even more inferior E2 as a gap filler until Space based capability comes on line. This destabilized the Cost incentive of a large American buy price offset. Something that would have made it more attractive to NATO and Canada.

Curtailing the F35 Order farther means that the RCAF has spent billions preparing for a large F35 fleet that will go wasted as they then have to replace and reconfigure and purchase new tooling and equipment to support the Grippen. It’s not just the planes but everything around the planes is affected by such a shift. It’s why these deals are go big. It’s a total package.

As to the political. The US is clearly unhappy with the course of events. Well Trump did in turn violate USMCA and not engage the built in conflict resolution process. Though being blunt considering that the Process does not seem to have resolved the Dairy dispute either there should be a question of what good it is.
The Canadian Government doesn’t seem to have taken any steps to launch the dispute resolution process either. Making things worse is the push made by the PM to seemingly try and replace the US trade with Chinese. A huge potential security risk for both and NATO. Plus the logistics of it would be hilarious. It’s easier to ship back and forth between the US and Canada via Rail and Road than container shipping across the globe.
Well PM Carny was pitched as a “Trump Whisperer” he seems to be antagonizing him.
Something Trump will happily reciprocate. It seems like the Canadian government hasn’t really changed that much from your “Beloved” “Junior”.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Making things worse is the push made by the PM to seemingly try and replace the US trade with Chinese.
The goal is reduced trade with the US, not replacement of US trade. Trade opportunities for the future include expansion of trade with Europe, Asia Pacific, South America and India. Trade with continue with China just like other nations are doing including the US.

It’s easier to ship back and forth between the US and Canada via Rail and Road than container shipping across the globe.
Ocean shipping is cheap. As for US/CANADA rail and road, easier now but for how long? The IOTUS is holding up the opening of the Gordie Howe bridge claiming it doesn't have enough US content which is BS plus Canada paid for the bridge.


Well PM Carny was pitched as a “Trump Whisperer” he seems to be antagonizing him.
Something Trump will happily reciprocate. It seems like the Canadian government hasn’t really changed that much from your “Beloved” “Junior”.
Carney is no junior and as for antagonising Trump, that happens anytime he can't have things all his own way, a symptom of being a dumb C.
 
L3Harris seems unhappy with being blindsided around the Canadian Govt entering into talks with Saab over the GlobalEye.

Canada’s surprise plan to buy Saab command jets leaves competitors seeking answers - The Logic

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Mark Carney blindsided other potential suppliers when he announced Wednesday morning that Canada plans to buy new flying command centres from Saab, potentially handing the Swedish defence giant more than $5 billion in business without a bidding process.

Executives at L3Harris, a Florida-headquartered defence contractor that also offers “airborne early warning and control” (AEW&C, in military jargon) planes, learned what Carney was going to say just a few minutes before he took the stage at Cansec, the giant annual military trade show in Ottawa.

Canada secretly settled on Saab to supply six new command planes for the Royal Canadian Air Force, potentially giving the Swedish defence contractor $5 billion or more worth of business without a competition

Executives at L3Harris found out minutes before Prime Minister Mark Carney made the announcement Thursday, and told The Logic they had been building the case for their own jets in anticipation of a formal procurement

Richard Foster, the head of L3Harris’s Canadian subsidiary and a retired major-general who was deputy commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force, said he’d gotten wind that something was up, but knew nothing for sure.

“I did not sleep well last night,” he said hours after Carney’s announcement, in an open-topped conference room built into his company’s patch of the Cansec show floor. A display on one wall advertised L3Harris’s plane, called the Aeris X, which Foster and other L3Harris leaders were at the show partly to pitch

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“We expected a full competition,” said Jason Lambert, the Texas-based president of the company’s intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance division. “Not having a competition, I think it actually surprised not just L3Harris.”

Carney and the Liberal government have declared that they’re doing defence procurements differently as they rush to meet NATO spending targets and build up Canada’s military forces. That has included handing contracts to select companies without competitions, such as a nearly $3-million preliminary deal with MDA Space and Telesat that will almost certainly lead to a new multibillion-dollar satellite constellation for military communications.

MDA and Telesat are longtime pillars of the Canadian space industry; they have competitors, but not with their pedigrees. In the case of the AEW&C purchase, the government has picked a winner among foreign vendors, and there are unhappy losers.

Canada plans to buy about six of the planes, which are loaded with sensors and communications gear and serve as flying command centres.

Boeing was also promoting its early warning and command aircraft in Ottawa, parking a branded truck trailer with pop-out sides at the Cansec convention centre as a mobile display centre. When The Logic visited after Carney’s announcement, it was closed and unattended, and a roll-up sign in front of it had fallen face-down. Signs hung on two trailer doors said it would reopen at 1:30 p.m.; the time was 3:30 p.m. Boeing spokesperson Cynthia Waldmeier said by email that the trailer might have been closed because it was full.

The domestic benefits of the Saab offer were a key part of the government’s decision, Industry Minister Mélanie Joly said in an interview. Saab’s offering consists of aircraft bodies built by Bombardier in Toronto through the two companies’ GlobalEye program, then outfitted in Sweden. Saab says it will start making finished planes in Canada, including for other countries—40 or more jets—and support 3,000 domestic aerospace jobs.

“This is the essence of what we’re trying to do when thinking of what will be strategic partnerships,” Joly said. Discussions began with Saab at the major air show in Paris last June, she said, and carried on behind the scenes for months.

L3Harris has been talking to different parts of the Canadian government about the AEW&C business, Lambert said, including the air force, National Defence more broadly, Joly’s department and Public Services and Procurement.

L3Harris’s planes are also based on Bombardier jet bodies. Lambert said L3Harris has promised 1,100 new Canadian jobs if Canada buys the Aeris X, a figure he said has outside verification.

He also argued that L3Harris’s final planes are superior to Saab’s, using a different radar design that allows the Aeris to fly over 10,000 feet higher—“You want to be above the threat and be able to get a broader perspective and range,” he said—and survey 360 degrees at once.

The merits of different options would have been aired in a formal competition among different proposals, like the one Ottawa is running for submarines. (At Cansec, Carney promised a decision on that procurement by the end of June.)

The prime minister’s revelation on the AEW&C craft was only that Canada would negotiate exclusively with Saab, so there’s a chance the government will change its mind, and L3Harris will keep pressing.

“We’re still in discussions with the Canadian air force, as recently as just this afternoon, to talk about the aircraft,” Lambert said—that is, even after Carney’s announcement.

L3Harris might not have the brand recognition of Boeing or Lockheed Martin, but it’s a multibillion-dollar corporation that does a lot of business in Canada. Among other things, it won major contracts in March to support Canada’s CC-330 Husky transports; maintains numerous other Royal Canadian Air Force planes; and is part of the preparations for Lockheed Martin F-35 jets (which Saab is simultaneously trying to convince Canada not to buy).

Joly said in the interview that she’s not worried that potential vendors will be reluctant to deal with Canada if they feel ill-used by abrupt decisions: “To the contrary,” she said. “I’ve never seen so many European companies and American companies interested in becoming strategic partners.”
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
L3Harris seems unhappy with being blindsided around the Canadian Govt entering into talks with Saab over the GlobalEye.

Canada’s surprise plan to buy Saab command jets leaves competitors seeking answers - The Logic
L3Harris should go and $itch to IOTUS. Carney's choice to pacify the electorate was either $hitcan the F-35 in favour of the Gripen or buy GlobalEye as a consolation to Saab along with the continuing the F-35 order. If IOTUS doesn't STFU, Saab's order might increase at the expense of LM. Not a good outcome for the RCAF but understandable from a pollie POV. LM and L3Harris can be the initial members for a crying circle for defence vendors screwed by IOTUS. I can see the circle enlarging, especially if the US-Mexico-Canada trade talks go off the rails!
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I would welcome Canada having a fleet of 140+ fighters but I still find it exceedingly unlikely. The cost of maintaining, equipping and training pilots on two separate aircraft types just doesn't seem likely to happen. Yet the link to this story is from today not April 1st.

Well I believe the original Hornet fleet was 130+ jets so the number isn't totally off the rails. Two types adds to maintenance and training costs for sure but building Gripens in Canada offsets that somewhat and it lessens our dependence on an increasingly unreliable and questionable ally.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
Well I believe the original Hornet fleet was 130+ jets so the number isn't totally off the rails. Two types adds to maintenance and training costs for sure but building Gripens in Canada offsets that somewhat and it lessens our dependence on an increasingly unreliable and questionable ally.
Hate to rain on your parade (TBH I am okay with doing so...) but local assembly of E/F Gripens would not lessen Canadian dependence on the US, certainly not from an air combat and air defence perspective. Should the US choose to, it could pretty effectively keep any Canadian-built Gripens from ever taking off by simply blocking the sale and/or delivery of the GE-built F414 engines.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Hate to rain on your parade (TBH I am okay with doing so...) but local assembly of E/F Gripens would not lessen Canadian dependence on the US, certainly not from an air combat and air defence perspective. Should the US choose to, it could pretty effectively keep any Canadian-built Gripens from ever taking off by simply blocking the sale and/or delivery of the GE-built F414 engines.
The US could block GE engines which would certainly re-enforce why the US is unreliable not only from a Canadian perspective but other allies as well. Such a ban would be a big opportunity for SKorea and Germany wrt our army requirements. Canada likely end up with 40-50 F-35s instead of 88 and perhaps some Gripens. Long term, GCAP.
 

Terran

Well-Known Member
Well I believe the original Hornet fleet was 130+ jets so the number isn't totally off the rails. Two types adds to maintenance and training costs for sure but building Gripens in Canada offsets that somewhat and it lessens our dependence on an increasingly unreliable and questionable ally.
Not really. Because all you are doing is shifting jobs around and for a questionable term. It’s highly unlikely for Canadian production to be maintained long term on a Grippen order as you already have Grippen production in Latin America and Sweden. The Assembly and production by Canada as such would likely be just for Canada driving up the production costs. Making a highly dependent relationship to Europe and its fickle economy and arms.
So this would be a niche production line with maybe some parts for international distribution.
Well some want to frame it as breaking reliance on the US really it’s weakening the Canadian F35 production base to shift money around in a performative manner.
F35 is called the “Joint Strike Fighter” for a reason. It’s not “Joint” as in across the US Joint Force its Joint as in the program was designed to Join industrial bases across almost every continent save for Antarctica. Its production system included. Long term after a hypothetical Grippen last unit delivery to Canada. Canadian Companies are still going to be working on F35 components.
“The US could block GE engines” and Canada could block PW engines. Although final assembly is in Connecticut major components of the F135 engine are built in both Canada and Poland. It would take years to replace those components. In the meantime Canada would loose Grippen and F35 well those alternatives also are off the table as the ROK and German and French fighters have US content and the GCAP is still vapor.
This push to Grippen is self defeating at best. It’s giving Canada the best of the worst options and a huge waste of funding and resources as it pushes Canada into paying for a completely separate eco system of parts, arms and infrastructure to maintain a second inferior fighter that will likely cost just as much as F35 if not more.
At worst this creates a self fulfilling proposition of the US becoming a less reliable partner to Canada as they themselves cut ties that bind.

With Globaleye there was some potential positive for Canada due to the host aircraft used being of Bombardier origin. That may also have worked for L3 Harris’s offering too. However the Wedgetail had an advantage in that with an Assured US order it had the Economic cost offsets of knowing the overhead was paid by the USAF and the USAF investment meant it was assured integration into NORAD. This fed into the logic of a NATO and Canadian order. Once the Trump Admin threatened to kill the project that background shifted and put SAAB Globaleye on top. Even with the USAF now back to Wedgetail that move allowed SAAB an assured future

With Grippen Sweden is pushing but they can’t make a performance based argument By the RCAF’s own metrics F35 is the best of the best. It’s proven now globally and blooded in battle with high survival. The economic argument is highly dubious. Although SAAB’s marketing materials push higher speed and cheaper operating costs the speed doesn’t help if it can’t find the target it’s also based on an assumption of load out that operating in the high arctic may not comply with. Its costs often don’t consider factors worked into the US calculations.
So it’s a political argument. The timeline doesn’t work. Setting up a line for Canada will take a decade during which they could place orders and get delivery’s of F35. The Logistics doesn’t work it would require a complete redevelopment of Canadian air bases and tools, an entirely different set of weapons and training. The Threat is a hollow one not from the Trump admin but SAAB and a support base who are more obsessed with a lame duck American government that will end long before they will get so much as a bag of bushings from SAAB. The Block of engines doesn’t make any sense as it would be mutually destructive to both programs putting them both back decades with on the Grippens side the potential to be a complete mission kill. If America blocks F414 SAAB has to launch a completely new engine development program and RR is still connected by America. Meaning a new supplier new R&D and stalling multiple countries procurement for potentially a decade on an already aging design and previous generation fighter.
If America Blocks F414 Canada retaliation on F135 which forces the US to develop an alternative engine. Though work has started on a potential engine replacement for the F135 long term it would need to be rushed and decoupled from any Canadian content. This slams far more countries F35 orders and creates an even bigger problem.
The Argument of America as an unreliable partner is rooted in the current political situation between the two parties which at its core isn’t a unilateral US action. It’s a set of mutual retaliatory measures after failing to comply with the USMCA on Dairy, Forced Labor products import , Back door import annd repackaging and Narcotics enforcement. The latter three issues are not unique to the Northern border but also apply to the Southern even more so. Though the US recently paused the Permanent Joint Board on Defence that was likely in response to lack of momentum in Canadian own military modernization and funding combined which moves at a glacial pace. With recent developments on Canadian-Chinese relations farther raising eyebrows in Washington National Security circles. Outside of this Military to Military still seems to be operating well Pol to Pol are locking Antlers.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Actually, Canadian production might solve a sales problem for SAAB. Like with Globaleye, sales are limited by production capacity, & SAAB has limited money to invest in increasing it. A Canadian line, or manufacture of some parts (or both) could enable SAAB to offer earlier delivery slots.
 

Terran

Well-Known Member
That’s with the Caveats of “Might” and “Could”. For SAAB a potential win For the Canadian Tax Payer?
It would likely help the Canadian leadership meet a 3% NATO Spending Agreement but at the cost of a ton of inefficient spending on replicating capabilities for redundant supply chain. This just strikes me so much as the CF5 returned from the grave.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Not really. Because all you are doing is shifting jobs around and for a questionable term. It’s highly unlikely for Canadian production to be maintained long term on a Grippen order as you already have Grippen production in Latin America and Sweden. The Assembly and production by Canada as such would likely be just for Canada driving up the production costs. Making a highly dependent relationship to Europe and its fickle economy and arms.
So this would be a niche production line with maybe some parts for international distribution.
Well some want to frame it as breaking reliance on the US really it’s weakening the Canadian F35 production base to shift money around in a performative manner.
F35 is called the “Joint Strike Fighter” for a reason. It’s not “Joint” as in across the US Joint Force its Joint as in the program was designed to Join industrial bases across almost every continent save for Antarctica. Its production system included. Long term after a hypothetical Grippen last unit delivery to Canada. Canadian Companies are still going to be working on F35 components.
“The US could block GE engines” and Canada could block PW engines. Although final assembly is in Connecticut major components of the F135 engine are built in both Canada and Poland. It would take years to replace those components. In the meantime Canada would loose Grippen and F35 well those alternatives also are off the table as the ROK and German and French fighters have US content and the GCAP is still vapor.
This push to Grippen is self defeating at best. It’s giving Canada the best of the worst options and a huge waste of funding and resources as it pushes Canada into paying for a completely separate eco system of parts, arms and infrastructure to maintain a second inferior fighter that will likely cost just as much as F35 if not more.
At worst this creates a self fulfilling proposition of the US becoming a less reliable partner to Canada as they themselves cut ties that bind.

With Globaleye there was some potential positive for Canada due to the host aircraft used being of Bombardier origin. That may also have worked for L3 Harris’s offering too. However the Wedgetail had an advantage in that with an Assured US order it had the Economic cost offsets of knowing the overhead was paid by the USAF and the USAF investment meant it was assured integration into NORAD. This fed into the logic of a NATO and Canadian order. Once the Trump Admin threatened to kill the project that background shifted and put SAAB Globaleye on top. Even with the USAF now back to Wedgetail that move allowed SAAB an assured future

With Grippen Sweden is pushing but they can’t make a performance based argument By the RCAF’s own metrics F35 is the best of the best. It’s proven now globally and blooded in battle with high survival. The economic argument is highly dubious. Although SAAB’s marketing materials push higher speed and cheaper operating costs the speed doesn’t help if it can’t find the target it’s also based on an assumption of load out that operating in the high arctic may not comply with. Its costs often don’t consider factors worked into the US calculations.
So it’s a political argument. The timeline doesn’t work. Setting up a line for Canada will take a decade during which they could place orders and get delivery’s of F35. The Logistics doesn’t work it would require a complete redevelopment of Canadian air bases and tools, an entirely different set of weapons and training. The Threat is a hollow one not from the Trump admin but SAAB and a support base who are more obsessed with a lame duck American government that will end long before they will get so much as a bag of bushings from SAAB. The Block of engines doesn’t make any sense as it would be mutually destructive to both programs putting them both back decades with on the Grippens side the potential to be a complete mission kill. If America blocks F414 SAAB has to launch a completely new engine development program and RR is still connected by America. Meaning a new supplier new R&D and stalling multiple countries procurement for potentially a decade on an already aging design and previous generation fighter.
If America Blocks F414 Canada retaliation on F135 which forces the US to develop an alternative engine. Though work has started on a potential engine replacement for the F135 long term it would need to be rushed and decoupled from any Canadian content. This slams far more countries F35 orders and creates an even bigger problem.
The Argument of America as an unreliable partner is rooted in the current political situation between the two parties which at its core isn’t a unilateral US action. It’s a set of mutual retaliatory measures after failing to comply with the USMCA on Dairy, Forced Labor products import , Back door import annd repackaging and Narcotics enforcement. The latter three issues are not unique to the Northern border but also apply to the Southern even more so. Though the US recently paused the Permanent Joint Board on Defence that was likely in response to lack of momentum in Canadian own military modernization and funding combined which moves at a glacial pace. With recent developments on Canadian-Chinese relations farther raising eyebrows in Washington National Security circles. Outside of this Military to Military still seems to be operating well Pol to Pol are locking Antlers.
I probably won't respond to many of your points in your comment because they are mostly valid and the RCAF wants the capabilities that the F-35 promises. I really don't GAS wrt an all F-35 or mixed fleet. I will say there are major concerns, both political and performance wise.

Regarding performance, the LM software $hitshow has been well documented on numerous sites. The TR-3 delay coupled with block 4 hardly inspires confidence. Full block 4 won't happen until the ECU for the F135 engine is ready. Most users can accept this for now. The other issue is spares (another software $hitshow which I think has been resolved with a new inventory/maintenance software package) and cost per flight hour. The inventory spares issue and upgrade availability is also a concern given the recent Iran situation and we will not be on the priority list.

On the political side, because the IOTUS doesn't know when to STFU it makes adding more F-35s that much more difficult. Then there are the trade issues. Given all Trump's BS tariff stuff and other outright trade obstructions, how secure is Canadian content on F-35 parts....could end in a nanosecond because he is one dumb C. Even if he is gone, I don't foresee any improvement in US-Canada relations anytime soon.
 
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