So one of the missile is quad-packed ala ESSM with Mk41? Which one is that?
MİDLAS’ta Atmaca Füzesi Detayı Görüldü | SavunmaSanayiST
Roketsan MİDLAS Dikey Atım Sistemi, Atmaca Füzesi ile atış gerçekleştirmeye hazırlanıyor. Abu Dabi'deki IDEX 2025 Fuarı'nda bu konfigürasyonun modeli görüldü.www.savunmasanayist.com
Put it in here instead Turkey Thread because it is the MIDLAS configuration that's being talk as choosen configuration for FMP.
View attachment 52309View attachment 52310
Also put image from one of Indonesian Enthusiasts id Omdhil as his poster shown suppliers that involve in FMP project.
The Midlas configuration shown above consists SAM missiles Hisar as Mid-Longrange and Siper Short range and SSM at the form of Atmaca. This is in line with PAL info that the VLS will have capabilities to use both SAM and SSM.
More potential Missiles that Roketsan try to put in MIDLAS, but so far for FMP those 3 kind of Missiles that being talk going to equip. With Hisar it is also means they are shown similarities with Army Trisula Missiles defense projects.
Indonesia: 'green water navy'
- Thread starter Supe
- Start date
Ananda
The Bunker Group
The MIDLAS Missile profile that being offer for FMP, base on PAL information circulating before are Short Range, Med-Long Range SAM and SSM.
Short range to medium ones, could be Hisar-A or Hisar-O and it is basically equivalent to MICA and ESSM. I suspect Indonesia will go with Hisar-O Naval variance Hisar-D as shown commonality with Hisar-O that Will equip land base Trisula system.
Turkish forum and media have bit different information whether Hisar-D already quad pack capable but TCG Istanbul (F 515) Fires HİSAR-D RF Missile from MİDLAS | TURDEF seems indications so far they are in process on having Hisar-D as Blk 2. That version which will be quad capable, thus in sense at present quad capable Hisar-D still in development. The one that already equip I class Frigate still single pack Hisar-D.
Just as I heard Indonesia will also initialy will go with Aster-15 for Sylver on PPA. Hisar-O/D and Aster-15 and ESSM has similar on paper characteristic. Whether later on they are going with Aster-30 and Siper (Previously call Hisar-U) longer range SAM remain to be seen.
I suspect for time being and due to budgetary the SAM systems will still be SHORAD like Mistral or Starstreak and Short to Medium like NASAMS, VL Mica, Aster-15 and Hisar-O/D. Longer range Aster-30 or Siper is much more expensive.
Short range to medium ones, could be Hisar-A or Hisar-O and it is basically equivalent to MICA and ESSM. I suspect Indonesia will go with Hisar-O Naval variance Hisar-D as shown commonality with Hisar-O that Will equip land base Trisula system.
Turkish forum and media have bit different information whether Hisar-D already quad pack capable but TCG Istanbul (F 515) Fires HİSAR-D RF Missile from MİDLAS | TURDEF seems indications so far they are in process on having Hisar-D as Blk 2. That version which will be quad capable, thus in sense at present quad capable Hisar-D still in development. The one that already equip I class Frigate still single pack Hisar-D.
Just as I heard Indonesia will also initialy will go with Aster-15 for Sylver on PPA. Hisar-O/D and Aster-15 and ESSM has similar on paper characteristic. Whether later on they are going with Aster-30 and Siper (Previously call Hisar-U) longer range SAM remain to be seen.
I suspect for time being and due to budgetary the SAM systems will still be SHORAD like Mistral or Starstreak and Short to Medium like NASAMS, VL Mica, Aster-15 and Hisar-O/D. Longer range Aster-30 or Siper is much more expensive.
Last edited:
Ananda
The Bunker Group
Drass on LinkedIn: #strategicpartnership #drass #republikpalindo #indonesiannavy… | 27 comments
We are pleased to announce a between and… | 27 comments on LinkedIn
www.linkedin.com
Put LinkedIn link from Italian Drass that sign legal agreement on Strategic partnership with Palindo yard which is now part of Republikorp Group. This is follow up on their previous MoU on developing Midget/Compact Submarine base on Drass DGK design (image from Naval Review). This is LinkedIn and ussualy means it is more serious then the like of X, Insta,or FB.
I honestly don't know where this Compact CONOPS will be in TNI-AL. Will this be TNI-AL part of Coastal Submarine? Will this be use as infiltration assets? For one thing, Midget subs design already come out from PAL and other Yard. Now seems Palindo in serious contractual agreement with Drass to develop this Compact Midget Submarine.
Republikorp seems as local MIC holding got some tractions recently. I suspect they already convince some brasses to give them green light on developing one. PAL also in process finishing their Midget UUV design, thus let's see how the environment of Compact Submarine progresing.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
Log into Facebook
Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.
www.facebook.com
Another Light Corvette from local shipyard. This is call KRI Bung Hatta (370). This is classified as similar class with previous KRI Bung Karno (369) that's being consider Light Corvette optimized for VVIP duty.
Increasing number of Missiles Boats, OPV and Corvette from the size of 60m to 100m+ that's being churn out by local shipyard. Latest 60m Missiles Boat from other local Shipyard Tesco able to reach 35 knt speed with the help of 2 Hamilton water jets. Faster then 60m Missiles Boats from PAL that reach 28 knt.
Still even with 60-100m combatant vessels Increasingly being produce locally. Some lobbyists still manage to get overseas contracts for vessels on those size.
Mostly the arguments:
1. Tech Transfer agreement for further local productions,
2. Limited capacities of Local yards.
#2 arguments is being debated, and so far those 2 TAIS missile boats, are the only surface combatant vessels on that size range that being build on overseas yards. However rumours circulating that other sales lobbyists still try to get further order for that sizes vessels build on overseas yards. Let's see how they are going to provide political arguments on that, as politically it is clear that vessels that able being build locally has to be given the contract first.
Last edited:
Sandhi Yudha
Well-Known Member
It's such a disgrace that they give these cheap second grade FFBNW patrolboats the names of the proklamators. These names should be used for at least destroyers or LHDs.Log into Facebook
Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.
View attachment 52335
View attachment 52340
Another Light Corvette from local shipyard. This is call KRI Bung Hatta (370). This is classified as similar class with previous KRI Bung Karno (369) that's being consider Light Corvette optimized for VVIP duty.
View attachment 52336
Increasing number of Missiles Boats, OPV and Corvette from the size of 60m to 100m+ that's being churn out by local shipyard. Latest 60m Missiles Boat from other local Shipyard Tesco able to reach 35 knt speed with the help of 2 Hamilton water jets. Faster then 60m Missiles Boats from PAL that reach 28 knt.
View attachment 52337
Still even with 60-100m combatant vessels Increasingly being produce locally. Some lobbyists still manage to get overseas contracts for vessels on those size.
Mostly the arguments:
1. Tech Transfer agreement for further local productions,
2. Limited capacities of Local yards.
#2 arguments is being debated, and so far those 2 TAIS missile boats, are the only surface combatant vessels on that size range that being build on overseas yards. However rumours circulating that other sales lobbyists still try to get further order for that sizes vessels build on overseas yards. Let's see how they are going to provide political arguments on that, as politically it is clear that vessels that able being build locally has to be given the contract first.
Anyway, here a nice video from Puspenerbal of the Multilateral Naval Exercise Komodo 2025.
https://x.com/Jatosint/status/1893951249067762146