The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Feanor · Apr 2, 2022

ngatimozart said:
There are also reports of Russian military personnel refusing orders and destroying their own equipment. Ukraine war: Russian soldiers refusing orders, sabotaging equipment - UK spy chief - NZ Herald How factual this is I don't know but we have seen evidence of bad discipline and Russian troops abandoning serviceable equipment on the battlefield.

Is there a way to bypass the paywall?

South Ossetia has decided that it wants to be incorporated into the Russian Motherland. Russia-Ukraine war: South Ossetia region of Georgia announces plans to join Russia - NZ Herald This will create some more problems in the region.

This is not news. S. Ossetia wants to join N. Ossetia as part of Russia. This contrasts with Abkhazia who is perfectly happy to be independent.

Musashi_kenshin · Apr 2, 2022

Some interesting analysis of the Russian retreat from areas around Kyiv. If correct it looks like some Russian units are or will shortly be surrounded, with no obvious option other than to surrender or try to make a run for the retreating Russian lines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1510097195688767491

Rock the kasbah · Apr 2, 2022

Feanor said:
This doesn't seem likely. They sky over Ukraine is closed. Flying over it risks direct engagement. By far the likeliest scenario is a flight to Poland, followed by ground transport from there.

Is it a btln though? I can't help but wonder. We see a lot of the same faces. Could it be a group of "highborn" Chechens who are relatives of the authorities and whose military service is borderline fictional, but who are showing off? It makes little sense to send additional Chechen fighters to Ukraine if they are of no military value. Given how often I see the same faces I can't help but wonder if a small group of golden boys is f*cking around, while the real Chechen National Guard isn't posting any photos or videos for obvious reason and is engaged in clearing the city. At the end of the day, Mariupol' is getting cleared, block by block.

Totally agree with you
Who's looking after mariopol? I think it's the azov brigade
Money well spent

Ananda · Apr 2, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509895413658234907

From all the map on the Ukrane war front development, I always like to see what the French Defense Ministry shown. French more realistic in nature to shown development, compared to US or UK. Sometimes it even shown in their media.

Basically it shown that Russian retreating on Kyiev/Kviy front, however put more resources on East. The offensive in East is increasing in tempo, and that's where Russian increase the resources.

Basically it is in line with what Russian put on as their changes focus. They want East of Ukraine, as that's where the main Ukranian Army is (this JFO). Whether Kyiv ever been one of their main focus, can be debeatable and I believe will be discussed by many analysts after this. However the East is always being one of their focus from beginning.

Musashi_kenshin · Apr 2, 2022

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. I've noticed the French maps are very bright-line - this is Russian and this is Ukrainian. There's not really any indication of areas that are disputed or not securely held.

I think the maps that show areas of Russian advance compared to territory they actually hold are more helpful. To me they give an indication where Russia has moved fowards but not necessarily created secure supply lines. If you take the French map there is no possibility of encirclement - is that really the case?

Ananda · Apr 2, 2022

Musashi_kenshin said:
If you take the French map there is no possibility of encirclement - is that really the case?

The French talking on tactical changing position. They talk on Russian Tactical retreat in Kyiv Front, and Tactical reinforcement in Donbas area.

The blue arrow, is Ukraine movement, red arrow Russian movement. Blue line is defensive or holding possition. The way I see it (comparing from previous days map), in Kyiev front the red line from day to day slightly retreating, and by yesterday shown red arrow going to Belarus border. However still red line and bombardment in Kyiev area.

So when they say tactical retreating, seems they shown in the map Russian begin to pull away but keep retreating defensive line and bombardment to cover the retreating line. Those only in Kyiv area.

In East they shown Russian moving big time, even shown Red Line moving to West Donentsk front from Mariupol direction. Shown they are more or less finishing in Mariupol, and the resources there begin to be send converging on West Donentsk.

They shown red line toward Zaporizhye city from the rest Zaporizhye Oblast Russian hold. Thus just like in Donbas (Donentsk and Luhansk), French map shown Russian begin to move toward Zaporizhye City from their holding possition. I suspect this is the units from Crimea.

On Kherson-Nikolayev Oblast there are red line there, shown Russian Holding Ground, while blue arrow toward Russian hold area, shown Ukraine try to do some offensive. Interestingly in southern Nikolayev, there's blue arrow but toward blue line. Indicating Ukraine move but to build defensive line. So French practically say standstill confrontation in area of Kherson oblast and Nikolayev Oblast.

Musashi_kenshin · Apr 2, 2022

I don't know, to me it still resembles the sort of map a child would make with a continuous line because it's too hard to do what Miss said about showing disputed areas and unsecured territory. Not to suggest the French Ministry of Defence is staffed by children or the person who produced the map is being unprofessional, I just think it's overly simplistic.

Ananda · Apr 2, 2022

For me it is the map to shown big picture. Not map to shown overall movement in the ground. I do believe French knows how the movement in the ground, as much as US and UK. However they shown big picture only for the public.

I watch their map day to day. So any changes in their map, means it is big movement. Seems French did not want to mention small movement. This is shown Russian clearly changes their movement toward the goals in the East and around Crimea.

vonnoobie · Apr 2, 2022

It hardly shows the big picture when it makes out that they 'control' vast swaths of territory when for the most part they barely venture off of the main roads. Frankly IMO wikipedia gives a better picture of whats going on then the map the French release and thats saying so knowing im likely to get the admins kicking me up the back side for saying anything nice about wiki lmao.

Ananda · Apr 2, 2022

Well anyone when looking to map on the Ukrainian War has preference toward what they believe happen in the ground. For me, French Map still shown big pictures only. As I do believe the French actually knows where the main Ukrainian and Russian possition.

As talking Russian not venturing then the main roads debeatable. Perhaps in some area they are not doing that. However its also not shown in that area the Ukranian also still there.

Feanor · Apr 2, 2022

Musashi_kenshin said:
Some interesting analysis of the Russian retreat from areas around Kyiv. If correct it looks like some Russian units are or will shortly be surrounded, with no obvious option other than to surrender or try to make a run for the retreating Russian lines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1510097195688767491

This seems unlikely. Russia signaled their withdrawal in advance. It's quite likely that there is a pre-arranged withdrawal line to which they are going. They entered Slavutich recently, and had a whole negotiating session with the mayor. It's possible that's how far back they'll go. I don't see why they would leave units behind to be surrounded.

Feanor · Apr 2, 2022

Update.

Around Kiev.

Footage of Russian Marines operating near Kiev.

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