t68
Well-Known Member
According to Janes NZ 90 should reach FOC in the last quater of 2015,
New Zealand receives final NH90 helo - IHS Jane's 360
New Zealand receives final NH90 helo - IHS Jane's 360
Royal New Zealand Air Force
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I guess it was more no requirement to send any MANs when the unimogs can do it just as well and also easier just to send one type of truck from a support perspective.
I think for tasks like this just as easy and cost effective to send the mogs and in the future whatever replaces the remaining garrison fleet (civ spec) instead of the more expensive MANs.
Legacy trucks and legacy sprites still got the goods, VFM at its finest.
Agree, they have already trialled transport on CY ( they just have to sit there in chains) and island hopping? Isn't that just taking off and landing with some water in the middle? hopefully they have conquered taking off and landing by now.
Surely it is just until they get all the boxes ticked, precautionary at best, otherwise coming over as not a very good investment indeed. I do not take what media write up on defence as gospel for a good majority of the time as they have proven time and time again that they, just like politicians, have no understanding of what they are actually commenting on and this can be very dangerous, damaging and mis-leading.
Zero Alpha
New Member
Mr Brownlee said:
What I suspect he's discovered is that there should have been more consideration to 'joined up' thinking.
Re the MANN trucks, there are still a heap of them parked up at Trentham. I'm not sure the driving instructor training has finished yet. Somewhat ironically, the vehicles were delivered early so the rest of the project is trying to catch up.
I think he's making the point that integrated planning is the way of the future. If you read the public information about user requirements, you can see that a clear distinction was made on shipboard use between transporting versus operational employment.
What I suspect he's discovered is that there should have been more consideration to 'joined up' thinking.
Re the MANN trucks, there are still a heap of them parked up at Trentham. I'm not sure the driving instructor training has finished yet. Somewhat ironically, the vehicles were delivered early so the rest of the project is trying to catch up.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The RCAF just took delivery of their 5th C-17 yesterday, one of he few good news stories about the Canadian Armed Forces these days! Perhaps NZ can grab a couple while they are still available.
t68
Well-Known Member
NZ cabinet meet last night and approved 3x C17 for RNZAF
re my earlier - the Malays have just fitted out their 109's with M134 chain guns - ie Dillons.....
I think t68 is trying to prank.
Have to say it seemed believable.However seemed odd that cabinet would agree to anything, let alone on Tuesday night.
Have to say it seemed believable.However seemed odd that cabinet would agree to anything, let alone on Tuesday night.
A further update on the purchase - this just in:I think thats an April Fools rumour
Aircraft manufacturer Revell says it expects the deliveries of all three C-17 aircraft to be complete within 3 weeks, although some assembly would be required afterwards. An unnamed Air Force spokesperson said that, in contrast to recent public speculation, the Air Force believed it had more than adequate hangarage to house the new aircraft. Of more concern, she said, were the country's supplies of cyanoacrylate. An initiative was underway to lower the recruitment age to 12, to hopefully attract experienced aircraft builders to the project.
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Haha should have checked the date, I'm stiil going with it, why not aye.A further update on the purchase - this just in:
Aircraft manufacturer Revell says it expects the deliveries of all three C-17 aircraft to be complete within 3 weeks, although some assembly would be required afterwards. An unnamed Air Force spokesperson said that, in contrast to recent public speculation, the Air Force believed it had more than adequate hangarage to house the new aircraft. Of more concern, she said, were the country's supplies of cyanoacrylate. An initiative was underway to lower the recruitment age to 12, to hopefully attract experienced aircraft builders to the project.
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FormerDirtDart
Well-Known Member
Ready to go, just need a little hot water and new decalsA further update on the purchase - this just in:
Aircraft manufacturer Revell says it expects the deliveries of all three C-17 aircraft to be complete within 3 weeks, although some assembly would be required afterwards. An unnamed Air Force spokesperson said that, in contrast to recent public speculation, the Air Force believed it had more than adequate hangarage to house the new aircraft. Of more concern, she said, were the country's supplies of cyanoacrylate. An initiative was underway to lower the recruitment age to 12, to hopefully attract experienced aircraft builders to the project.
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t68
Well-Known Member
A further update on the purchase - this just in:
Aircraft manufacturer Revell says it expects the deliveries of all three C-17 aircraft to be complete within 3 weeks, although some assembly would be required afterwards. An unnamed Air Force spokesperson said that, in contrast to recent public speculation, the Air Force believed it had more than adequate hangarage to house the new aircraft. Of more concern, she said, were the country's supplies of cyanoacrylate. An initiative was underway to lower the recruitment age to 12, to hopefully attract experienced aircraft builders to the project.
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That's the spirit, I like that!!
shanes_world_05
Member
In regards to the NH90's I would like to draw everyones attention to this
Gerry Brownlee: NH90 helicopters purchase 'interesting' | Stuff.co.nz
Particularly the last four lines. If anyone could offer a take on Goff's comments there I would appreciate it.
They would not have been taken to Vanuatu because they haven't been cleared for operating out of NZ yet. I know that the ADF have a MRH90 there but different ships different cap tallies. I note Big Gerrys comment regarding retrofitting options so I would suggest that may have to do with the undercart. Now Ron Marks comments regarding automatic blade folding, that's him not knowing what he's talking about again. The 6 Sqn and other RNZAF guys are laughing at that because the Seasprites don't have it so it makes no difference to them capability wise. It's an optional extra that would make their job easier being one less thing to do, that's all. IIRC the ADF MRH90s don't have it either.
shanes_world_05
Member
OK. That the Air force have to move gradually towards an organizational level of qualification and confidence is perfectly reasonable and understandable to me. I can see how that might work.
I wasn't aware of the Seasprite's and Aussie MRH90 issue to be honest. Assumed the Sprites had it and it does offer a slight change in complexion on Mark's criticism.
What I was thinking more of was Goff being disingenuous in his remarks but to be honest with what you have said his contribution to this picture is abit irrelevant.
Regarding yesterday's announcement of Revel supplied C-17s, heard that Brownlee added some P-8's, twenty super hornet's and a Millenium Falcon.
The RNZAF have always followed that practice with the introduction of new types into service. It's standard operating procedure. I think Big Gerry is being stingy. He should know the rule of threes and three Millennium Falcons is an absolute minimum that are required to ensure that the RNZAF gains maximum use from this capability.
kiwi in exile
Active Member
Is anyone else sick of the he said she said coming from both sides of politics about the suitability of the NH90s. Someone needs to explicitly state why they were not said instead of trying to point the finger. I agrree with Goff: "Why they were not taken up to Vanuatu, I haven't had a clear explanation from the Minister of Defence - he should be more explicit about that. "