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The policy pledges no new hardware, focusing instead on “righting the ship”, according to Coalition defence spokesman David Johnston.
Nope, not for the moment in any case, its more about increasing spending which means more training excercises, Port visits for the Navy and hopefully ships out of mothball and Bushmasters brought out of the shed.
Trackmaster
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There's a lot of them not even in the shed out near Brisbane airport. What chance the Hawkei being given the go-ahead?
t68
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If you talking about Pinkenba they are pool vehicles.
weegee
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Supply ship replasment
So with Labor promising to avoid the valley of death with the supply ship being brought forward and with the Coalition saying they are going to spend more money odds are they will do the same thing. What ships does everyone think are in the running for the contract to be built?
1)SPS Cantabria has she impressed enough to get the nod? how well things seem to be going with the LHD's and the AWD you would imagine another 2 ships from the same designer would would run along the same route?
2)ASC's Australian AEGIR 18A offer from S Korea? no doubt these would come very quickly and at reasonable price too?
Are there any other options that will be put up? or is it basically down to these options and which would suit us better?
So with Labor promising to avoid the valley of death with the supply ship being brought forward and with the Coalition saying they are going to spend more money odds are they will do the same thing. What ships does everyone think are in the running for the contract to be built?
1)SPS Cantabria has she impressed enough to get the nod? how well things seem to be going with the LHD's and the AWD you would imagine another 2 ships from the same designer would would run along the same route?
2)ASC's Australian AEGIR 18A offer from S Korea? no doubt these would come very quickly and at reasonable price too?
Are there any other options that will be put up? or is it basically down to these options and which would suit us better?
don't count on seeing more assets being procured 1st term under the Libs
they have a different focus
they have a different focus
Cut, slag, burn and blame everything on Labor, just like 1996 all over again. Projects will be reviewed, delayed and cancelled, public servants will be sacked and defence industry members will be slandered and driven into the ground while uniformed members will be transferred, stuffed around and worked until they quit. All will be blamed on Labor and any slight improvements in their second term will be held up as evidence of their genius and commitment to defence.
Doubt me, just look at the UK
John Newman
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Sorry what was that? Politicians playing Politics?
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but both sides aren't immune when it comes to the blame game, playing politics or changing direction or focus.
If I remember correctly six years ago, the current Labor government jumped up and down and made a lot of noise about the Libs retiring the F-111 early and replacing them with Super Hornets.
At the end of the day and after a review the new Government finally agreed with the go ahead, but also made the political point that if it didn't proceed the Government would be faced with cancellation fees and also that the wind down of the F-111 was too far down the track to stop.
And on a side note about change in direction, if I remember correctly, it was the then new Labor Government in early 1983, which made the decision to cancel the replacement of HMAS Melbourne and the retirement of the fixed wing aircraft of the fleet air arm, was this going to happen under the previous Government? Who knows...
Not defending either side, but as they say 'when you elect a politician, you get a politician!'.
Many years ago a friend said to me he had a solution to the short term 3 year view of politicians and politics in our system.
He said, 'what we need is to install a benevolent dictator for a 10 year period, make sure that in the 10 year period things get done, and just before the dictator's 10 years are up, take him out the back and shoot him (saves on a parliamentary pension!), put another one in, and repeat as necessary till things get done properly!'
Anyway, I'm not holding my breath either way if things will get better or worse, time will tell.
Well, labor have left them selves open to blame...and there are an awful lot of public servents in dod when we only have around 70,000 regulars and about 30,000 reserves....did you serve under labor Hawke Keating era? OMG!
Don't get me wrong, Labor do not deserve to be re-elected its just that I am not looking forward to all the BS associated with a change of government. To be honest my family will probably be better off as we seem to better fit Tony Abbotts view of worthwhile, its just that I fear the sort of idiocy you often see when you get an arrogant new government elected with a large majority.
I'm hearing you!
Due to the last incompetant govt, changes will need blah blah blah
I'm instructing on that course I told you about Volk, one of my students is exQM of a certain unit up here who,s vehicles you admired at the show. He has 26 years army under his belt. His CO had a budget this year of $170K. That's funny isn't it!
Due to the last incompetant govt, changes will need blah blah blah
I'm instructing on that course I told you about Volk, one of my students is exQM of a certain unit up here who,s vehicles you admired at the show. He has 26 years army under his belt. His CO had a budget this year of $170K. That's funny isn't it!
You probably know or can guess the game I'm in and the lack of funding compared to other projects I've worked on is astounding, I just don't get the priorities of the bods in Canberra. The irony though is the mess we have is due to a contract signed by the previous mob therefore nothing is likely to change or be fixed as it will acknowledge a failure of theirs not Labor. Why on earth Labor didn't jump on the band wagon and lay the blame on their predecessors is beyond me, there is a lot to be blamed for.
The absolute irony being that the reason why there are so many public servants is that both sides of govt:
deskilled trades in the services so that staff went to industry
as a legacy of above industry charges 4-5 times what we could do with less problems and makes it worse by having contracts which limit what they can do anyway (I worked on a project for Govt where it got rejected time and time again when I was a SOGB (EL2 equiv). When I went contracting we responded to that project, basically submitted the same projects specs as what I wrote in Govt, charged Govt 5 times the price (and then some) - and Govt approved it because it came from the private sector - and therefore we were the "experts" go figure
set procurement guidelines of governance which extended project decision times
set governance procedures in place which couldn't review in the same ratio as outstanding projects - so projects have to slip through no fault of the project as they can;t put a fire hose worth of water into a garden hose etc....
the road runner
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RAN media have uploaded a video of HMAS Sirius replenishing HMAS Warramunga and Sydney at sea on exercise Blue Raptor.
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akXsMkY6uNI"]Exercise BLUE RAPTOR - Replenishment at Sea - YouTube[/nomedia]
A couple of hours to fill a ship/frigate.
Pretty impressive to see how they actually replenish our ships at sea
I assume replenishing our new LHD would take twice as long as that to fill?
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akXsMkY6uNI"]Exercise BLUE RAPTOR - Replenishment at Sea - YouTube[/nomedia]
A couple of hours to fill a ship/frigate.
Pretty impressive to see how they actually replenish our ships at sea
I assume replenishing our new LHD would take twice as long as that to fill?
Yes. Pre operational deployment exercise (Rifle Company Butterworth was still considered an operational deployment back then) 5 blank rounds per man, no blank link, no whiz bangs, no rat packs (hot box meals delivered by vehicle in the J at Canungra).
Ohhh, what else... Ah - never fired a 66 (subcal or HEAT), threw only 2 x live grenades in 6 years, designed basic training programs for the ARES that had them signed off as competent ECN 109 Rifleman when they hadn't been allowed enough rounds to even do the basic serial shoot on their SLR's. Very glad I was at the cutting edge of the ADF in one of our 6 Regular battalions with IIRC a posted strength of around 290 troops)
Yes I remember the late 80's early 90's.... Disgraceful. And they wondered why we had retention problems...
With only one fuel line probably more than twice as long. Both Burkes I was on routinely used both forward and aft lines when UNREPING and it is pretty much standard operating procedure for the big decks unless the tanker has some sort of limitation.
wait nevermind doing more digging, i found out it was actually Canterbury according to Q ships.
QSHIPS : Vessels At Berth
well. my curiosity is satisfied
QSHIPS : Vessels At Berth
well. my curiosity is satisfied
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