the handringing requests have come from state govt and industry
As the Libs focus on what big industry wants it might have a shot post election
That would also let OFarrell ramp up requests for NSW to get extra work and revive williamstown
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As the Libs focus on what big industry wants it might have a shot post election
That would also let OFarrell ramp up requests for NSW to get extra work and revive williamstown
John Newman
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Yes that would be good if it did happen.
I would have thought it would have been a smart move as an election announcement (by either party), 'saving the ship building industry', eg, jobs in Adelaide, jobs in Newcastle and Jobs in Melbourne.
Just have to wait and see.
(PS, just going to sit down with a drink in front of the TV and watch the 3rd and final leaders debate from Rooty Hill RSL, or as we call Rooty Hill here Sydney, "Shaggers Ridge"!!)
the road runner
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KRudd wants to fast track new supply ships for the navy if re elected.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to unveil navy shipbuilding plan to boost construction jobs - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Seems like Defence will be a big political card to be played at election time.
About time we heard some good news for Navy.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to unveil navy shipbuilding plan to boost construction jobs - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Seems like Defence will be a big political card to be played at election time.
About time we heard some good news for Navy.
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He can say whatever he likes about defence, i'm yet to find anyone i know here that will be voting labor.
Its a shame it had to come to a week before election to announce when its been overdue for quite some time. Success should never have really been upgraded with double hulling and replaced when it was required. Her operational status to the amount of money invested is ridiculously poor. For what we have spent double hulling and getting her operational(the public figures are well below the actual costings) we could have had South Korea build a new AOR much like they're doing for the UK and now Norway. Williamstown could have started Sirius replacement and had work to hold it over until OCV time, but that would have been a workable schedule and so i should sit back in my corner and be quiet.
Its a shame it had to come to a week before election to announce when its been overdue for quite some time. Success should never have really been upgraded with double hulling and replaced when it was required. Her operational status to the amount of money invested is ridiculously poor. For what we have spent double hulling and getting her operational(the public figures are well below the actual costings) we could have had South Korea build a new AOR much like they're doing for the UK and now Norway. Williamstown could have started Sirius replacement and had work to hold it over until OCV time, but that would have been a workable schedule and so i should sit back in my corner and be quiet.
protoplasm
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Standard problem, invest more money in already shagged gear than would have been spent in acquiring new gear. I hope that we don't see similar when we hit the Collins end of life times.
Rudd brings forward ship project | News.com.au
And we are now into the phase of announcing ships. At least there is some recognition of the issue, which is of course created by the current government.
I find it odd that they announce these 2 but have stayed possum quiet on the others which are well down the path of acquisition but have yet to be publicly announced
Not really announcing so much actual work, if this report in Guardian is correct. Part build of one ship only as a commitment.
"Here are the particulars of the ship building announcement, from the Rudd statement. Accelerated ship building:
The May 2013 defence white paper committed the federal Labor Government to replacing the Navy's supply ships, HMAS Success and HMAS Sirius at the earliest opportunity.
Replacement options include local build, hybrid build (part construction overseas and part domestically) and overseas build, or the leasing of an existing vessel.
Today the Rudd Labor government confirmed it will bring forward this project and will, as a minimum, commit to a hybrid build for one of these Navy supply vessels with construction to commence in 2015-16.
This decision will ensure the level of content is sufficient to bridge the gap between the existing contracts and the future submarine contracts.
Today’s announcement will ensure Australia maintains a world-class naval shipbuilding industry and will support skilled jobs as our economy transitions beyond the mining boom.
To deliver this essential capability in this timeframe, the government will direct Defence to downselect, based on the Navy’s capability requirements, no more than two options and then conduct accelerated, limited competition, consideration and approval processes.
This will include a streamlined process of government consideration.
The competition process will involve consideration of Australian industry involvement."
I don't know if industry will be that happy with it either. Part build of a fairly basic supply ship isn't really what they are after. With the LHD there was significant local build, Im not sure that it will be the same with this deal.
Its all very curious. I wonder if these a just the first salvo's and a bit of damage control over the garden island thing, which generally went down like a lead fart.
Rudd doesn't seem to be advised by the same people who advised his 2009 wp. This is smelling a bit more like election fever stuff, but we will have to see how it plays out.
Its all very curious. I wonder if these a just the first salvo's and a bit of damage control over the garden island thing, which generally went down like a lead fart.
Rudd doesn't seem to be advised by the same people who advised his 2009 wp. This is smelling a bit more like election fever stuff, but we will have to see how it plays out.
John Newman
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I think Icelord's first sentence sums everything up pretty well, I'm also yet to find anyone I know (or talk to) who will be voting Labor too, and if the many polls are to believed, come the 8th of September a new Government will be in place.
But for the sake of the discussion, lets 'assume' that Rudd & Co do get back in, to be able to achieve this '2015-2016' start date, when does a ship type selection and an order have to be placed? How long is the lead time between then and when construction would start?
As far as I am aware, apart from the budget paper announcement saying replacement would happen at the first possible opportunity, there have been no tenders sent out, there has been no short list of contenders. To achieve the date mentioned does that mean there will be no competitive tender, just a sole source selection?
And I keep wondering why haven't we seen the 2013 DCP yet? Maybe it was so he could make this announcement because otherwise we would have already seen the proposed dates set out in the DCP!
Those are questions that probably won't need an answer come the 8th of next month, but still I'd be interested to know how fast it can happen to meet the date set.
Regardless of whoever is elected, it will be interesting to see which option the selection is made from.
I would assume if the Cantabria Class is selected we will probably see both hulls, built up to the deck in Spain and rest finished off in Williamstown, as per the LHD's, but would there be any block work available for Newcastle?
On the other hand the ASC/BMT/DSME Aegir offering looks interesting:
http://www.asc.com.au/Documents/News/ASCAegirBrochure_FINAL.pdf
They are offering three ships, two build in Korea and the third build by ASC in Adelaide with block work to also go to Newcastle and Williamstown.
The questions I'd like to know about the above two choices is, which choice could deliver the best result for the Navy (delivering capable ships quickly) and which choice is good for industry? Can one solution do both?
On the surface at least, choosing the Aegir design could deliver ships quickly, as appears is going to be the case with the delivery schedule for both the UK and Norway, and secondly building a third complete ship here, with the work load spread around to three yards.
And not to forget cost, which would be cheaper, 2 Cantabria's or 3 Aegir ships??
Norway picks BMT design for its new logistics ship - News - Shephard
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Don't be silly, that'd be a logical decision and probably be a win on all fronts. On other news, merely a couple of weeks worth of work left at Williamstown on the LHD from my sources, a lot of people are about to be out of a job...:fly
t68
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why they still have another to do yet.
Launch of Second Amphibious Ship HMAS Adelaide, Canberra Class LHD for Royal Australian Navy
HMAS Adelaide was launched early July 2012 ahead of shedule
Can't really say how it fits in with shipbuilding timetables to you guys, as I don't really know. But it'll be a great sight to see the pair together.
Canberra is meant to be delivered in 2014, but before that - AFAIK - there will be builders sea trials before she's handed over to the RAN.
HMAS Adelaide was launched early July 2012 ahead of shedule
So the date's not much more solid than that, that I can get hold of. That 4.5 months of additional time might not even be neccesary to complete the testing, so could probably get it earlier than that i'd imagine.
Can't really say how it fits in with shipbuilding timetables to you guys, as I don't really know. But it'll be a great sight to see the pair together.
Canberra is meant to be delivered in 2014, but before that - AFAIK - there will be builders sea trials before she's handed over to the RAN.
Curious where you draw this conclusion. The fit our of Canberra will take some time yet and the blocks for Adelaide are in production. There are also the AWD blocks.................... hardly a couple of weeks work.
Who are your sources?
Sorry quick edit: Just noted your comment regarding the Adelaide which would suggest you are not particularly aware of the status of the LHD project. This makes your comment questionable. But assuming you have a font of knowledge and have insights that contradict the trajectory of the projects in question (noting I don't disagree that 2015 poses challenges)...... I repeat; who are your sources and please explain what has changed that BAE will shed jobs now rather than later.
My sources are from people who are working on the ship (I thought that was obvious from my previous statement?), but what would they know right?
Any idea on where sea trials will take place? The bay or bass strait?
Really, Sea trails are not for a while yet but you would know that from your sources if they were working on the ship. Block construction on Canberra is certainly complete but Adealide is due in the not too distant future (but again your sources who work on the ship wouel be able to update you on the exact date). So why would job be shed now as you suggest. I certainly agree that from 2015 things could get iff and there will be a draw down before then, but not now and not "about to be our of a job" whihc suggests in the immediate future.
Sea trails will be quite extensive .......... and will not be isolated to Port Phillip bay.
This press release from a few days ago would indicate that the 1100 jobs only become redundant from 2015 if no further work is ordered, not in a few weeks/months as you suggest.
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the road runner
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200 Billion in ships over the next 30 years?
Is that right.. what ships are we getting over the next 30 years to pay 200 billion ?
12 Subs $40 billion
3 AWD $6 billion
8 Future Frigate $10 billion
2 replenishment ships $2 billion
20 Corvettes $20 billion
Your kidding me $1 billion per Corvette!! Jesus i might start a boat building company.
Maybe the other $120 odd billion will go towards Abbotts "cash for clunkers" ( buying indo fishing boats) LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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