Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

[SURB]

Under Sino-Pak joint project, first F-22P Frigate constructed for Pakistan Navy at Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai, China was delivered to Pakistan Navy on Thursday.The delivery ceremony was followed by Commissioning of the ship, in which Pakistani flag was hoisted on the ship with band playing Pakistani National Anthem. The ceremonies were attended by distinguished guests from Chinese Navy, Chinese Govt Authorities and senior officers of Pakistan Navy.Chief guest for the ceremony, Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Noman Bashir NI(M) while addressing the guests said that the successful and timely delivery of the First F-22P Frigate has been made possible by superb cooperation of the leadership of PLA(Navy), SASTIND, CSSC, Hudong Shipyard and CSTC.He said that with passage of time the relationship between Pakistan and China has grown deeper and fonder in all spheres of defence and economic cooperation. Pakistan is indeed proud of close association with China and this unique relationship does not draw any parallel elsewhere in the world.


He said that F-22P Frigate project is the manifestation of everlasting strategic partnership between Pakistan and China.Earlier, while welcoming the guests at Commissioning ceremony, Head of Pakistan Mission and the Chief Naval Overseer, Commodore Mahmood ur Rehman SI(M) said that the successful culmination of the first F-22P Frigate is the result of ardent efforts and exceptional professional competence of all personnel involved in this project, right out its inception.Work on design and construction of F-22 P ships started in year 2005 after signing of a contract between MoDP and CSTC of China for construction of three ships in China and one at Karachi Shipyard. While first F-22P ship is now heading to Pakistan, all other three ships are at different stages of construction.Talking to Chinese media, Admiral Noman said that one of the important aspects of his visit was the interactions and discussions on how to further they can make progress and strengthen the relationship at all levels.



To a question, he said Pakistan, China relations were multidimensional and both countries had understanding on many issues. Both countries were co-operating in various civil as well as defence projects, he added.About India Nuke submarine, Admiral Noman said although it was launched two days back, we knew it for a long time. Indian, he said had their own security perspective, but Pakistan believed that the presence of Indian nuclear submarine changes the security calculus of Indian Ocean. Pakistan, Admiral Noman said, did not want to follow arms' race as "we have our own priorities".He said, "we are fully alive to our security and taking all necessary measures to safeguard it. In this regard he referred to acquisition of P-22 frigates for Pakistan Navy.


Admiral Noman Bashir pointed out that Chinese military production industry maintained very high quality and standard and Pakistan wanted to benefit from their achievements.To a question on security of Indian Ocean, Admiral Noman said it was very important for many reasons. The Ocean is main artery for oil supplies and it connected the East with the West as a result a large number of cargo ships passed through it every day."The Ocean is very important not only for Pakistan and China but for the entire world therefore Pakistan don't want to see it monopolise by any country. So, this is important for all the countries in the world including Pakistan which is located on the mouth of Gulf to make sure that the India Ocean remains peaceful", he added.
ASIAN DEFENCE: First F-22P Frigate delivered to Pakistan

& what about the z9ec hellis ..... weren,t these included in the package.

 

[dark knight]

I honestly don't know, but what i do know is that a frigate for 63Mil is a steal, they would be paying probably 10 times that for a newly built one. If they could get a few more cheap OHP's they would be very well off, as long as they do the job that is required of them.

$ 63 mill for an obsolete Jiangwei is not so cheap...... plus not having a VLS can delay a missile launch by 60 secs 'n cannot protect from a barrage of air attacks.............

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... which is why they're giving the FC-1 duds 'n not the J-10 ..............

PN must'nt get conned in the bargain....

 

[SURB]

according to some media sources pakistan navy have modified the harpoon missiles provided them by USA in 80's and tested them.......giving them an additional capability to hit land based targets:sniper
Is this news true & if this is true then whats the name given to this missile.And if anyone can tell the result of this test...:hul
PAKISTAN NAVY rejected this fact of modification and said that they have tested an home made missile & harpoon missiles can't be reverse engineered.

 

[SABRE]

according to some media sources pakistan navy have modified the harpoon missiles provided them by USA in 80's and tested them.......giving them an additional capability to hit land based targets:sniper
Is this news true & if this is true then whats the name given to this missile.And if anyone can tell the result of this test...:hul
PAKISTAN NAVY rejected this fact of modification and said that they have tested an home made missile & harpoon missiles can't be reverse engineered.

Its been discussed in the WMD and Missile forum.

 

[nero]

According to PN (& also confirmed by Geo News' article) PN requires from 12 to 14 submarines. Right now PN has 5 Submarines with the inclusion of Agosta-90B Hamza on Sep 26th.

Submarine Augusta 90-B Hamza to be commissioned on Sept 26 - GEO.tv

The PN should actively consider the marlin proposal along with the U-214. some people are arguing that pakistan can have either the U-214 or the Marlin.this either or arguement is nothing but fallacy

My point is why can't pakistan have both of them at the same time????????? 3 U-214s + 3 marlins. What's stopping pakistan from buying both of them ????

That way the stength of the submarine fleet will beefed up simultaneously.

 

[Sea Toby]

The PN should actively consider the marlin proposal along with the U-214. some people are arguing that pakistan can have either the U-214 or the Marlin.this either or arguement is nothing but fallacy

My point is why can't pakistan have both of them at the same time????????? 3 U-214s + 3 marlins. What's stopping pakistan from buying both of them ????

That way the stength of the submarine fleet will beefed up simultaneously.

There is a budget.... I know most want a larger fleet, but a larger fleet requires more money not only to buy the submarines but to operate them as well.

The Chinese built frigates, three of the four, will be built and in service by the end of next year. The first one was delivered on July 30, and reached Pakistan on September 12. During the third week of September the first frigate will be inducted into the fleet, if she is not already....

The fourth being built in Pakistan should be delivered during 2013.... maybe during 2012. I would think Pakistan would either build more F22Ps or attempt to build other ships in Pakistan. Why develop the shipyard workers and not use them to build more ships, even at a slow rate? New ships are expensive, its better to keep those funds in Pakistan, not going to someone else. Technology transfer is a big part of the F22P program.

While the F22P frigates may not be the best and latest of ships, they are sufficient enough for Pakistan's defensive strategic missions. They are just as good if not better than the used British frigates in my mind. A step up, not down. Now if Pakistan can buy and build another class of ships several years from now, they should be able to avoid block obsolescence thirty years into the future. This is something Pakistan have always had to face in the past using surplus ships. Its easier to replace four ships than it is to replace six or eight ships at approximately the same time with brand new ships. Spread the new builds out.....

This applies to submarines as well. Two building periods with two classes of ships and/or submarines ten years apart.....

During the ten year period when the navy isn't buying and building frigates and submarines, spend funds for the secondary ships such as patrol boats, hydrographic ships and mine countermeasures ships. Doing so will keep those shipyard workers busy full time all the time....

 

[SABRE]

There is a budget.... I know most want a larger fleet, but a larger fleet requires more money not only to buy the submarines but to operate them as well.

The Chinese built frigates, three of the four, will be built and in service by the end of next year. The first one was delivered on July 30, and reached Pakistan on September 12. During the third week of September the first frigate will be inducted into the fleet, if she is not already....

The fourth being built in Pakistan should be delivered during 2013.... maybe during 2012. I would think Pakistan would either build more F22Ps or attempt to build other ships in Pakistan. Why develop the shipyard workers and not use them to build more ships, even at a slow rate? New ships are expensive, its better to keep those funds in Pakistan, not going to someone else. Technology transfer is a big part of the F22P program.

While the F22P frigates may not be the best and latest of ships, they are sufficient enough for Pakistan's defensive strategic missions. They are just as good if not better than the used British frigates in my mind. A step up, not down. Now if Pakistan can buy and build another class of ships several years from now, they should be able to avoid block obsolescence thirty years into the future. This is something Pakistan have always had to face in the past using surplus ships. Its easier to replace four ships than it is to replace six or eight ships at approximately the same time with brand new ships. Spread the new builds out.....

This applies to submarines as well. Two building periods with two classes of ships and/or submarines ten years apart.....

During the ten year period when the navy isn't buying and building frigates and submarines, spend funds for the secondary ships such as patrol boats, hydrographic ships and mine countermeasures ships. Doing so will keep those shipyard workers busy full time all the time....

There are rumors about Pakistan wanting more advance frigates than the F-22P class from China.

 

[Sea Toby]

There are rumors about Pakistan wanting more advance frigates than the F-22P class from China.

Yes, I hear a FTP is upcoming, with China most likely offering the Type 054. As with almost every Pakistan naval project, it eventually comes down to financing.....

With the F22Ps, the first ship took four years to deliver. But the Type 054 ships could end up being too expensive, with the possibility of the Pakistan government ordering more F22Ps.

Frankly, there is no hurry to build more new ships. If Pakistan buys the used FFG-7s from the US, Pakistan could wait a few years to order any more new ships when the financing is available.

Its my opinion, that its better to wait and order ships about ten years apart to AVOID block obsolescence. Four now and four ten years later. Keep in mind four years have passed since the last order. Pakistan has other important things to buy and build in the meantime, such as submarines. Its easier to find the financing for four new ships than finding the financing for eight new ships at one time....

While its nice to have ships of the same class, no where is it written in stone....

The Pakistan surface fleet is a defensive fleet, attempting to keep the Indian navy out of Karachi harbor. Pakistan's offensive ships are submarines, not surface warships....

 

[tphuang]

The isssue with Pakistan is that it needs to also have a commercial market for its shipyard. In the long run, local production of a couple of military ships really can't support a shipyard.

 

[Sea Toby]

That will never happen as Pakistan doesn't have the financial clout to provide the financing for ships it builds for others. Since Pakistan does honor its debts and loans, they are able to finance their own ships, especially when other nations provide low interest loans for their purchases. Having said this, the shipyard in Karachi has built smaller ships for both military and commercial.

In the past and probably in the future, Pakistan has and will continue to acquire used ships. Not so much for quicker delivery but due to overall costs including a financial package. If China had not offered the F22P ships with a great financial package Pakistan would not have bought them.

The same applies to any future new purchases as well. Pakistan's navy is considering acquiring new submarines, more frigates, and possibly corvettes in the near future.

 

[mysterious]

So, would the talk - I've been hearing off and on - about possible MILGEMs seem fairly accurate? I do remember that its a ToT agreement between Turkey and Pakistan. When is the first one expected to be delivered to the Pakistan Navy?

 

[mysterious]

Pakistan Navy Acquires ASW Helicopters from China

KARACHI: Pakistan Navy has acquired Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) helicopters Z9EC from China.

The induction ceremony was held here on Wednesday at Naval Aviation Base. Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir was the chief guest on the occasion. This is the first batch of the series of six helicopters to be procured as per the contract signed with M/s China National Aero Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC).

The Z9EC helicopters have been built according to the specific requirements of Pakistan Navy and are capable to detect and destroy submarines. The aircraft is configured to carry torpedoes and is fitted with state-of-the-art pulse compression radar, low frequency dipping sonar, radar warning receiver and doppler navigation system.

Talking to the media men after the inauguration, the chief guest said that these days the Indian ocean is experiencing intense activity and around 100 ships from different countries are operating at all times for safeguarding their interests. These extraordinary developments are an indicator of the importance of the trade routes in these waters. Pakistan Navy is also conducting continuous deployment of ships and aircrafts to guarantee guarding our maritime interests.

Commenting on the regional stability, the naval chief denied being part of any arms race but expressed resolve to maintain quality in naval platforms and enhancement of capabilities in consonance with the developments in the region.

He also expressed his full confidence in Chinese technology and termed it compatible with the Western one. “Pak-China relationship is time-tested and would further be strengthened with such defence collaborations like F-22 P frigates and Z9EC helicopters projects,” he added.

Earlier, in his welcome address, Commander Pakistan Fleet Rear Admiral Asif Sandila highlighted salient features of Z9EC project. He apprised that apart from China, Pakistan is the first country that would operating these helicopters in ASW role. Later, the helicopter made fly past and staged demonstration of its characteristics and maneuverability.

Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Luo Zhao Hui, representatives of M/s CATIC and a large number of senior naval officers and aviators of Pakistan Navy attended the ceremony.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


So it seems, with the arrival of the first F-22P frigate in Pakistan, the Z-9s have started to make their way as well. Does anyone know how many were delivered to Pakistan in this 'batch' which the report keeps mentioning?

 

[tphuang]

they are delivering a total of 6 Z-9Cs overall and I think they are all going to be delivered soon.

 

[shag]

anyone got a link to the Z9EC specs ??

 

[Sea Toby]

anyone got a link to the Z9EC specs ??

Its a Chinese built based on a French helicopter. I would assume similar characteristics as a Sea Lynx helicopter. They were bought to replace the Sea Lynx. The Z9EC isn't as large as a Seahawk or Merlin, but it should be able to do the job of ASW as a lighter weight helicopter. Very suitable for Pakistan's needs if its suitable for Chinese needs....

I can't find a link to the Z9EC, but can find a link to the Dauphin. Link to Eurocopter Dauphin, which should be similar:

Eurocopter Dauphin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tphuang]

you can check here
Chinese Military Aviation
I suppose they could get something like Z-9D too if they want.

 

[SURB]

pakistan navy have 2 z9ec hellis currently,which arrived at karachi along with the f22 firgade, according to local media and magazine like THE NEWS.

 

[SURB]

In the past there was some talk about AGOSTA 90B upgradation.......Is upgradation actually taking place?.......if yes what kind of upgradation is planned, i mean related to weapon system like adding torpedo tubes or something else?:coffee

 

[hovercraft]

In the past there was some talk about AGOSTA 90B upgradation.......Is upgradation actually taking place?.......if yes what kind of upgradation is planned, i mean related to weapon system like adding torpedo tubes or something else?:coffee

Mesma AIP system, two of three subs are upgraded. To increase the diving period to two weeks.

 

[SURB]

Is Pakistan working on the naval version of cruise missile babar? (there were stories and rumors about it since the first test)Will it be loaded on current subs i mean the agosta 90B or the new subs(u214)?
Will Pakistan need to fit a vertical lauching system (on subs):?for these:and if this happened will it reduce the number of torpedo tubes.