Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions

SABRE

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3-4 I think.
I'll 2nd that. 3 at the minimum I believe but with Dephnies gone who knows. There is gap of 3 boats. Depending on the technology on board & the deal PN might go for 5 of these boats.

Still no news on PN inducting E2C AEW&Cs mounted on its P3C. I am beginning to think plans have been dumped.
 

divedeep

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Amusing.

1) Pure speculation by a news outlet that in 2003 reported that the USS Decatur (it turned out to be the USS McCain) was in an Indian port with "nuclear weapons".

2) Even if the GovP approved something on this scale could it afford even one boat with an imploding budget and a projected annual operating shortfall of $8 billion USD? President Zadari is off on a rescue mission to raise funds before Pakistan (along with Iceland) hit rock bottom and becomes a failed state.

3) In such an environment major procurement programs-get cut. My projection is that this project is dead. The PN is better off building 2-3 A90B just to keep domestic unemployment down.
 

WAR

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Amusing.

1) Pure speculation by a news outlet that in 2003 reported that the USS Decatur (it turned out to be the USS McCain) was in an Indian port with "nuclear weapons".

2) Even if the GovP approved something on this scale could it afford even one boat with an imploding budget and a projected annual operating shortfall of $8 billion USD? President Zadari is off on a rescue mission to raise funds before Pakistan (along with Iceland) hit rock bottom and becomes a failed state.

3) In such an environment major procurement programs-get cut. My projection is that this project is dead. The PN is better off building 2-3 A90B just to keep domestic unemployment down.
This is true that there is a lot of speculation, and propaganda warfare. Further this is also true that Pakistan is in deep crisis as far as inflow of foreign exchange is concerned.

BUT....

This is also true that despite all that, we have been recieving a lot of funds secretely from the friendly countries who wish Pakistan to be strong and stable.

So I suppose, the procurement of subs would go along as per PN requirements. Yes there may be some delay owing to the ongoing crises and the governments engagement in war on terror, the suicide paradigm...etc.
 

BilalK

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Amusing.

1) Pure speculation by a news outlet that in 2003 reported that the USS Decatur (it turned out to be the USS McCain) was in an Indian port with "nuclear weapons".

2) Even if the GovP approved something on this scale could it afford even one boat with an imploding budget and a projected annual operating shortfall of $8 billion USD? President Zadari is off on a rescue mission to raise funds before Pakistan (along with Iceland) hit rock bottom and becomes a failed state.

3) In such an environment major procurement programs-get cut. My projection is that this project is dead. The PN is better off building 2-3 A90B just to keep domestic unemployment down.
The Pak Navy Chief of Staff said;
“Owing to our persistent efforts, the government has approved plans for acquisition of German 214 Class submarines to be built at Karachi Shipyard under transfer of technology programme."
 

divedeep

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This is also true that despite all that, we have been recieving a lot of funds secretely from the friendly countries who wish Pakistan to be strong and stable.
Even if this were true you would expect the funds to be held in a central bank account as a reserve for injections into the wider economy given the current ratings from Moody's for the country.

The Pak Navy Chief of Staff said;
“Owing to our persistent efforts, the government has approved plans for acquisition of German 214 Class submarines to be built at Karachi Shipyard under transfer of technology programme."
"Approved" does not mean anything substantial because no RFP have been issued to vendors nor any concrete contract signed. I can say a lot of things but until a legally binding declaration/exchange of value takes place I'm afraid it's all talk.
 
Even if this were true you would expect the funds to be held in a central bank account as a reserve for injections into the wider economy given the current ratings from Moody's for the country.



"Approved" does not mean anything substantial because no RFP have been issued to vendors nor any concrete contract signed. I can say a lot of things but until a legally binding declaration/exchange of value takes place I'm afraid it's all talk.
Given the current state of the Pakistani economy there might be some sort of deferred payments in the works. The German govt. was vouching for 1 billion Euros of the deal.
 

kay_man

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Given the current state of the Pakistani economy there might be some sort of deferred payments in the works. The German govt. was vouching for 1 billion Euros of the deal.
I an not so sure if any company is willing to take such a risk with payment. I mean subs are really expensive.

Also i dont think that there will be ToT available with an ordre of only 2 subs.
 

WAR

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Even if this were true you would expect the funds to be held in a central bank account as a reserve for injections into the wider economy given the current ratings from Moody's for the country.
Well, Pakistan is not a public or a private limited company. Ranking by Moody or for that matter from anyone does not necessarily hinder or play a pivotal role in a country to country (or state to state) dealing/ agreement for a military or other transaction. Pakistan is one of the most responsible nuclear state of the world.

Secondly, despite the ongoing monetary situation, Pakistan does have a robust and a very positive future. Any perception which entails a trust-gap is a mere speculation. As Pakistan always committed its international agreements and commitments.
 

funtz

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The frigate will be refurbished with anti-submarine missile and other latest systems at a cost of $ 65 million.
Is the ASW missile mentioned, the ASROC?

What sensor/weapon fit is PN purchasing in the 65 million $ package?
 

BilalK

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Is the ASW missile mentioned, the ASROC?

What sensor/weapon fit is PN purchasing in the 65 million $ package?
Probably not...we'll probably see the Mk.32 & 46 combo.

The rest will probably include Harpoon Block-II and hopefully some form of air defence...RAM and/or ESSM.
 

tatra

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Probably not...we'll probably see the Mk.32 & 46 combo.

The rest will probably include Harpoon Block-II and hopefully some form of air defence...RAM and/or ESSM.
I've been told only the launcher-arm was removed, with the below decks installation of the Mk13 still intact. If so, the arm (and STIR) could quickly be refitted. That would give instant Harpoon launch capability. The question is what SAM would be used: SM1 (but out of US service and already quickly going to various allies) or SM2 (as in the Australian upgrade)?
 

kay_man

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effects of economy

I just happened to read on another forum that due to the deep financial crysis that Pakistan is ni right now, President Zardari has put several military acquisitions on hold..including F-22p frigates and the next generation submarine programme.
Is this true...are there any souces for this new?
or is it just estimation by some.
 

StevoJH

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I just happened to read on another forum that due to the deep financial crysis that Pakistan is ni right now, President Zardari has put several military acquisitions on hold..including F-22p frigates and the next generation submarine programme.
Is this true...are there any souces for this new?
or is it just estimation by some.
I honestly don't know, but what i do know is that a frigate for 63Mil is a steal, they would be paying probably 10 times that for a newly built one. If they could get a few more cheap OHP's they would be very well off, as long as they do the job that is required of them.
 

SABRE

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I just happened to read on another forum that due to the deep financial crysis that Pakistan is ni right now, President Zardari has put several military acquisitions on hold..including F-22p frigates and the next generation submarine programme.
Is this true...are there any souces for this new?
or is it just estimation by some.
I have not heard of any such thing. Finance Adviser to PM (substitute for Finance Minister) held a press conference today & mention no such thing. However I am sure they will be some delays, except (may be) on F-16 upgradation (for which USA is paying). F-22Ps might be delayed but not by far. At least the constructed one should be inducted soon.
 

mysterious

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Well I dont think any cutbacks are occurring in the F-22P program since much of it was financed via a loan from China I believe [correct me if I'm wrong]. Here are two pictures reportedly from 28.Jan.09 of Pakistan Navy's first F-22P Frigate returning from sea-trials. It is expected to be handed over to Pakistan by July 2009.
 

mysterious

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Local Pakistani media are reporting that the Chinese will hand over the first F-22P frigate over to Pakistan Navy on 30th July. Would be interesting to find out what the final specs are and by when the PN is expected to commission the frigate to active service following trials.
 

cheetah

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Under Sino-Pak joint project, first F-22P Frigate constructed for Pakistan Navy at Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai, China was delivered to Pakistan Navy on Thursday.The delivery ceremony was followed by Commissioning of the ship, in which Pakistani flag was hoisted on the ship with band playing Pakistani National Anthem. The ceremonies were attended by distinguished guests from Chinese Navy, Chinese Govt Authorities and senior officers of Pakistan Navy.Chief guest for the ceremony, Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Noman Bashir NI(M) while addressing the guests said that the successful and timely delivery of the First F-22P Frigate has been made possible by superb cooperation of the leadership of PLA(Navy), SASTIND, CSSC, Hudong Shipyard and CSTC.He said that with passage of time the relationship between Pakistan and China has grown deeper and fonder in all spheres of defence and economic cooperation. Pakistan is indeed proud of close association with China and this unique relationship does not draw any parallel elsewhere in the world.


He said that F-22P Frigate project is the manifestation of everlasting strategic partnership between Pakistan and China.Earlier, while welcoming the guests at Commissioning ceremony, Head of Pakistan Mission and the Chief Naval Overseer, Commodore Mahmood ur Rehman SI(M) said that the successful culmination of the first F-22P Frigate is the result of ardent efforts and exceptional professional competence of all personnel involved in this project, right out its inception.Work on design and construction of F-22 P ships started in year 2005 after signing of a contract between MoDP and CSTC of China for construction of three ships in China and one at Karachi Shipyard. While first F-22P ship is now heading to Pakistan, all other three ships are at different stages of construction.Talking to Chinese media, Admiral Noman said that one of the important aspects of his visit was the interactions and discussions on how to further they can make progress and strengthen the relationship at all levels.



To a question, he said Pakistan, China relations were multidimensional and both countries had understanding on many issues. Both countries were co-operating in various civil as well as defence projects, he added.About India Nuke submarine, Admiral Noman said although it was launched two days back, we knew it for a long time. Indian, he said had their own security perspective, but Pakistan believed that the presence of Indian nuclear submarine changes the security calculus of Indian Ocean. Pakistan, Admiral Noman said, did not want to follow arms' race as "we have our own priorities".He said, "we are fully alive to our security and taking all necessary measures to safeguard it. In this regard he referred to acquisition of P-22 frigates for Pakistan Navy.


Admiral Noman Bashir pointed out that Chinese military production industry maintained very high quality and standard and Pakistan wanted to benefit from their achievements.To a question on security of Indian Ocean, Admiral Noman said it was very important for many reasons. The Ocean is main artery for oil supplies and it connected the East with the West as a result a large number of cargo ships passed through it every day."The Ocean is very important not only for Pakistan and China but for the entire world therefore Pakistan don't want to see it monopolise by any country. So, this is important for all the countries in the world including Pakistan which is located on the mouth of Gulf to make sure that the India Ocean remains peaceful", he added.
ASIAN DEFENCE: First F-22P Frigate delivered to Pakistan
 
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