T-90 Tank

[Feanor]

I am outside of Russia unfortunately (or perhaps not, as I would've been drafted last spring). However I read multiple Russian newspapers. If a new tank was shown publicly for the first time, it would be all over not just Russian sources, but international ones too. But everything is quiet. Most sources didn't even bother to mention the "tank day" celebrations.

 

[extern]

Most sources didn't even bother to mention the "tank day" celebrations.

Celebrations were as usually: Kubinka (near Moscow), N-Tagil, Omsk and other centers. Two examples of T-95 have come to Kubinka, but was not shown for public, only for military tops. Instead the captured Georgian vehicles were shown:

 

[Feanor]

Celebrations were as usually: Kubinka (near Moscow), N-Tagil, Omsk and other centers. Two examples of T-95 have come to Kubinka, but was not shown for public, only for military tops.

How do you know? Do you have an article or an inside source? And finally, will they by any chance be shown publicly later this year or early next year?

EDIT: Cool pics by the way.

 

[extern]

How do you know? Do you have an article or an inside source? And finally, will they by any chance be shown publicly later this year or early next year?

A number of well known nick-names on the Russian mil fora, who have been proved previously as a reliable source from UVZ, confirmed the departure of two T-95s to Moscow. I cannot give href here coz it contradicts the rules of DTF.

Naturally if they intend to start the serial production, no cause to not show it publicly. As I wrote before they promised to show it many time. Last time it was in summer. The pictures remained classified however. THe tanks are tested in Kubinka but were covered by the mantle. It's appeared T-95 has the same rolls as T-90 - it was confirmed now after same information was rumored on the forum. So I can guess, it has 6-roll chassis.

T-day in N-Tagil:

 

[gillberk]

The T-90 is an auto-loader, which means it has a lower profile and will be a bit harder to hit. this also means it will have a higher-rate of fire.

In favor of the Abrams, I believe that the ballistics for the 120 mm gun are superior to the 125 mm Russian gun. so, if the Abrams gets the chance to fire first, it will probably win.

however, if for some reason the Abrams doesn't score a lethal hit with the first shot (which I find kinda hard to imagine) the T90 will probably do better the longer the fight goes on.

but here's my question-- given that the T90 is only an incremental redesign of the T72 (which the Abrams has never really had THAT much trouble with) if they fight each other openly, the Abrams will win.

40 km apart isn't going to give the T90 the chance to dig in, which would almost guarantee a victory for it.

Well, is 40 km too short? I would think that the T-90's laser guided missiles would make this a more or less comfortable range of battle.

And auto-loaders being faster is a myth. Human loaders are quicker.

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[Feanor]

Those are all T-90 tanks with the exception of one BMPT poster. They're not evidence of anything other then an extensive advertising campaign. Again nice pics. Some good rear shots (not something very common, most prefer dramatic frontal or side shots). So then, do your reliable inside sources know of when it is likely to be seen? And could you by any chance send the link to that forum to me in a pm?

 

[nevidimka]

hey nice pics, But I prefer frontal and side shots of the T 90. And kinda disappointed, there's no presence of even a mockup of the T 95.

 

[extern]

Here a vid from Stability-2008 exersises near N-Novgorod with T-90s fording a river.

Interestingely these antiterrorist exersises are following as a month with 30000 mil stuff, 2000 tanks etc involved on all Russian territory and seas. A big antiterrorist iron fist!

 

[Leo81]

Plans are in place to at least upgrade 60% of existing M1 series to M1A2 SEP standard, that is the plan at the current time.

In 2006 I was hearing about what might be called SEEP. w/ reactive armor, comanders 'crow' sys. along with upgraded optics and fire control. I got the chance to be with the first division to recieve the SEP in 2002/03

 

[nevidimka]

In 2006 I was hearing about what might be called SEEP. w/ reactive armor, comanders 'crow' sys. along with upgraded optics and fire control. I got the chance to be with the first division to recieve the SEP in 2002/03

ERA for M1? hmm.. interesting. Hows it progressing? Did the K5 win the hearts of the US army?

 

[Waylander]

Some kind of ERA for a future Abrams upgrade wouldn't surprise me at all.
Modern western MBTs are reaching their limits regarding weight and ERA is good way of covering weak points, especially against CE weapons.

ERA is also nothing new in the US Army.
The USMC M60s got it right before ODS, the Brads use it till now and the TUSK kit for the Abrams also uses ERA.

The same goes for the rest of the west.
Israel used ERA for some of their upgrades of older tanks like the M60 but didn't use it for their Merks.
The UK used ERA on the lower frontal hull of their Challi 2s but are in the process of replacing it with solid armor.
Germany uses ERA to cover the top of the PzH2000.

It is just a different kind of approach. The west thinks that ERA is a usefull item especially if one wants to cover weak spots without increasing the weight. But in the end the west tends to use modern solid armor everytime space and weight allow it.
For Russia (and to some extent other countries) on the other hand ERA is an integral part of their main armor and works closely together with their normal solid armor. They do not only see some sort niche solution in it but as an important part of their overall protection concept with the same importance like traditional armor.

 

[Feanor]

Here a vid from Stability-2008 exersises near N-Novgorod with T-90s fording a river.

Interestingely these antiterrorist exersises are following as a month with 30000 mil stuff, 2000 tanks etc involved on all Russian territory and seas. A big antiterrorist iron fist!

All exercises must have a theoretical opponent. For political reasons you can't say "We're practicing fighting a Chinese-style opponent in a major battle". Obviously the Chinese would be offended. So you say that they're anti-terrorist manouevers.

 

[eckherl]

Some kind of ERA for a future Abrams upgrade wouldn't surprise me at all.
Modern western MBTs are reaching their limits regarding weight and ERA is good way of covering weak points, especially against CE weapons.

ERA is also nothing new in the US Army.
The USMC M60s got it right before ODS, the Brads use it till now and the TUSK kit for the Abrams also uses ERA.

The same goes for the rest of the west.
Israel used ERA for some of their upgrades of older tanks like the M60 but didn't use it for their Merks.
The UK used ERA on the lower frontal hull of their Challi 2s but are in the process of replacing it with solid armor.
Germany uses ERA to cover the top of the PzH2000.

It is just a different kind of approach. The west thinks that ERA is a usefull item especially if one wants to cover weak spots without increasing the weight. But in the end the west tends to use modern solid armor everytime space and weight allow it.
For Russia (and to some extent other countries) on the other hand ERA is an integral part of their main armor and works closely together with their normal solid armor. They do not only see some sort niche solution in it but as an important part of their overall protection concept with the same importance like traditional armor.

This is surely what Leo81 is referencing to, TUSK 1 and 2 packages that are installed on some of the Abrams series tanks in Iraq.

 

[313230]

What is the difference between TUSK 1 and 2

 

[extern]

All exercises must have a theoretical opponent. For political reasons you can't say "We're practicing fighting a Chinese-style opponent in a major battle". Obviously the Chinese would be offended. So you say that they're anti-terrorist manouevers.

Yeah, antiterroristic they are at least oficially, while they are still following up in Far East, Ice Ocean and Siberia. With nuke strikes simulation. The last figure about total participation is 47 thousands mil. personals, 2000 units armor.
BTW: the name of new unified modernisation program for both T-90 and T-80 is 'Burlak'. They even put an order for trenager for it: source

 

[Feanor]

ОКР "Бароскоп-199" «Разработка комплекта учебно-тренировочных средств для объекта 199» с марта 2008 г. по ноябрь 2011 г.;

What is object 199? The new tank? Isn't the T-95 supposedly object 195?

 

[extern]

What is object 199? The new tank? Isn't the T-95 supposedly object 195?

No, object 199 = BMPT

 

[eckherl]

What is the difference between TUSK 1 and 2

ERA package.

 

[nevidimka]

Interesting development. Russian tanks ( I believe T 90's) will be fitted with night vision from Thales. The ToT for Russian license production has been signed. Its hard to believe these type of ToT could happen during the cold war.

http://en.rian.ru/video/20081020/117841689.html

 

[Feanor]

It's been that way for a while. Russian T-90A have Thales thermals, just like the India T-90S.