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Preceptor

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Aliph Ahmed said:
I see. So Prithvi is a SAM now that can be kept liquid fueled for 10 years. Interesting.

Why make a claim when you can not support it by links ?
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I would suggest that one conduct a little research when disputing statements other forum members make, particularly when details are provided. In this case, articles like this provide some corroborating information about a Prithvi-based interceptor.

Also, please refrain from making baiting or argumentative comments. They add nothing to members' collective knowledge to the level of discussion or debate found on DT.
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Aliph Ahmed

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Preceptor said:
I would suggest that one conduct a little research when disputing statements other forum members make, particularly when details are provided. In this case, articles like this provide some corroborating information about a Prithvi-based interceptor.

-Preceptor
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The debate in question is the claim by Kams that liquid fueled Prithi can be kept fueled and stored for upto 10 years on which I expressed my reservations. (I still stand by them).

I never questioned the event taking place.

You'r input will be appreciated.
 
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kams

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One more report where Dr.V.K.Saraswat specially refuted this notion about liquid fuelled Prithvi,

Replying to a question on whether there was a refueling problem with the surface-to-air 'Prithvi' missile, he said the Army had been using it since 1994 and was "very happy" with its functional capabilities.

"Pirthvi missile can be fuelled anywhere though it is generally done in depots. But once this missile is fuelled, it has a life of 10 years," he said.
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aaaditya

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hey guys,check out this interesting link and article ,it contains the list of missiles that are being developed as a follow up to the igmdp.

here si the link and the article:

http://deccanherald.com/Content/Feb192008/national2008021953075.asp

After winding up A P J Abdul Kalam’s integrated missile programme, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has identified five new-age missiles, which will keep the missile scientists busy for the next five years.
The indigenous beyond-visual range air-to-air missile Astra and submarine launch capable K-15, which will complete India’s nuclear triad are the two key missiles in this bouquet.
A long range surface to air missile being developed jointly with Israel for the navy, supersonic cruise version of Brahmos and more than 5000 km range version of Agni are the remaining three which were conceptualised outside the integrated programme, Dr Prahlad, one of the chief controllers at the DRDO said on the sidelines of the ongoing Defexpo-2008 here on Monday.
The much-awaited K-15 that can be launched from an underwater platform is almost ready as DRDO is getting ready for its sixth and possibly last developmental flight. “The test can be done any day in February-March as we are waiting for clearances,” he said.
When ready the 700-km range K-15 will be a part of the indigenous nuclear-submarine being developed by the navy and department of atomic energy. DRDO began developing the K-15 almost 10 years ago.
“The missile is ready for integration. It’s up to the navy to provide the platform. Only they know the timeline for the platform,” Dr Prahlad said. The indigenous nuclear submarine – known as advanced technology – is believed to be ready for trial in 2009.
Long-range missile
The long-range surface to air missile (LR-SAM) for the navy is another missile, which DRDO hopes to complete in the next three years. The missile with 70 km range is being developed jointly with Israel and 30 Indian scientists are working on the project in Israel.
Being created in a Rs 2000 crore project, the Indo-Israeli missile will shoot down maritime aircraft, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles.
While India is responsible for developing one stage of the LR-SAM and C4I system – command, control, communication, computing and intelligence – Israel Aerospace Industries will be for the second stage.
The missile will be assembled in India while flight tests would be carried out in both countries before the missile is ready for the navy, Dr Prahlad said ruling out that the missile was a long range version of Barak.
A Rs 1000 crpre project to develop beyond visual range capable Astra with a range of 80 km will take five more years to complete. After testing the individual components, the integrated missile is now being dovetailed with MiG and Jaguar fighters for flight trials, he added.
 
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Aliph Ahmed

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kams said:
One more report where Dr.V.K.Saraswat specially refuted this notion about liquid fuelled Prithvi,

Pirthvi missile can be fuelled anywhere though it is generally done in depots. But once this missile is fuelled, it has a life of 10 years," he said.


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I am convinced that what you claimed is a " masterpiece " of bad Indian journalism.

I searched everywhere and I have come to the following conclusion that He meant that once fueled, it is only good for ten years after which it will be discarded. Either way. it has to be defueled.

It doesnt say anywhere that it can be stored fueled for upto 10 years.
 
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kams

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Aliph Ahmed said:
I am convinced that what you claimed is a " masterpiece " of bad Indian journalism.

I searched everywhere and I have come to the following conclusion that He meant that once fueled, it is only good for ten years after which it will be discarded. Either way. it has to be defueled.

It doesnt say anywhere that it can be stored fueled for upto 10 years.
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You are free to draw your own conclusions!

If interested read about thixotropic propellents.
 
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aaaditya

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hey guys,great news here,it seems that india has successfully testfired an underwater launched ballistic missile called the k-15 from an underwater pontoon launcher ,this missile is to arm indian nuclear submarines,when they are ready and has a range of about 700 kms.
 
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niteshkjain

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good news:)
India successfully test fires K-15 ballistic missile

Tuesday, 26 February , 2008, 13:20
Last Updated: Tuesday, 26 February , 2008, 15:17

: India on Tuesday test-fired an indigenously developed nuclear-capable submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) from an undersea location off the Orissa coast, an official source said.


“The missile was launched around 1 pm,” the source said of the sixth test of the 700-km range Sagarika missile.

Since the Indian Navy does not have a submarine capable of firing an SLBM, the test firing was conducted from an underwater launcher positioned 50 metres under the surface of the sea and 8 km off the Orissa coast.

Prahlada, Chief Controller of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) that developed Sagarika, said earlier this month it was also readying for a “crucial” test of the missile from a submarine. “We have asked the navy for a submarine to enable us conduct the test,” Prahlada told reporters during the DEFEXPO International Defence Exposition on February 16-19.

However, this could be a while away as Russia is yet to respond to the Indian Navy's request for loaning an Akula-class submarine that is capable of launching SLBMs. The navy's Russian-made Kilo-class submarines and the German-designed HDW submarines do not have the capability to fire such missiles.

The success achieved last year with exo-atmospheric (outside the atmosphere) and endo-atmospheric (within the atmosphere) anti-ballistic missiles, as also with the surface-to-air Akash missile, had apparently encouraged DRDO scientists to test the Sagarika again.

Powered by a turbojet, the missile can carry a 500-kg payload. It is 8.5 metres long and about a metre in diameter.

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14610814
 
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Aliph Ahmed

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niteshkjain said:
good news:)
India successfully test fires K-15 ballistic missile

Tuesday, 26 February , 2008, 13:20
Last Updated: Tuesday, 26 February , 2008, 15:17

: India on Tuesday test-fired an indigenously developed nuclear-capable submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) from an undersea location off the Orissa coast, an official source said.


“The missile was launched around 1 pm,” the source said of the sixth test of the 700-km range Sagarika missile.

Since the Indian Navy does not have a submarine capable of firing an SLBM, the test firing was conducted from an underwater launcher positioned 50 metres under the surface of the sea and 8 km off the Orissa coast.

Prahlada, Chief Controller of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) that developed Sagarika, said earlier this month it was also readying for a “crucial” test of the missile from a submarine. “We have asked the navy for a submarine to enable us conduct the test,” Prahlada told reporters during the DEFEXPO International Defence Exposition on February 16-19.

However, this could be a while away as Russia is yet to respond to the Indian Navy's request for loaning an Akula-class submarine that is capable of launching SLBMs. The navy's Russian-made Kilo-class submarines and the German-designed HDW submarines do not have the capability to fire such missiles.

The success achieved last year with exo-atmospheric (outside the atmosphere) and endo-atmospheric (within the atmosphere) anti-ballistic missiles, as also with the surface-to-air Akash missile, had apparently encouraged DRDO scientists to test the Sagarika again.

Powered by a turbojet, the missile can carry a 500-kg payload. It is 8.5 metres long and about a metre in diameter.

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14610814
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Let us hope it just not a test firing following the path of other missiles of India's integerated missile program that was close down after inducting only two missiles as of today and the Indians actually do induct it in service and on time. :rolleyes:
 
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kams

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Aliph Ahmed said:
Let us hope it just not a test firing following the path of other missiles of India's integerated missile program that was close down after inducting only two missiles as of today and the Indians actually do induct it in service and on time. :rolleyes:
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funtz

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Aliph Ahmed said:
Let us hope it just not a test firing following the path of other missiles of India's integrated missile program that was close down after inducting only two missiles as of today and the Indians actually do induct it in service and on time. :rolleyes:
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Do you even know what missile this is? For all that article shows it could be a modified Prithvi or Agni.
So will that come in the "the only have inducted two, as of now" category of yours. Or is there a new one you have come out with.
:eek:nfloorl:

And what happens when Akash is inducted this year, it becomes "only three, as of now" :D

All of that seems to fade away considering the operational status will only come once the nuclear submarine that will carry these things is commissioned into the navy.

One more thing from the article
However, this could be a while away as Russia is yet to respond to the Indian Navy's request for loaning an Akula-class submarine that is capable of launching SLBMs.
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So the Akulas are launching BMs. now, hey the russians have so many surprises.
 
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niteshkjain

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Mr. Aliph can you please back up your claims with some hard evidence.
As per my understanding goes different versions of the same missiles (by name) doesnt means that they are the same.

Please enlighten us
 
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crobato

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I never heard of an Akula class capable of launching BMs. None of them ever had that capability, or ever will. And not even VLS.
 
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funtz

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crobato said:
I never heard of an Akula class capable of launching BMs. None of them ever had that capability, or ever will. And not even VLS.
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I know that is the funny part about this report.
Very little details have been given out about this test and every one is jumping to conclusions.
 
SABRE

SABRE

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I have merged Indian thread. You may find few posts here & there instead of their original position - I apologize for that.

If any problems you can contact me or other concerned mods or the admin.

Thanks!
 
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niteshkjain

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Good news

Sea-to-land version of supersonic Brahmos missile test fired
A ship-to-shore version of the supersonic Brahmos missile was successfully test fired in the Andamans today.

Defence Ministry announced that the missile with a range of more than 290 kms was launched from the deck of the Russian acquired missile destroyer INS Rajput and precisely hit a land target in one of the islands.

"The missile met all mission parameters and the test has established the sea to land capability of the formidable weapon system," a Defence Ministry spokesman said.

This was the 15th test of the missile jointly developed by Russia and India. Scientists have already carried out successful tests of the ship-to-ship version as well as Surface-to-surface version of the multi-role missiles.

The induction of Brahmos has already begun in the Navy as well as Army. Defence Research and Development Organisation is now developing air-to-ground and submarine-launched version of the missile.

Defence Minister A K Antony congratulated the naval team as well as scientists for the success of the ship-to-land version of the missile.

also check this news
UNITED NEWS OF INDIA


Islamabad, Mar 5: Pakistan today said the introduction of new weapon systems should be avoided in the region for the sake of poverty alleviation. ‘’India had informed Pakistan before the launch of sea-borne surface-to-surface missile but we believe that the introduction of new weapon systems should be avoided in the region,’’ Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Sadiq told a press briefing in Islamabad.
He added regional countries must focus on improving social indicators and alleviate the poverty in the region.
To a question about the progress towards the resolution of the Kashmir issue, Mr Sadiq said “there is a need to make serious efforts to resolve the core issue of Kashmir and all Pakistani political parties too share this view.” He added “there is an opportunity and it must be seized to reach a just settlement of the dispute acceptable to Pakistan, India and Kashmiris.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=6_3_2008&ItemID=36&cat=21

Can anybody give any reason why pakistan is saying such things?
 
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niteshkjain

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With due respect SABRE

first and second points are well taken, but how it is going to effect deterrence in any way. Seems like pakistan is saying as china's proxy.
 
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