Indian Nuclear & Missile Development, News & Discussions

[indian bull]

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[Aliph Ahmed]

Go to the military information websites please, that will keep you occupied for the rest of your life.

Try to take a look at the different versions of Agni.

And the difference between ordering and induction is "production" which for all you know is going on.

The missile development program is not a factory or a production line up responsible for producing/manufacturing the missiles, they develop them

The "Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme":
- Has delivered on Three accounts (according to your logic of five missiles- its more like Five projects). (Prithvi, Agni, Akash.)
- Will conduct tests for a forth one. (Nag)
- Reached the technology demonstrator version for the fifth one. (Trishul)

I see you have discovered the joys of editing, welcome to it eh.

and you are the same guy who was claiming LCAs doing 630 flights per day !!

I dont understand. What is wrong in admitting the facts ? Just admit it and move on. Why do you have to talk rubbish for the sake of posting.

The FACT is that only two are inducted as of today !! .

 

[funtz]

If you wish to drag on a typing error into all discussions, you need to grow up.

You seem to forget that saying this thread was about the Missile development program and not the Indian Army or the Indian Air Force or the navy.

And the comments are on the status of the missile development program instead of the number or type or date of induction/inductions.

That was the point.

What are you going on about, two are inducted as of today?

It is not a missile, it is a project. A initial technology demonstrator version, followed by the production versions and the variants.

The agni project, associated equipment and its variants.

The Prithvi project, associated equipment and its variants.

The Akash and its associated equipment.

The Trishul and its A E.

The Nag and the assiciated equipment.

It is more than a missile!!!

If you are talking about two projects going into operational state, then yes that is correct, however that includes more than two missiles.
And that does not refer to the projects being closed.

Thats a fact, Jack. You got to get it right.

 

[funtz]

Mod edit: Quoted text removed by Moderator due to language

What has this got to do with Pakistan, talking of Co$# and Text deletedHo$#2

Man more civilized ways of expressing opinions exist.

Mod edit: Text deleted from post.
-Preceptor

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

If you are talking about two projects going into operational state, then yes that is correct.

Finally !!

 

[funtz]

Ya well genius, with your statement of "only two are inducted"

These things were bound to happen,

The topic is India's Intergerated Military Program which revolved around 5-6 missiles. All of them were suppose to be inducted " very soon " for the past 15+ years.

The FACT is that as of today, ONLY TWO are inducted.

Missiles in SERVICE-

SS-150 (Printvi I) - For IA
SS-250 (Prithvi II) - For IAF
Dhanush (ProthviI/II derivative with stabilized platform) - for IN

Agni I (Single stage solid fuel )
Agni II (2 Stage Solid fuel )
Agni II AT - (2 stage solid fuel , Booster made of Maraging steel, 2nd stage composite) (??)

For someone who criticizes others for typing errors a little attention to his own posts is required

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Ya well genius, with your statement of "only two are inducted"

These things were bound to happen,

Missiles in SERVICE-

SS-150 (Printvi I) - For IA
SS-250 (Prithvi II) - For IAF
Dhanush (ProthviI/II derivative with stabilized platform) - for IN

Agni I (Single stage solid fuel )
Agni II (2 Stage Solid fuel )
Agni II AT - (2 stage solid fuel , Booster made of Maraging steel, 2nd stage composite) (??)

I cant find any link on the induction of Agni 1, Agni IIs and Dhanush.

Is it a fact or misinformation on your part ?

 

[funtz]

V.K. Aatre, chief of the Defence Research and Development Organisation
(DRDO) and scientific advisor to the defence minister, said two other
versions of the Agni -- that translates into fire in Hindi -- with ranges
of 700 km and about 2,000 km were being produced and inducted into the
armed forces.

http://www.indianembassy.org/i_digest/2004/jan_15/agni.htm

NS Subhadra P51; Commissioned - 25 January 1990 - retrofitted with Dhanush stabilizer
INS Suvarna P52; Commissioned - 04 April 1991 - retrofitted with Dhanush stabilizer

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Sukanya.html

The Sukanya class ships are capable of carrying ballistic missiles. The Dhanush SRBM (Prithvi-III) is fitted on INS Survarna and INS Subhadra. The missile is capable of carrying conventional and nuclear warheads. The missile stabilization platform enables the ship to fire the missiles even during stormy conditions at sea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukanya_class_patrol_craft#_note-0
WIKI be so EASY

Navy, IAF induct Prithvi
22 Aug 2006, 0131 hrs IST,Rajat Pandit,TNN


The Navy, in turn, is weaponising its Sukanya-class large patrol crafts with Prithvi's "Dhanush" variant, which has a strike range of 250-km to 350-km. "The fitment of Dhanush on INS Survarna and INS Subhadra, for instance, is well underway," said an official.

"The missile stabilisation platform on the warships enables Dhanush, which can carry both conventional and non-conventional warheads, to be fired even in stormy weather," he added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1914005.cms

Glad to be of help.

And by the way i was quoting KAM, you should have asked him.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Glad to be of help.

And by the way i was quoting KAM, you should have asked him.

Good to see you talking facts and figure FINALLY. Anyways, I appreciate your efforts.

You shouldnt post other's quotes if you are not into full agreement with them.

This brings us back to the same conclusion:

Only two are inducted as of today and oh yes, spare me the offshoot versions.

 

[Preceptor]

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[Aliph Ahmed]

It takes a normal liquid fuel missile couple of hours to become launch ready. How does India intend to use it in a scenario where the reaction time required is 3-5 minutes ?

 

[Grand Danois]

It takes a normal liquid fuel missile couple of hours to become launch ready. How does India intend to use it in a scenario where the reaction time required is 3-5 minutes ?

That kind of reaction times doesn't seem nessecary with the possible conflicts India may face. Counterforce is not in play in this regard. Tactical battlefield and countervalue use should do the trick, and the typical fueling time of 25-30 min of a liquid fueled rocket shouldn't be an impediment.

As sophistication of the potential adversaries grows (i.e. China), solid fuelled rockets become more important. In this case, nice to have, but not ultimately required.

 

[kams]

That kind of reaction times doesn't seem nessecary with the possible conflicts India may face. Counterforce is not in play in this regard. Tactical battlefield and countervalue use should do the trick, and the typical fueling time of 25-30 min of a liquid fueled rocket shouldn't be an impediment.

As sophistication of the potential adversaries grows (i.e. China), solid fuelled rockets become more important. In this case, nice to have, but not ultimately required.

Prithvi is kept fuelled. After fueling it has a shelf life of 10 years. Periodic diagnostics need to be run, and these are automatic. Onboard health monitoring system will keep track of leaks/malfunctions if any. Transportation in fuelled state is risky and dangerous. But PAD will not move around as they are meant to protect strategic location and will have fixed firing points.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Prithvi is kept fuelled. After fueling it has a shelf life of 10 years. Periodic diagnostics need to be run, and these are automatic. Onboard health monitoring system will keep track of leaks/malfunctions if any. Transportation in fuelled state is risky and dangerous. But PAD will not move around as they are meant to protect strategic location and will have fixed firing points.

Prithvi interceptor missiles are solid fueled ? This is news to me. Can you please provide a link on the Prithvi Interceptor being a solid fueled ?

Because as far as I know, Liquid fueled missiles can not be kept fueled more then couple of hours. The fuel containers start leaking. but ( TEN) 10 years ?

Unless offcourse, India invented some new way of storing them for upto 10 years ?

 

[kams]

Prithvi interceptor missiles are solid fueled ? This is news to me. Can you please provide a link on the Prithvi Interceptor being a solid fueled ?

Because as far as I know, Liquid fueled missiles can not be kept fueled more then couple of hours. The fuel containers start leaking. but ( TEN) 10 years ?

Unless offcourse, India invented some new way of storing them for upto 10 years ?

Prithvi is liquid fuelled. It is kept under fuelled condition. After fuelling it has a shelf life of 10 years.

The concept that liquid fuel missiles have to be drained of fuel in 2 hours is totally outdated. It is true for cryogenic fuels. Even in 1950's Soviets had SA-2 SAM, which had a liquid fuelled second stage (fuelled by red fuming nitric acid and kerosene), even that was storable! Similar was the case with Nike Ajax of US. Rocket fuel technology has progressed since then, so is the mettlurgy!. DRDO has moved from high tensile Steel to Marraging steel and now to composite motors for it's missiles.

I do have DRDO press release referencing shelf life of Prithvi under fuelled conditions, but I have to dig it out of my hard disk.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Prithvi is liquid fuelled. It is kept under fuelled condition. After fuelling it has a shelf life of 10 years.

The concept that liquid fuel missiles have to be drained of fuel in 2 hours is totally outdated. It is true for cryogenic fuels. Even in 1950's Soviets had SA-2 SAM, which had a liquid fuelled second stage (fuelled by red fuming nitric acid and kerosene), even that was storable! Rocket fuel technology has progressed since then, so is the mettlurgy!. DRDO has moved from high tensile Steel to Marraging steel and now to composite motors for it's missiles.

I do have DRDO press release referencing shelf life of Prithvi under fuelled conditions, but I have to dig it out of my hard disk.

Oh DRDO... ? Will be waiting for the link. This I've got to read.

Maybe in the meantime, Grand Danois or some other more knowledegable members can share their knowledge.

 

[kams]

Oh DRDO... ? Will be waiting for the link. This I've got to read.

Maybe in the meantime, Grand Danois or some other more knowledegable members can share their knowledge.

Well it is the DRDO which builds PAD not North Korea, so info has to come from them, it will take me some time to search for them.
On the other hand why bother.

Instead of depending on others to do your reasearch why not use the internet to do a bit of search on Nike hercules, SA-2, SA-5, A-35 and other missiles. All these were SAMs and ABMs you know.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Well it is the DRDO which builds PAD not North Korea, so info has to come from them, it will take some time to search for them.
On the other hand why bother.

Instead of depending on others to do your reasearch why not use the internet to do a bit of search on Nike hercules, SA-2, SA-5, A-35 and other missiles. All these were SAMs and ABMs you know.

No. You are comparing a Surface to Surface missile and in this case an Interceptor missile with Surface to Air Missiles. There is no comparison.

I have very serious reservations in your claim without any link to support it that Prithvis can be kept fueled for upto 10 years thanks to DRDO.

Please provide link to support your claim.

Disadvantages of liquid propellant rockets include requirements for complex storage containers, complex plumbing, precise fuel and oxidizer injection metering, high speed/high capacity pumps, and difficulty in storing fueled rockets.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/missile/basics.htm

 

[kams]

No. You are comparing a Surface to Surface missile and in this case an Interceptor missile with Surface to Air Missiles. There is no comparison.

I have very serious reservations in your claim without any link to support it that Prithvis can be kept fueled for upto 10 years thanks to DRDO.

Please provide link to support your claim.

You do have a comprehension problem!

As you put it Prithvi in this case is is an interceptor which means it takes off from earth and goes in to air and tries to intercept the ballistic missile in the air! So it is essentially a SAM.

And you are showing your ingnorance about SA-5 (was also known as s-200, predecessor to s-300) and A-35! They were Soviet era ABM!

I don't give a rats A$$ about your reservations, or what you believe! Do your research yourself!

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

You do have a comprehension problem!

As you put it Prithvi in this case is is an interceptor which means it takes off from earth and goes in to air and tries to intercept the ballistic missile in the air! So it is essentially a SAM.

And you are showing your ingnorance about SA-5 (was also known as s-200, predecessor to s-300) and A-35! They were Soviet era ABM!

I don't give a rats A$$ about your reservations, or what you believe! Do your research yourself!

I see. So Prithvi is a SAM now that can be kept liquid fueled for 10 years. Interesting.

Why make a claim when you can not support it by links ?