Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]
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cheenamalai
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
I would rather suggest them to buy some new aircrafts then just upgrading the system or putting new technology in it. what do u think? wouldn't it be better to buy rafales then upgrading Mirage 3, cause i believe that Mirage 3 wouldn't be able to match the new generation of Aircrafts! :mad
adsH said:
I would rather suggest them to buy some new aircrafts then just upgrading the system or putting new technology in it. what do u think? wouldn't it be better to buy rafales then upgrading Mirage 3, cause i believe that Mirage 3 wouldn't be able to match the new generation of Aircrafts! :mad
mysterious
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
You need to read some books on ecnomies of scale (in this scenario, economies of scale achieved by already available logistical support and the fact that these aircraft could last out much longer after these needed upgrades). That is why I said, this is a practical forum and should not be mistaken for a fantasy one.
You need to read some books on ecnomies of scale (in this scenario, economies of scale achieved by already available logistical support and the fact that these aircraft could last out much longer after these needed upgrades). That is why I said, this is a practical forum and should not be mistaken for a fantasy one.
cheenamalai
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I know shit about the aircrafts...but i am just trying to get some thougths and i am also interested in the field of Aerospace so just kind of hanging around here. 
I think i can't see my country having less professionl aircrafts than India.
May be its kind of like an act of patriotismak or something else...
Well I believe that Pakistan should actually stable its economy rather than stabling its Armed Forces because we don't need to attack anybody.. If there WILL be an attack Pakistan is going to Lose no matter what unless they use their nuclear power..
But there is one more point if pakistan should have an Airforce it should consist of modern Aircrafts.
Thats why i said Grispen and Rafales 40 and 40 would be good(if we can get some):
I think i can't see my country having less professionl aircrafts than India.
May be its kind of like an act of patriotism
ak or something else...Well I believe that Pakistan should actually stable its economy rather than stabling its Armed Forces because we don't need to attack anybody.. If there WILL be an attack Pakistan is going to Lose no matter what unless they use their nuclear power..
But there is one more point if pakistan should have an Airforce it should consist of modern Aircrafts.
Thats why i said Grispen and Rafales 40 and 40 would be good(if we can get some)
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we have already discussed this 40 Gripens & 40 Rafale long time ago on this thread. 40 Rafales r quite alot. If u buy 40 of them u might not be able to buy Gripens after them. Its better to buy 60+ Gripens than 40 Rafales.cheenamalai said:Grispen and Rafales 40 and 40 would be good(if we can get some)
Besides that Rafales have high cost of maintainance.
Lets c, Bush should give Sweden go ahead with Gripen sell to Pak. I am still in touch with Gripen International. As soon as some thing comes up, I'll post it here. But it will take a long time.
Gripen Internation & SAAB r trying to establish production facilities (I mean, ToT) in different continets. They have already got one in Africa, 2 in Europe besides Sweden. Couple of South American countries r interested in Gripen purchase & one of them may get ToT. It does not full fil the needs of Australia & North America so it wont establish a facility there. Only Asia is left. Thats y Pakistan was applying for transfer of technology so they could make Gripens at home & sell it in Asian market approaved by Sweden. So if Pak becomes 1st Asian country to get it they might get ToT, but there is no word on that. I hope we do.
This package is not coming with Rafale. France is unwilling to let any country produce Rafale except for it self.
Re: F-16 sale ‘still on the table’
F-16 is no match for SU-30MKI, case is not the edge over Pakistan, the real thing is that India affraid of Pakistan that much that even if Pakistan will go to buy a knif from US they will start shivering. I wonder how they are suviving in this hacktic condition if US anounce F-16 sale than I am damn sure they will have a heart attack. GOD bless themmysterious said:
cheenamalai
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lol That's a flame bait. Here's another: Don't worry about our heart attacks, unlike Pakistan we have a good medical system.
Really man what's the use of making posts like "See India is scared blah blah"? Like anybody else India wouldn't want a rival to enhance its capability, I didn't see you post saying "China is afraid of Japan" when China expressed concerns over the change of doctrine of Japan.
You are definitely not adding to the topic either by making an anti-India flame bait. Yea sure you may not get banned, nor shall the anti-India comments be edited (surprise surprise), but why to let yourself stoop low and make such comments? You'll just end up giving a bad example of yourself.
Yea your dad was the official tank counter for the Indian Army ofcourse.
On Topic:
I'll agree with SABRE, Rafael's will be just too expensive for the PAF to operate. I suspect PAF will go with the F16's and will plan to induct some J10's to replace the Mirages and JF17's to replace their Chinese versions of Mig 21, I guess that's called the F7's?
Don't worry about our heart attacks, unlike Pakistan we have a good medical system
what made you say that , are you referring to the Kid that got treated in India, damn mann you must be very dense to think Pakistan doesn't have Cardio therasics or Cardio vascular Surgeons (Karachi is fullofem), lol this cracks me up, the kids family were in india where they were paying for the procedure. procedures like these don't come cheap not even in the US, unless you have med Insurance.
iguess they are the cheapest in the UK FREE
But the MKI has its advantages and the F-16 has its, they both can handle thme selves properly, i can't see why people think ones better then the other when both belong to different categories
what made you say that , are you referring to the Kid that got treated in India, damn mann you must be very dense to think Pakistan doesn't have Cardio therasics or Cardio vascular Surgeons (Karachi is fullofem), lol this cracks me up, the kids family were in india where they were paying for the procedure. procedures like these don't come cheap not even in the US, unless you have med Insurance.
iguess they are the cheapest in the UK FREE
But the MKI has its advantages and the F-16 has its, they both can handle thme selves properly, i can't see why people think ones better then the other when both belong to different categories
lol aren't you banned .. oh well I knew of this PHPBB exploit ..
cheenamalai,
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lol I thought PHPBB had fixed this bug by now, this bug is almost 4 years old.
cheenamalai,
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lol I thought PHPBB had fixed this bug by now, this bug is almost 4 years old.
Sri my friend I dont like to start a flame war I never indulge in a quarel with others in this forum. Please tell me why India putting pressure on US not to sell arms to Pakistan? Pakistan never tell any not to sell arms to anyone. This simply mean they are afraid. If not why they not remain quite on this matter, they are 3 to 4 times more powerful in every way then why so much noises? I am hearing from many months about this matter and this is the one reason which is making US to think a lot about F-16 decision. What India will do in case of France they were atlk between two countries and they will upgrade PAF mirages and may be agree to provide stuff for JF-17.srirangan said:
I dont want to hurt anyone if you dont like it then SORRY for my last comments.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Guys,
India is always using and maintaining its strategy regardless of whatever happens. It is not that they are scared, but they are just acting scared. As they got theirs, so does pakistan needs to put its game face on and raise a hue and cry against india. Chest thumping won't do any good to the pakistani cause but crocodile tears would.
Guys,
India is always using and maintaining its strategy regardless of whatever happens. It is not that they are scared, but they are just acting scared. As they got theirs, so does pakistan needs to put its game face on and raise a hue and cry against india. Chest thumping won't do any good to the pakistani cause but crocodile tears would.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Danm ! Another Indo Pak war on DT.
I'll give u this Sri; on technical bases F-16 is no match to Su-30. Only F-16 Block 60 C/D may come close to it. I dont even see Gripen a match. It only reaches 50,000 max hight compared to 60,000 of Su-30.
But hay, at the end of the day the best might get the lock on but the luckiest wll be the only on to leave the battle air alive.
Danm ! Another Indo Pak war on DT.
I'll give u this Sri; on technical bases F-16 is no match to Su-30. Only F-16 Block 60 C/D may come close to it. I dont even see Gripen a match. It only reaches 50,000 max hight compared to 60,000 of Su-30.
But hay, at the end of the day the best might get the lock on but the luckiest wll be the only on to leave the battle air alive.
omegasigma
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
I have the following observations and recommendations:
Observations:
1. The Pakistani economy cannot at this current state is barely able to maintain what it has in the inventory.
2. Without US assistance, in the prelude of the global war on terrorism, Pakistan cannot even continue #1.
3. The only possible choice for Pakistan to continue a credible airforce is by acquiring some F-16s from the US under non-NATO ally status and the guise of anti-terrorism assistance.
Recommendations:
1. Continue and increase the lobbying effort with the US for F-16 procurment under the assistance program.
2. Dramatically improve relationship with India, and in the next decade acquire a large fleet of LCAs from India. Also, sign a MOU with India to jointly build the next generation aircrafts.
Please do not flame me for this. Some of it may be wishful thinking on my part. If the Cold war can end, the Berlin wall can fall, so an Pakistan and India work together.
I have the following observations and recommendations:
Observations:
1. The Pakistani economy cannot at this current state is barely able to maintain what it has in the inventory.
2. Without US assistance, in the prelude of the global war on terrorism, Pakistan cannot even continue #1.
3. The only possible choice for Pakistan to continue a credible airforce is by acquiring some F-16s from the US under non-NATO ally status and the guise of anti-terrorism assistance.
Recommendations:
1. Continue and increase the lobbying effort with the US for F-16 procurment under the assistance program.
2. Dramatically improve relationship with India, and in the next decade acquire a large fleet of LCAs from India. Also, sign a MOU with India to jointly build the next generation aircrafts.
Please do not flame me for this. Some of it may be wishful thinking on my part. If the Cold war can end, the Berlin wall can fall, so an Pakistan and India work together.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
By the way, I do not see relationship between Pakistan and India improving their relationship much further than it is, nor I see Pakistan buying any LCA in the future. Good thoughts though.
Poor example. The end of cold war and the fall of Berlin wall are due collaspe of one side, not friendship towards each other.omegasigma said:
By the way, I do not see relationship between Pakistan and India improving their relationship much further than it is, nor I see Pakistan buying any LCA in the future. Good thoughts though.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
A joint venture with India would be interesting but its not possible. Any joint venture that is to take place will only be with China or France. Even USA is excluded
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This is for now a roumer as it is not yet been publicaly released. I got the news 2day from an inside reliable contact.
October2004; Joint commity (Members of Senet belonging to all 4 province + FATA+AJ&K &Norther Area) of Senet on the call from senior Airforce officials & Fedral defence secretery met to discuss current condition of PAF & its neighbouring countries.
The presided by Chairman Senet & led by Defence Sctry the senet "has" recoginzed current PAF possition as Dangerous. The 33 Aircraft loss with out a battle in last 4 yrs has caused great deal of concern. On this base the Senet commity have decided to pass the 1953 resolution for upgrading & modernising of Airforce. (1951 senet made a bill that will allow any section of armed forces to aquire extra funds---it was this bill that allowed PAF to ground its ww2 AirCrafts & buy F-86(Sabres/CL-13), F-104 Star Fighters,T-33 trainers, C-130, Mirages from 1951 to 70s & the same bill gave a go ahead to F-6[Mig-19]....The bill was made & approved by PM Ch.Muhammad Ali, Governor General Ghulam Muhammad, Central & provisional Defence ministry & secretariot(nol onger exists)....the Bill was later included in 1962-3 Constitution of Ayub Khan & in 1973 it was again passed into the new constitution by ZAB..but was later removed. Now its making its 4th return)
The bill gives go ahead to PAF to buy any 3 Modern age AirCrafts on its list. All purchases would be financed by Senet.
The bill approaved amount of 4 Billion to 6 Billion for a 10 to 12 year Plan. All maintainance & training costs will have to come from PAF budget.
The extra amount does not include the amount PAF gets ever 4 yr for purchase of new jets which it has not done since in 1980s & now may only be used for maintainance & training cost .
The Bill also allowes AirCraft purchase from any country except Israel & India (I wounder y this was included, like we will buy from them).
The bill is only obliged to be approaved by President, Defence ministry, Senet & the prime minister. It need not go to Assembly unless national assembly calls on it.
-----------------------------------Thats it, for now treat it as a roumer till Senet Chair Man sumons the bill to the house. It takes long time since the bill was 1st formed in 1950 & was approaved in 1953. this time it may gain take 2 to 3 yrs.
I think this is y ACM was saying new jets in 3 yrs.
Why r we making JF-17, if we want LCA. Its a load of Cr@P.
A joint venture with India would be interesting but its not possible. Any joint venture that is to take place will only be with China or France. Even USA is excluded
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This is for now a roumer as it is not yet been publicaly released. I got the news 2day from an inside reliable contact.
October2004; Joint commity (Members of Senet belonging to all 4 province + FATA+AJ&K &Norther Area) of Senet on the call from senior Airforce officials & Fedral defence secretery met to discuss current condition of PAF & its neighbouring countries.
The presided by Chairman Senet & led by Defence Sctry the senet "has" recoginzed current PAF possition as Dangerous. The 33 Aircraft loss with out a battle in last 4 yrs has caused great deal of concern. On this base the Senet commity have decided to pass the 1953 resolution for upgrading & modernising of Airforce. (1951 senet made a bill that will allow any section of armed forces to aquire extra funds---it was this bill that allowed PAF to ground its ww2 AirCrafts & buy F-86(Sabres/CL-13), F-104 Star Fighters,T-33 trainers, C-130, Mirages from 1951 to 70s & the same bill gave a go ahead to F-6[Mig-19]....The bill was made & approved by PM Ch.Muhammad Ali, Governor General Ghulam Muhammad, Central & provisional Defence ministry & secretariot(nol onger exists)....the Bill was later included in 1962-3 Constitution of Ayub Khan & in 1973 it was again passed into the new constitution by ZAB..but was later removed. Now its making its 4th return)
The bill gives go ahead to PAF to buy any 3 Modern age AirCrafts on its list. All purchases would be financed by Senet.
The bill approaved amount of 4 Billion to 6 Billion for a 10 to 12 year Plan. All maintainance & training costs will have to come from PAF budget.
The extra amount does not include the amount PAF gets ever 4 yr for purchase of new jets which it has not done since in 1980s & now may only be used for maintainance & training cost .
The Bill also allowes AirCraft purchase from any country except Israel & India (I wounder y this was included, like we will buy from them).
The bill is only obliged to be approaved by President, Defence ministry, Senet & the prime minister. It need not go to Assembly unless national assembly calls on it.
-----------------------------------Thats it, for now treat it as a roumer till Senet Chair Man sumons the bill to the house. It takes long time since the bill was 1st formed in 1950 & was approaved in 1953. this time it may gain take 2 to 3 yrs.
I think this is y ACM was saying new jets in 3 yrs.