Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

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P.A.F

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Oqaab, we can't just have one main aircraft in the PAF. we need a new aircraft so that the PAF can ease down the pressure on the old mirages and f-16's
 
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Oqaab

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Roger Smith said:
1) Political factor: Pakistan has been labelled for a long time supporting Islamic fundamentalist elements. The Western countries would not like to see their ACs in the hands of those elements.
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U are completely wrong. France sold more then 150 Mirages to Pakistan. Also upgraded our F-16s.

Apart from aircrafts, France sold Agosta subs which are a threat to Indian navy. Scorpane deal not signed.

2) Financial factor: Donor countries and financial institutions to Pakistan, would not like to see their funds diverted for purchase of ACs instead developing the infrastructure of the country. Today, if Pakistan were able to accumulate $12 billion forex, it is due to the support of the donor countries and financial institutions and without their assistance Pakistan would not have survived.
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1. Pakistan has been saving money since one decade. 1.42 billion were saved because 71 F-16s were not supplied.

2. Economy better then before. Many(indians) believe Pakistan is spending 5-6 billion over defence.

3. As stated by ACM, PAF has 2 to 2.5 billion to spend over 4th generation fighters.

So no more MISINFORMED/MISLEADING statements. The Mirage 2000-5s are available any time. Do U want links ?
 
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Oqaab

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

P.A.F said:
Oqaab, we can't just have one main aircraft in the PAF. we need a new aircraft so that the PAF can ease down the pressure on the old mirages and f-16's
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We can have versions. Just like what france did. Starting from Mirage III to Mirage 2000-9. The only difference is in Avionics, range and engine.

The recent ROSE III upgrade shows that this aircraft will serve for another 5 to 6 years.
 
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P.A.F

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yes true but trust me. it's better to have a range of aircraft rather then just one.
 
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Roger Smith

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Oqaab said:
Roger Smith said:
1) Political factor: Pakistan has been labelled for a long time supporting Islamic fundamentalist elements. The Western countries would not like to see their ACs in the hands of those elements.
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U are completely wrong. France sold more then 150 Mirages to Pakistan. Also upgraded our F-16s.

Apart from aircrafts, France sold Agosta subs which are a threat to Indian navy. Scorpane deal not signed.

2) Financial factor: Donor countries and financial institutions to Pakistan, would not like to see their funds diverted for purchase of ACs instead developing the infrastructure of the country. Today, if Pakistan were able to accumulate $12 billion forex, it is due to the support of the donor countries and financial institutions and without their assistance Pakistan would not have survived.
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1. Pakistan has been saving money since one decade. 1.42 billion were saved because 71 F-16s were not supplied.

2. Economy better then before. Many(indians) believe Pakistan is spending 5-6 billion over defence.

3. As stated by ACM, PAF has 2 to 2.5 billion to spend over 4th generation fighters.

So no more MISINFORMED/MISLEADING statements. The Mirage 2000-5s are available any time. Do U want links ?
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I would appreciate to see/read your link on Mirage 2000-5 being offered to PAF. :smokingc:
 
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adsH

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roger your purposely being childish and ignorant here i know thats not you. the french don't give a damm who they well there weapons too, they would never stop supply to pakistan just because india would ask them too, if that were to be true Pakistan would not be one of there major clients while india is negotiating Mirage 2005 while it has mirage 2000, and scorpions on the table.

PLease use some common sense and less of that Jealously patriotic Cloak.

French have always offered PAF what they have to offer the world and thats what ever AFs can afford. cheer :)
 
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P.A.F

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

and jack shirac said that he doesn't wish to see an imbalance between the two. :smokingc:
 
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Roger Smith

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adsH said:
roger your purposely being childish and ignorant here i know thats not you. the french don't give a damm who they well there weapons too, they would never stop supply to pakistan just because india would ask them too, if that were to be true Pakistan would not be one of there major clients while india is negotiating Mirage 2005 while it has mirage 2000, and scorpions on the table.

PLease use some common sense and less of that Jealously patriotic Cloak.

French have always offered PAF what they have to offer the world and thats what ever AFs can afford. cheer :)
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Please don't be annoyed, I am giving just my opinion only. :smokingc:
 
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P.A.F

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

it ain't about if we can discuss something new. i feel that pakistan itself has given up on the f-16's and would be happy to maintain it's current bunch. so there is no point now to bring the f-16 into the PAF equation.
 
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mysterious

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Jaguars? Why would you want Jaguars for PAF when IAF already has years of experience on using that AC?? :eek Tornedo, I dont think it fits the PAF's intended role of a frontline fighter. This thread has been going of for too long now. I suppose we all just narrow down our choice to one most suitable AC for the PAF to bring this chapter to a close. :smokingc:
 
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Aussie Digger

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Since PAF has $5 Billion to spend on a fighter, I'd say Rafale for the following reasons. 1. Easiest genuine 4th Generation platform to acquire. 2. It's the most capable platform that is likely to be available to the PAF. 3. Definite upgrade path and high growth potential (upcoming F3 standard, future AESA radar to be installed, future advanced Weapons capability such as Meteor, ASMPA, Small Diameter Bomb etc) 4. Limited political hassle's acquiring such aircraft. 5. Immediate qualitative edge over likely adversaries and full NATO inter-operability. 6. Potential Maritime version should Pakistan choose to acquire an aircraft carrier at some point. 7. Potentially quickest acquisition time for 4th Gen fighter, due to no other foreign customers in the queue ahead of PAF and only "fairly" limited French acquisition (232 or so airframes).
 
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SABRE

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

mysterious said:
This thread has been going of for too long now. I suppose we all just narrow down our choice to one most suitable AC for the PAF to bring this chapter to a close.
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Well the choice has been narrowed. We have discussed this question on the header quite alot now n evaluated many jets. Now the majority has only three jets on their minds & out of which two are real hot favorite.

1)Gripens
2)Rafeal (Hot favorite)
3)EF-2000 (Hot favorite)

& the poll is there to ocmpletely narrow down the choice for only one jet.

Aussie Digger said:
Since PAF has $5 Billion to spend on a fighter, I'd say Rafale for the following reasons. 1. Easiest genuine 4th Generation platform to acquire. 2. It's the most capable platform that is likely to be available to the PAF. 3. Definite upgrade path and high growth potential (upcoming F3 standard, future AESA radar to be installed, future advanced Weapons capability such as Meteor, ASMPA, Small Diameter Bomb etc) 4. Limited political hassle's acquiring such aircraft. 5. Immediate qualitative edge over likely adversaries and full NATO inter-operability. 6. Potential Maritime version should Pakistan choose to acquire an aircraft carrier at some point. 7. Potentially quickest acquisition time for 4th Gen fighter, due to no other foreign customers in the queue ahead of PAF and only "fairly" limited French acquisition (232 or so airframes).
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Good Choice Aussie. Thats my choice too. We already have french overhaul facility for mirages, we can turn them into overhauling facility for Rafeal aswell (if its possibe to turn mirage overhaul into Rafeal's). We are the second country to use French fighters in large quantity after France it self, so the PAF pilots have some experiance with the French technology.
ppl shouldnt worry tht Rafeal hasnt been in a combat so we dnt knw how good it is. French mirages dint see any battle but we bought them & they performed what it promissed in 1965 & 71 & still is. Your points are worth consideration.

I also think we r also going to become second country after China to induct J-10 but this shouldnt effect the induction of any other Front line Jet.
 
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umair

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In actuality, the inservice guys are more in favour of the Typhoon than the Rafale.(both lead the pack in terms of general prefference over other types in the opinion of my PAF acquaintances)
 
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adsH

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Benifits of getting a multi national Platform: EF2000,

You have more then one sources of getting spares means you cannot be over charged for it. A higher level of technology input involved, including future upgrades that would certainly be from the best researchers the world has to offer. International reputation

As Aussie mentioned NATO interoperability is important because Pakistan works with coalitions.

EF2000 has one of the most advace Avionic/Radar the UK has to offer, the F35 would have significant Avionics that originated from the UK.

Quality of the platform is garnered to be better then most other suppliers since BAE pays great attention to Quality, Safety and operability.
 
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ashoaib

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

mysterious said:
Jaguars? Why would you want Jaguars for PAF when IAF already has years of experience on using that AC??
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I want EF-2000 for PAF I dont want Jaguars and Tarnedos I was just asking are they suit PAF? nothing else

adsH said:
Benifits of getting a multi national Platform: EF2000,

You have more then one sources of getting spares means you cannot be over charged for it. A higher level of technology input involved, including future upgrades that would certainly be from the best researchers the world has to offer. International reputation

As Aussie mentioned NATO interoperability is important because Pakistan works with coalitions.

EF2000 has one of the most advace Avionic/Radar the UK has to offer, the F35 would have significant Avionics that originated from the UK.

Quality of the platform is garnered to be better then most other suppliers since BAE pays great attention to Quality, Safety and operability.
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See Euro is better and it is some what fifth gen not fourth gen like Rafale. I think Ef2000 is something 4.5 gen.
P.A.F said:
Euro-fighter 2000 all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;) ;) ;)
 
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Oqaab

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Roger Smith said:
Sorry, I do not read Urdu.

I prefer the link for a non-Pakistani news media, which will be more credible.

Thank you.
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The link is from Pakistan's official news service.

Jang is better then those (Indian) sources which which claims arjun was successful. lol.

Sorry to say," truth bites ".
 
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