Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[SABRE]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

thats right. Other countries have habit of poking their nose in many international deals, therefore many countries now days prefer not to speek out in pre period of actual deal being finalized.

I always remember what my maternal Grandfather tells me: "No news is good news"

Just dnt spread the news. Good things will come to you,or at least this is good theory for defence deals.

 

[srirangan]

>> I always remember what my maternal Grandfather tells me: "No news is good news"

Those are indeed very wise words

 

[webmaster]

48 pages gone, whats the answer to the question asked in the subject line?

*cheers till another 48*

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

well if pakistan didn't ask for the gripens then we sould go for them. but if sweden refused then we should get the rafale or euro-fighter or more f-16s or even some mirages :. i don't know man theres to many options and each aircraft is good for different things. but i would PROBABLY go for the eurofighter if the swedes have refused us the gripen

 

[SABRE]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

We cant just go & buy some thing like that. We learned our lesson. We wont buy any thing that has risk behind it. Gripens probably do. EF-2000 is joint venture between Germany, Italy & Britain. We might get clearance from German's & Italians (Both's diplomatic & Military teams have recently visited Pakistan) but we cant trust the British. The EF-2000 British equipments might be bared by Britain under US pressure. So the only good option left is Rafeal. I my self prefer Rafeal. Atleast overhauling facility could be setup earlier with french help.

PAF your right. We have too much to choose from. Pak is like a child standing in a candy shop & has been givin a choice to buy any 1 (or may be 2 but thts abt it).

After discussing so much on this forum, Webmster u must put on a poll for which jet PAF should buy. From what I ve learned from this thread my answer is "Rafeal". End of the story.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

good point there about the rafale and the overhauling facility. but we can still go for the euro-fighter if we don't put british stuff in it :. my heart is still on the gripens or if not then rafale as a second chioce

hey webwaster can u please setup a poll for this thread?

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

british stuff is good. Briton never stoped supply of any defense articles till the N test fiasco (when the world stoped arms supply) . Briton is a reliable and a responsible supplier. It (briton) would never terminate support for its supplied equipment.
If you get any other AC the same would occur if the situation is or were to be repeated.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

on top of that i'm sure that briton would not hesitate to sell the euro-fighter to pakistan except if the US says no .

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

on top of that i'm sure that briton would not hesitate to sell the euro-fighter to pakistan except if the US says no .

hey !! the US has no say in this,Its our technology and we can sell it to who ever we want to. I can't see why the US would object, and that the Uk would listen to the objection, the UK does not try and stop US from supplying its tech fighter or other weapons to nations that we have problems with.

 

[PAKISTANI_9JAWAN]

l don,t deny the fact that israeli avionics are good, but lets remember that israel is not an innovator but instead a refiner and improver of copied technologies.
Miragelll.....kafir ring a bell. The python story ?
israel buys american and then copies then claims it as something new.Most countries do this now. On the hand however,
Swedish avionics has a long history and a good one as well. Most of all being an innovator.
Ask NASA how much of their space technology is from swedish and japanese origin.
Indian planes may have israeli avionics, but hey what a combination, israeli avionics, russian plane parts and engine though not always on time and of poor quality, indian software, indian construction of the whole thing, odds and ends from various parts of europe, and we have a so called indeginous indian plane of which about 10% is made in india.
" The JF17 looks forward to meeting the light combat ASS"

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

and how does what you said relate to the title of this thread :?

 

[SABRE]

l don,t deny the fact that israeli avionics are good, but lets remember that israel is not an innovator but instead a refiner and improver of copied technologies.
Miragelll.....kafir ring a bell. The python story ?
israel buys american and then copies then claims it as something new.Most countries do this now. On the hand however,
Swedish avionics has a long history and a good one as well. Most of all being an innovator.
Ask NASA how much of their space technology is from swedish and japanese origin.
Indian planes may have israeli avionics, but hey what a combination, israeli avionics, russian plane parts and engine though not always on time and of poor quality, indian software, indian construction of the whole thing, odds and ends from various parts of europe, and we have a so called indeginous indian plane of which about 10% is made in india.
" The JF17 looks forward to meeting the light combat ASS"

& This one belongs in FC-1/Super-7/JF-17 thread.

Webii Swaping needed !!!

U made mistakes PAKISTANI-9JAWAN. You left right replies in wrong places. Your reply to this thread is lying in JF-17 thread.

 

[ashoaib]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

on top of that i'm sure that briton would not hesitate to sell the euro-fighter to pakistan except if the US says no .

If Briton would not hasitate than we should go for EF-2000 coz it worth more than its cost and maintanance expenses. PAF badly need this type of high tech offense for Pakistan's defence.

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

on top of that i'm sure that briton would not hesitate to sell the euro-fighter to pakistan except if the US says no .

If Briton would not hasitate than we should go for EF-2000 coz it worth more than its cost and maintanance expenses. PAF badly need this type of high tech offense for Pakistan's defence.

briton would sell the fighters with no hesitations at all. the US would not say anything since the US supports BAE system as its own local firm and it supports sales to allied nations, But having said that The US government does not have control over our technology, were pritty much independent. And we can sell our products to anyone who we think deserves it. if the US tells us not to of-course we would give it a good think though but the US has never tried to prevent a sale from our end. we have our own parliament that decides on export control licenses.

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

on top of that i'm sure that briton would not hesitate to sell the euro-fighter to pakistan except if the US says no .

If Briton would not hasitate than we should go for EF-2000 coz it worth more than its cost and maintanance expenses. PAF badly need this type of high tech offense for Pakistan's defence.

briton would sell the fighters with no hesitations at all. the US would not say anything since the US supports BAE system as its own local firm and it supports sales to allied nations, But having said that The US government does not have control over our technology, were pritty much independent. And we can sell our products to anyone who we think deserves it. if the US tells us not to of-course we would give it a good think though but the US has never tried to prevent a sale from our end. we have our own parliament that decides on export control licenses.

i doubt any one can buy Ef2000 from Germany, BAe is the marketer of the AC. Ef2000 is basically a british Jet

 

[Roger Smith]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

I doubt if Pervez Musharraf's government would buy or contract for any AC like Swedish Grippen or EF2000 and spending $3 to 4 billion on this factor. No donor countries Japan, USA & EU as well financial institutions IMF, ADB, World Bank, Paris Club will not allow Pakistan to divert funds from country infrastructure spending to defence. Pakistan has been buying for PAF low cost AC from China and second French Mirages from rest of the world to maintain its air force.

This is my personal opinion.

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

I doubt if Pervez Musharraf's government would buy or contract for any AC like Swedish Grippen or EF2000 and spending $3 to 4 billion on this factor. No donor countries Japan, USA & EU as well financial institutions IMF, ADB, World Bank, Paris Club will not allow Pakistan to divert funds from country infrastructure spending to defence. Pakistan has been buying for PAF low cost AC from China and second French Mirages from rest of the world to maintain its air force.

This is my personal opinion.

rogger you underestimate PAF resolve in acquiring Cutting edge AC's, PAF does not need these in large ammount they need them to keep the edge sharp while all the rest of the AC would be home made JF-17 and Chinese 4th gen J-10. Presd. Mush has already stated that Security comes first, so i don't think IMF or anyone can stop Pakistan from doing what they want to.

 

[Revival_786]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Roger, Pak has been saving money for the airforce for AGES now (the money won't have to be diverted from anywhere). If they have to spend 5+ billion on a high tech AC, so be it.

 

[Roger Smith]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

I am not trying to be funny but realistic. Since 9/11 the USA alone has written off Pakistan's debts of nearly $ 4 billion as well EU and Paris Club, most of donors countries have rescheduled Pakistan debts for another 30 to 40 years. Prior 9/11 Paksitan total debts were nearly $90 billion (external $38 billion and internal debts $50 billion) almost 150% of the GDP. Now Pakistan external debts are $32 billion and the internal debts still stands at the same amount. Pakistan annual budget is $12 billion, 75% is spent on defence and debts servcing, remaining $3 billion is for the economy and development as well infrastructure of the country. Currently Pakistan foreign exchange reserves are at $12 billion.

Even PIA bought 6 second hand Cathay Pacific Airways Boeing 747-300 and recently bought 3 new Boeing 777, but mortgage the entire PIA company to Bahama company.

Where you expect PAF will find $5 billion to finance hi-tech AC like Grippen or EF-2000? Just curious!!!!! :?

My response is to adsH and Revival_786 in general and not against any individual or organization or country.

Thank you.

 

[ashoaib]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Roger Smith, PAF has saving its budget from more than a decade. As you know that it had not bought high tech ACs from years. Its reserves are full of money so PAF dont need mush assistance from gevernment to buy ACs. It can afford 3 billion easily if need assistance than government can provide 2 billion additional. Debts are big problems for Pakistan but defence is more important like in the past when our government didnt had much reserves some thing 700 millions it bought tanks from Ukraine not few hundreds of them and that time Pakistan was in more control of IMF.
I think Pakistan should go for EF-2000 whatever it cost. Its more worth than a cost and we need good offence for better defence.