Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Rogger i would rather not get into the Details here but External debt and internal debt are two differnt things, its the external debt that costs the money to flow outward from the inner circular flow, the Inner debt is recycled monney, pakistan total budget allocation was around 9-10 billion dollar this year and 75 percent figure that you just quoted is unrealistic it was never specified at this Fig, the majority of external Loans have now been rescheduled and softened upp, the remaining are expensive loans which are being paid off in-fact recently Pakistan paid off one of the most expensive loans. Rogger be realistic here 3 billion dollars is not enough to runn all the public services including defense which has a budget of arround 3 billion dollars its self, then there are development plans that Pakistan is spending onn heavily, PIA is a ritch company it has assets around the world it owns Hotel chains and is operating with a profit it has recently bought long haul boeing 777 ER and there were 8 of them this was bought on soft loans provided by the US(Fleet replacement program). the US is providing 700 mill $ this year and is planning to proveid the promised 3bn $ soon, Pakistan now only owes the US 500 mill & dollar after the current right offs (there would be another right off soon). pakistans estimated income ie exports equal about 12 bn dollar increasing at high percentage. i don't see how you always try and talk down about pakistan every nation acknowledges the strives made by pakistan over the past 3-4 years and every one knows Pakistan is one of the Fastest growing economies in south asia, once FTA is allocated to Pakistan then Pakistan will definitely see a bigg increase in export and manufacturing sector.Roger Smith said:
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Well adsH, Roger Smith is quite right in his figures. He is not talking about debt serving alone he also include defence. 75% is defence and debt serving combine. After 9/11 Pakistan get relaxation of five years so now debt serving is about 35% till 2007 and defence is also 35% total 70% and remaining 40% for all other things thats why people are Miserable
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Guys all tht u should no is tht PAF gets alot of money every year. Out of which PAF saves alot of money (they have to according to the rule they set them selves) this is called reserve savings. Than they also collect some money for new Jets from the total budget they get (this they do every year,
& thus they ve 2nd saving reserves) Than they actualy get money for new Jets ever two years.
So collectively for 13 yrs PAF has been getting money for new jets + saving money on its own for new Jets + saving reserves = a whole lot of money + some loan from the governmet = a whole lot of money to buy new jets, establish overhauling facility & may be even buy the tech.
This does not include PAF spendings on JF-17.
We made this report in my college. I am a business student u knw. Me & my friends gave presentation on Macro & Micro Defence budget of Pakistan. We also had figures but they r lying some where in college record books.
Guys all tht u should no is tht PAF gets alot of money every year. Out of which PAF saves alot of money (they have to according to the rule they set them selves) this is called reserve savings. Than they also collect some money for new Jets from the total budget they get (this they do every year,
& thus they ve 2nd saving reserves) Than they actualy get money for new Jets ever two years.
So collectively for 13 yrs PAF has been getting money for new jets + saving money on its own for new Jets + saving reserves = a whole lot of money + some loan from the governmet = a whole lot of money to buy new jets, establish overhauling facility & may be even buy the tech.
This does not include PAF spendings on JF-17.
We made this report in my college. I am a business student u knw. Me & my friends gave presentation on Macro & Micro Defence budget of Pakistan. We also had figures but they r lying some where in college record books.
Roger Smith
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Please show me some articles or links on website, where PAF has extra funds holdings for purchase of ACs.
Thank you.
Of course, PAF is allocated funds every year from the Pakistan government or defence ministry to run the organization in term for paying salaries of PAF personals, buying spare parts for AC, maintaining bases etc etc. Usuallly if an organization could not spend the funds allocated by the government within a budget period, the same is returned to the government to update the balance-sheet and to close the account respectively.SABRE said:
Please show me some articles or links on website, where PAF has extra funds holdings for purchase of ACs.
Thank you.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
ur question abt Which aircraft can only be answered by the ACM. We cant only hope & make preceptions & give our preferance.
I prefer Ef-2000 over Rafeal but would still settle for Rafeal cause of the low risk factor.
How much longer?
hmm. ACM said 3 yrs (1 has passed) 2 left to go.
Hope we atleast see any one of these : Gripens, EF-2000 or Refeal.
hmm. We wont be buing 100 jets. besides i herd tht the empty inventory is set to 80 but we ll be buying 40 of one type of thejet (e.g: if we buy gripen we 1st would buy 40 of the not 80) so the room for 40 jets is still empty, which means ACM has two jets on his mind. May be 60 of one & 20 of another & also we will have to establish overhauling facility so we wont spending all our money on Jets.P.A.F said:
ur question abt Which aircraft can only be answered by the ACM. We cant only hope & make preceptions & give our preferance.
I prefer Ef-2000 over Rafeal but would still settle for Rafeal cause of the low risk factor.
How much longer?
hmm. ACM said 3 yrs (1 has passed) 2 left to go.
Hope we atleast see any one of these : Gripens, EF-2000 or Refeal.
Roger Smith
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Frankly, I doubt if PAF will have any other new AC than FC-1/JF-17 in its inventory in the near future plus refurbished F-16A/B from block 15 standard.
If PAF is able to obtain any of these ACs, French Rafale, Eurofighter EF-2000 or Swedish Grippen, than I would say GOOD LUCK to PAF.
Good luck to you guys and happy hunting for PAF's ACs.
Frankly, I doubt if PAF will have any other new AC than FC-1/JF-17 in its inventory in the near future plus refurbished F-16A/B from block 15 standard.
If PAF is able to obtain any of these ACs, French Rafale, Eurofighter EF-2000 or Swedish Grippen, than I would say GOOD LUCK to PAF.
Good luck to you guys and happy hunting for PAF's ACs.
Roger Smith
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
My choice of AC for PAF is Eurofighter EF-2000, I have voted.
Good Luck.
My choice of AC for PAF is Eurofighter EF-2000, I have voted.
Good Luck.
Roger Smith
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
1) Political factor.
2) Financial factor.
The aforementioned are the two main factors for PAF. I am sorry but it is the facts of life.
There are two problems for PAF to obtain Western ACs.P.A.F said:
1) Political factor.
2) Financial factor.
The aforementioned are the two main factors for PAF. I am sorry but it is the facts of life.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
the financial factor can be brushed aside because the PAF has the money to afford any western aircraft.
and the political side? well no body can stop france britian or sweden from selling high tech weapons to pakistan. if pakistan wanted it can buy mirages as i speak but they don't want to yet.
the financial factor can be brushed aside because the PAF has the money to afford any western aircraft.
and the political side? well no body can stop france britian or sweden from selling high tech weapons to pakistan. if pakistan wanted it can buy mirages as i speak but they don't want to yet.
Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
Anyways, the best option is, upgrade the JF-17.
I was talking about weapons. Erieye was not considered as a weapon.SABRE said:Ya n few days after that Media reported tht Sweden will sale SAAB 2004 & AWACS to Pakistan.
Real dnt knw whome to trust.
Anyways, the best option is, upgrade the JF-17.
Roger Smith
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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?
This is a free world and everyone can express the views. Let me elaborate on the point raised by me.
1) Political factor: Pakistan has been labelled for a long time supporting Islamic fundamentalist elements. The Western countries would not like to see their ACs in the hands of those elements.
2) Financial factor: Donor countries and financial institutions to Pakistan, would not like to see their funds diverted for purchase of ACs instead developing the infrastructure of the country. Today, if Pakistan were able to accumulate $12 billion forex, it is due to the support of the donor countries and financial institutions and without their assistance Pakistan would not have survived.
The aforementioned are the bottomline and facts. If you do not believe me, ask some intelligent Pakistani if my comments are right or not.
P.A.F said:
This is a free world and everyone can express the views. Let me elaborate on the point raised by me.
1) Political factor: Pakistan has been labelled for a long time supporting Islamic fundamentalist elements. The Western countries would not like to see their ACs in the hands of those elements.
2) Financial factor: Donor countries and financial institutions to Pakistan, would not like to see their funds diverted for purchase of ACs instead developing the infrastructure of the country. Today, if Pakistan were able to accumulate $12 billion forex, it is due to the support of the donor countries and financial institutions and without their assistance Pakistan would not have survived.
The aforementioned are the bottomline and facts. If you do not believe me, ask some intelligent Pakistani if my comments are right or not.