Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[ashoaib]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Why not buy some Su-27 may be 40 of them and upgrade and fit with western tech. it will become deadly. Plz dont say that India have Su-30MKI and SU-27 dont match with it. In that way JF-17 also dont match with SU-30MKI. If anyone talk about SU-30 than why Pakistan is making JF-17?
Actually JF-17 is not for SU-30s but for other India ACs coz India dont have All SU-30s in His Air Force. Similarly SU-27 will not be for SU-30 only.

 

[adsH]

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i have always been under the impression that the SU30MKI has a distinct role that is differnt to the role of JF-17. i would think the JF-17 is an intercepter that would play a distinctive defensive role in collaboration with Ground and Airborne Assets. mainly designed to intercept Fast incoming bomber Sorties like SU-30MKI - 27. The SU-30 would have to infiltrate deep into Pakistani Territory to Take out strategic Ground C&C Assets, and it would face the Wroth of SAM+AEW&C+A variaty of Antiquated But updated Fighter AC and the 150-200 JF-17. this is some serious defense.

 

[SABRE]

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hmmm. Ok we got the defence adsH, what about the offense?

Guess J-10 would be good with JF-17s. J-10 doing the offensive actions n JF-17 defending them.

But we still need a hight tech aggressor like Gripen, Mirage2000-5 etc.

 

[P.A.F]

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i think the eurofighters back in the question. they have just been fixed and have no problems with em.

 

[lalith prasad]

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yes but from where will u get 75million dollars for each aircraft.besides too many nations are involved in that project.

 

[P.A.F]

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we can afford it. and it's only UK, Spain, Germany, Italy mainly.

 

[P.A.F]

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where did you get 75 million from. The plane will cost about £30m each. :smokingc:

 

[corsair7772]

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Why not buy some Su-27 may be 40 of them and upgrade and fit with western tech. it will become deadly. Plz dont say that India have Su-30MKI and SU-27 dont match with it. In that way JF-17 also dont match with SU-30MKI. If anyone talk about SU-30 than why Pakistan is making JF-17?
Actually JF-17 is not for SU-30s but for other India ACs coz India dont have All SU-30s in His Air Force. Similarly SU-27 will not be for SU-30 only.

I agree with the su-27 theory. As the PAF is expected to have something like 50~60 JF-17s by 2010 and perhaps 30 J-10s, one can hardly blame us for going for the flanker to boost our ranks. Also the Flankers can be fitted for a variety of tasks. Fitting it with a JH-7 radar can make it capable for strike missions or perhaps with a grifo -7 for the interceptor role. theres a whole varity available. And its the same for the engines. Whats to stop the PAF from equipping the Flanker with the RD-33. As its dimensions and loadings are the same as the Mig-29 theres no reduction in the thrust ratios. The J-11 has also been successfully integrated chinese missiles thus leading to its assembly line in china. The PAF can get these babies from Poland , ukraine, china and perhaps some CIS nations. :smokingc:

 

[ashoaib]

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As I know may be right or wrong; SU-30MKIs are updated and enhanced versions of SU-27. They have same back ground so we can upgrade SU-27 to meet SU-30MKLs specifications or come closer to it. Actually I say 40 coz some people are opossing SU-27 otherwise I would say 150.
I too want western ACs but Flankers offered by Ukrain are really cheap only 8 million. If fitted with western tech. may be cost 20 million per peace still very cheap.

 

[XEROX]

The MKI is mixture of the 27 and 37, with TVC and all!!

How about the P.A.F going for the F-15

 

[adsH]

The MKI is mixture of the 27 and 37, with TVC and all!!

How about the P.A.F going for the F-15

Oh come onn PJ !! F-15 for PAF, yeah if USAF feels charitable enough to support it's huge logistical setup cost and high maintenance requirements. the whole point Pakistan is bent on Acquiring F-16 is because it has the logistical setup Pilot training regime and the they simply love the ability, durability and economics of this light fighter.

 

[XEROX]

Which Is the best option for pakistan then to combat the Su-30Mki??

Gripen would have been good, so would the eurofighter!!


Its unlikly that PAF would get there F-16 upgraded to block 50/52/60 standard

 

[Skygrasper]

Actually, the Su-27 and Su-30 are quite expensive and hard to maintain, especially for a country like Pakistan, not to mention that plane is far too overpowered for PAF. Whats likely that either the PAF MIGHT look into MiG-29SMT if Russia allows it, uses the same engine as JF-17, cheaper and easier to maintain than Flanker.

 

[adsH]

Which Is the best option for pakistan then to combat the Su-30Mki??

Gripen would have been good, so would the eurofighter!!


Its unlikly that PAF would get there F-16 upgraded to block 50/52/60 standard

your kind of mistaken here. the Upgrades would not have a Block standard. they would be provided to PAF on the bases of there requirement. PAF would design the tailor made MLU package where they can pick what to include in there Upgrade. i can imagine that they would be able to get whatever they want from Lockheed martin (in the confines of F-16 Upgrade) once they have legal approval. a legal approval would be a broad based approval.

the US has prevented PAF from inducting SD-10 BVR missile system on the F-16 because that procedure would of involved Chinese personnel messing around with PAF F-16 technology. i guess they may end up giveing limited number of BVR missiles to PAF for use with F-16 MLU

 

[corsair7772]

Actually, the Su-27 and Su-30 are quite expensive and hard to maintain, especially for a country like Pakistan, not to mention that plane is far too overpowered for PAF. Whats likely that either the PAF MIGHT look into MiG-29SMT if Russia allows it, uses the same engine as JF-17, cheaper and easier to maintain than Flanker.

Skygrasper. which decade are u living in? The Su-27's maintenance bug is non existent. there has been no analytical proof tht its is beyond the grasping of Kamra. use ur common sense here old buddy. If the PAF can handle a russian engine like the RD it can easily handle the Su-27s engine as well. Evn w/o being a patriotic i can easily say tht the PAF can handle something like a flanker wid the proper Tot frm ukraine or china or whatever. The Mig-29 was requested by Pakistan frm russia and rejected evn though it was in the defensive category. So no luck there. Flankers Rock. :smokingc:

 

[umair]

Corsair for the hundredth time, all you flanker lovers get this in your skullsPAF evaluated and REJECTED the Flankers in the 1990's
If I read one more word about the Flanker I'll go berserk. :kar

 

[corsair7772]

ON WHAT BASIS ARE YOU PUTTING UP THIS ARGUEMENT????

The flankers were rejected due to thick heads prevailing in PAF due to fascination wid F-16s and Mirages and an obseccion wid da west. due to the changing scenario they shud seriously consider the Flanker which is a swell choice. THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE BUG. for cryin out loud were actually buying an RD-93 or watever which is COMPLEX. the su-27 should pose no problem. AND its cheap and available. And cmon trust me, if no ones gonna sell us fighters are we gonna stay on the door step like an annoying salesman?

Things have changed. Weve got money to spend. In the 90s we had to deal with shariffs wonder economy and our resource absorbing Super seven and K-8 projects as well as our F-16 mirage and F-7 stuff that was going on. We were damn short on money. So we rejected em. NOT BCUZ OF PERFORMANCE LACKING. cuz of western beauties and tight walets. Now is the time for the PAF to use brains and beffin up our ranks wid some cheap yet effective Flankers in order to bridge the gap created by phasing out aircraft and aircraft projects under development.

 

[ashoaib]

ON WHAT BASIS ARE YOU PUTTING UP THIS ARGUEMENT????

The flankers were rejected due to thick heads prevailing in PAF due to fascination wid F-16s and Mirages and an obseccion wid da west. due to the changing scenario they shud seriously consider the Flanker which is a swell choice. THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE BUG. for cryin out loud were actually buying an RD-93 or watever which is COMPLEX. the su-27 should pose no problem. AND its cheap and available. And cmon trust me, if no ones gonna sell us fighters are we gonna stay on the door step like an annoying salesman?

Things have changed. Weve got money to spend. In the 90s we had to deal with shariffs wonder economy and our resource absorbing Super seven and K-8 projects as well as our F-16 mirage and F-7 stuff that was going on. We were damn short on money. So we rejected em. NOT BCUZ OF PERFORMANCE LACKING. cuz of western beauties and tight walets. Now is the time for the PAF to use brains and beffin up our ranks wid some cheap yet effective Flankers in order to bridge the gap created by phasing out aircraft and aircraft projects under development.

I agree with it there are some nutts in our decision making thats why they reject it in 90s

Actually, the Su-27 and Su-30 are quite expensive and hard to maintain, especially for a country like Pakistan, not to mention that plane is far too overpowered for PAF. Whats likely that either the PAF MIGHT look into MiG-29SMT if Russia allows it, uses the same engine as JF-17, cheaper and easier to maintain than Flanker.

8 Million per peace is expensive??? come on; than plz tell me what is cheap???

Russia recently rejects to sell arms to Pakistan. They dont want any type of hault in the relations with India

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

teh Sukhoi AC may be cheap to buy, but it would be way too much expensive its uptime would be lower then its Western counterpart. F-16 is an example of Western Ingenuity. The SU 27 estimated cost per hour during Sortie is way too high then for instance like a grippen.

 

[Revival_786]

PAF shouldn't buy a Su-27... unless they are getting em really cheap (what was it? 8 mill a piece only)?

Furthermore, PAF shouldn't get what the IAF is getting... they should focus on Western/Chinese fighters.