Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

[SABRE]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

I ve herd PAF is considering to buy Mirage2000-9 along with what ever Frontline Jets they get. Mirage 2000-9 will be PAF's counter for IAF Mirage2000-5 series. France is also testing its Mirage4000 as well (Why not buy them).

I dont knw if this is a roumer or truth...Any one who can confirm it please do.

Anyways how good are Mirage2000-9 compared to Mirage2000-5?

 

[umair]

Bullcrap.The 2k-9 was dismissed cause of 3 reasons
1)Dassault had offered Pakistan deelopment of a specialised 2k-5 variant called the Delta Falcon
2)The 2k-9 represented the last rung in the Mirage2k series evolutionary ladder.It would have sufficed for somtime but did'nt offer room for future development.
3)PAF can buy almost for the same price the Typhoon and Rafale, which are relatively new, considered more capable and offer room for future development.

 

[Oqaab]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

I dont think there are enough funds left to buy Rafale or Eurofighter after spending 1.7 billion over Saab-2000 planes and the 7 Radars.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

i'm sure the saudi's will give a few million if needed. but thats in the most serious curcumstances. : . however i'm sure pakistan have got some money left over.

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

The Saudi's are broke and have been for a while.

Mirage 4000 have been scrapped, they were developed for Saudi's but the Saudi's never bought-'em. the Rafael was based on the this Mirage 4000 platform. i think Rafael is the best option for PAF but i doubt PAF would be able to sign a deal till next year. UNless the Saudi's who are thinking of buying them (Proposal 2001- Israeli reaction F-16i) in large amount strike a deal with the French to lower the Price per-unit for PAF.

 

[zubair_ansari]

IMHO The PAF should get the following:

150+ JF-17
100+ J10

With complete technology transfer and western avionics, forming the back bone or bulk because we have a reliable strategic alliance with China and it is a major upcoming power with similar strategic objectives, not to mention that we share a common border.

Additionally the PAF should try to get the existing F16 fleet upgraded and more 60+ F16s or 60+ JAS39s.

That will be a good litmus test for our friendship with the West and the coveted MFN status Uncle Sam conferred on us.

In the end on the foreign policy level we should be good friends with every country including India and should guard our soverignity with a strong air force and a proactive foreign policy.

As I think in Ronald Regan's words "speak softly and carry a big stick".

 

[Salman78]

Re: Who would sell pakistan NEW fighter jets???

France and China are the only countries which can sell aircrafts to Pakistan. And Musharraf, being from Army, negotiated Mirage 2000-5 deal with france for PAF.

What deal Oqaab ? Musshy did'nt broker any deal and PAF is not getting any mirage 2000's from france.

China is the best source and PAF should stick with them.

 

[Oqaab]

Re: Who would sell pakistan NEW fighter jets???

France and China are the only countries which can sell aircrafts to Pakistan. And Musharraf, being from Army, negotiated Mirage 2000-5 deal with france for PAF.

What deal Oqaab ? Musshy did'nt broker any deal and PAF is not getting any mirage 2000's from france.

China is the best source and PAF should stick with them.

I havnt said that PAF will be getting MIrage 2000-5s. PAF negotiated for this aircraft in the past.

Read this,

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2003-daily/03-07-2003/topst/main3.gif

PAF had been trying to buy western fighters in the past. France agreed to sell us Mirage 2000-5s and kept the price 50 million USD for PAF. Due to lack of funds PAF didnt buy these fighters. PAF also showed its interest in the Eurofighter typhoon (now dont ask any link for that) and couldnt buy those aircrafts due to financial problems.

After the Mirage 2000-5s negotiations, some statements were released by the officials saying that Mirage 2000-5, JAS-39 Gripen and F-10 (J-10) can fulfill PAFs needs. But PAF didnt order any Mirages, and then, it went after Sweden for the JAS-39 Gripen fighters.

PAF's decidion of going for the JAS-39 showed that PAF isnt much interested in the J-10 which is superior in some respects, and cheeper. Sweden has now denied any Gripen sales and since then, there has been no PAF statements coming regarding negotiations for new 4th generation fighters.

Do U still think that PAF will go for the Chinese J-10s ?

 

[ashoaib]

Pakistan needs to buy the SU-27's that Ukraine was offering them. They were an absolute steal at only $8 million a piece. I can't believe the idiocy of some of the people making the decisions about military purchases. They continue to give most of the money to the Army which is already pretty well off. And after the Gulf War 2 and Afghanistan they must see the power of a good air force. MY GOD, 8 MILLION FOR SOME FLANKERS AND WE HAVENT PURCHASED THEM? It's crazy.

I agree with it Pakistan should buy some squadrens of SU-27 coz they are very cheap. PAF cant find anything cheaper then this. Buy some squads of SU-27 and some more hi tech 4th generation may be Rafale, EU 2000, JAS-39 or J-10 who ever suits PAF best.

 

[mysterious]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Why do people forget that Su-27 is quite expensive to maintain?!?! Plus, India already has Su-30s plus Su-27s with more experience on Russian platforms. It would be a foolish decision to get those birds. For me, its like telling India to just blindly buy F-16s!

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

the PAF can't just keep going for cheap options. we need to keep our quality advantage which we are going to lose if a QUALITY front-line jet isn't purchased. whats the point in getting Su-27's if india has got Su-30's. sounds abiot dumb to me. anyway we sould keep trying for gripen or F-16 but if we definately can't the we will have to stick to our french & chinese friends.

 

[umair]

For all the folks who keep saying PAF should buy Flankers,NEWS FLASH: it evaluated and rejected them in the mid 90s

 

[corsair7772]

hey myst i dug this up for you. Notice the differences in some versions are not because the manufacturers want to improve the aircraft but to make it easier to maintain without making it any less effective.

http://www.propro.ru/flankers/htm/index.htm

N besides, its such a gorgeous aircraft.

 

[mysterious]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Thnx corsair. I still am in no mood to see Flankers in PAF colors.

 

[SABRE]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Thnx corsair. I still am in no mood to see Flankers in PAF colors.

No one should be.

Anyways even if PAF purchases Flankers who will provide the spare parts? We might be stuck like F-16s. PAF officers knw better than any one of us. If they are not buying some thing there must be a very good reason to it.

Why dont we get Tornadoes from Saudi Arabia. They have entire technology. Tornadoes are very good in desert missions. They would be good when put into battle at Thar and Run of Kuch region. We can aquire its spare parts from Saudi's at a discount.
PAF should buy atleast 20 of these jets.

Admin Edit: 2 posts merged together. Please refrain from posting back to back when one post will do the job

 

[adsH]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Hello every one. i am still away on a break but had to come and say hello!!.

tornados are a part of Saudi's air defence RSAF requires more newer updated AC. i don't see how they would be willing to sell there current inventory of Tornados, i'm sure if PAF wants the tornados they could ask RAF to provide them some. but its unlikely that PAF would opt for such AC's.

 

[Oqaab]

Welcome back ADSH.

Well, Pakistan's official news service once reported that Tornado, Rafale, Su-30, Eurofighter, F-10 and Mirage 2000-5s were once discussed.

 

[P.A.F]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

our pilots have flown saudi tornados a lot. don't know if they like em or not but they sure have had experience. anyways i've still got my heart on the saab gripens

 

[SABRE]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Tornados would still be good for heavy bombing in desert regions specially on tanks and AAG. They release 100s of bombs (Not tactical missiles) altogather. About 12 of them wont be so bad. I am not saying that PAF should buy them as front line fighters but few of them for support missions.

 

[umair]

Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

Hello every one. i am still away on a break but had to come and say hello!!.

tornados are a part of Saudi's air defence RSAF requires more newer updated AC. i don't see how they would be willing to sell there current inventory of Tornados, i'm sure if PAF wants the tornados they could ask RAF to provide them some. but its unlikely that PAF would opt for such AC's.

That reminds me(I learnt about this a few years ago but it apparently slipped my mind) we also evaluated and rejected(don't ask me why, cause I did'nt ask the why? from my sources) both Tornado versions(ADV & GRmk1) at about the same time we rejected the flankers.