personaldesas
Active Member
I wasn't aware that the French in particular apparently play a not insignificant role with helping map Russian air-defence and target selection.
The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
I wasn't aware that the French in particular apparently play a not insignificant role with helping map Russian air-defence and target selection.
Yes but what about the Roman Empire?, what about the Aztecs? Just, you know, what about loads of other dead people and long gone societies?
rsemmes
Active Member
Indeed...
Just imagine Gordon Brown talking about the invasion of Ukraine after the criminal and illegal invasion of Iraq.
He never studied Latin or what!
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I don't think this was an attack. I think clement molins has it right. They were trying to move forces closer to the front lines. This took place fairly far behind Russian lines, and involved either 1 or likelier 2 Grads. And some reports claimed a column of 15 vehicles, but we only see 7(?) getting hit.
I haven't seen anything about this. Military fuel would be diesel. I don't think Russia has a national diesel shortage, so if true I would think this is not due to refinery strikes but due to Hornet strikes on Russian logistics. This would in theory cause problems, but I have to ask, 20L per vehicle? Per unit? What does normal fuel usage look like without restrictions?
KipPotapych
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So I have been seeing this thing from pro-Ukrainian crowd (mostly mappers, but also others) that there is this super secrete counteroffensive happening. In fact in at least two directions. Great news is incoming. The maps are not reflecting the progress due to the OPSEC. Well, the thing is that I have been reading about it for… has to be over a month now, probably closer to two. Maybe more? Can’t say for sure.
So how can something like this remain secrete and ongoing (and, importantly, successful) for such a long period of time? In the war that has been publicized and broadcasted like no other, nothing even comes remotely close?
The whole thing is reminiscent of WWE (American wrestling).
Things that didn’t happen (I guess part of the WWE comparison?):
Imagine thinking that the owner of Wildberries, the richest woman in Russia, wrote the nonsense. Imagine being Noah Smith and thinking that this is real. Imagine further thinking that it is real after looking at the number of likes/dislikes/whatever under the post.
I also like the “Russian oligarch” label in order to add more negative connotation.
Source:
Numerous accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers are spreading this rubbish.
Imagine being Polish FM and think that Russia had about 88 tonnes of gold before selling 44 tonnes.
Stubb has turned into a meme, like many used-to-be-reasonable others:
So how can something like this remain secrete and ongoing (and, importantly, successful) for such a long period of time? In the war that has been publicized and broadcasted like no other, nothing even comes remotely close?
The whole thing is reminiscent of WWE (American wrestling).
Things that didn’t happen (I guess part of the WWE comparison?):
Imagine thinking that the owner of Wildberries, the richest woman in Russia, wrote the nonsense. Imagine being Noah Smith and thinking that this is real. Imagine further thinking that it is real after looking at the number of likes/dislikes/whatever under the post.
I also like the “Russian oligarch” label in order to add more negative connotation.
Source:
Numerous accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers are spreading this rubbish.
Imagine being Polish FM and think that Russia had about 88 tonnes of gold before selling 44 tonnes.
Stubb has turned into a meme, like many used-to-be-reasonable others:
KipPotapych
Well-Known Member
Who would have thought:
It’s not in jeopardy. Ukraine will never produce advanced missiles for Patriot systems. This was clear from day one. In fact, even if this report is wrong or simply false, Ukraine will still never produce advanced Patriot missiles. The idea itself is preposterous. Find out how many countries have the license to produce the seekers. Ukraine will most certainly not be the first one.
Dummy-D’s idea there (in the reply to the original post) is obviously laughable. He thinks SAMPT is a better system too. The show (WWE) must go on.
Other ideas:
Imagine thinking the US government will take away the license from Boeing and pass it on Ukraine. Laughing pretty hard here.
Zelensky asking for at least 300 Patriot interceptors (not for better SAMPT, for some reason):
That would be 35-40% of the current US stockpiles (as reported here, among other places). So… Laughing again?
In the meantime, the new CiC is preparing to give a “nice, strong, and solid military counterpunch” to “collapse the Russian military and political authorities”.
Going for a total victory here. Again. How great is that WWE comparison?
It’s not in jeopardy. Ukraine will never produce advanced missiles for Patriot systems. This was clear from day one. In fact, even if this report is wrong or simply false, Ukraine will still never produce advanced Patriot missiles. The idea itself is preposterous. Find out how many countries have the license to produce the seekers. Ukraine will most certainly not be the first one.
Dummy-D’s idea there (in the reply to the original post) is obviously laughable. He thinks SAMPT is a better system too. The show (WWE) must go on.
Other ideas:
Imagine thinking the US government will take away the license from Boeing and pass it on Ukraine. Laughing pretty hard here.
Zelensky asking for at least 300 Patriot interceptors (not for better SAMPT, for some reason):
That would be 35-40% of the current US stockpiles (as reported here, among other places). So… Laughing again?
In the meantime, the new CiC is preparing to give a “nice, strong, and solid military counterpunch” to “collapse the Russian military and political authorities”.
Going for a total victory here. Again. How great is that WWE comparison?
personaldesas
Active Member
Not a knock on you, but I'm not a big fan of news delivered as screenshots of X posts. Routing everything through someone's tweet doesn't really add anything, if anything it strips the context. Personal preference, though.
On the seeker/license point specifically, I chased down the primary source, it's this Die Welt clip:
Their Kyiv correspondent Christoph Wanner says (my translation):
OriginalChristoph Wanner said:
I couldn't find anyone else reporting this independently, everything traces back to the same clip. So it's really just one correspondent's caveated remark. Very thin. Personally, I'd put far more weight on the production obstacles to Ukraine building these than on the license question. That's the part I see as genuinely impeding.Christoph Wanner said:
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Hoover
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The idea of Ukraine is building the PAC-3 is ... nonsense. Even if Boeing will give the licence (Germany only get the licence for the PAC-2 GEM-T, first shall be ready in end 2027) the PAC-3 out of UA production will came far to late. Germany needed 2 years (from 2024 on) to start the production. And of course Russia will take all measures to stop the production.
I think ist is a hoax to boost UA morale and to alarm Russia.
Germany wants to built PAC-3, but that was declined by the US.
And not to forget: Ukraine hasn´t won the war yet. If they loose the PAC-3 production will fall into Russian hands. That´s why I am sure that US will not even gave the licence for PAC-2 to the Ukraine.
I think ist is a hoax to boost UA morale and to alarm Russia.
Germany wants to built PAC-3, but that was declined by the US.
And not to forget: Ukraine hasn´t won the war yet. If they loose the PAC-3 production will fall into Russian hands. That´s why I am sure that US will not even gave the licence for PAC-2 to the Ukraine.
The Carter presidency believed that Khomeini was a great guy after some interviews in France where he was in exile he showed his true colours on returning
KipPotapych
Well-Known Member
And I agree 100%. I also dug up a couple of reports citing the exact source you provided. I didn’t think it was important enough to elaborate further. Citing the tweet, was more of a reflection of the “mood” and delusion. This is why I also stated
Referring to the report itself, not the tweet. I guess it is a little confusing, haha. My apologies.
While I agree (and had already discussed) that the production obstacles, including war, energy grid, and overall state of the country, are major impediments, probability of Ukraine receiving the license and tech transfer is zero. And I mean it literally, as in there is no chance in hell, regardless of circumstances. So none of the rest really matters. The same is true for most of the rest of the promised epic stuff. Like I discussed previously and @Hoover mentioned above, no one in their right mind would transfer any sensitive technology to Ukraine. And this is true not only for the time while the war is ongoing, but long after as well if Russia is not defeated in one way or another. The rationale is simple: when Ukraine loses this war and is completely devastated as a country and as a nation, without much prospect of joining the EU in the foreseeable and relatively distant future, no one knows how things would play out. There is waaaaaay too much uncertainty.
I should add that overall tech transfer and licensing is not that big of a thing in general. No one provides their most modern and advanced technology to anyone else for no reason. Quite the opposite, in fact. And it is most certainly true when some beat-up, near third-world country is concerned in particular. I mean, really, the idea itself is beyond laughable. But the narrative is sure strong (WWE). Not sure why some/many people refuse to see the reality.
More on the tech transfer, also discussed previously. Do people think that Ukraine developed the Flamingo, for example, all on its own? Of course not. Guidance, planning, the whole thing was more than likely (in fact, most certainly, in my opinion) was developed with tech transfer from the western nations. And this monstrosity is about as good as it gets. And see how well that is working out. Maybe a bit more will be provided. Nothing beyond 80s level though, with some little degree of modernity where deemed necessary. Maybe 90s and that is pushing it a bit, in my opinion. Drones? Sure. It’s a new (or newly found but real) development and Ukraine is a testing ground for all those willing (again, I discussed it previously). Which is why, as I had also already discussed (and provided various references) most successful drones Ukraine is using were developed and built elsewhere. I am not talking about FPVs used at the front. Another recent example (NYT via the archive):
Or
I should also reiterate something I said before: thinking Ukraine can build something countries not at (kinetic) war and with real capabilities cannot and especially in some great quantities is ludicrous. And I mean it. Like need a head examination by a team of real field-leading professionals type of level. The real world works nothing like has been advertised since 2022.
Remember Rheinmetall, for example, opening production lines in Ukraine? Most modern IFVs (if I recall correctly), artillery shells, a whole bunch of other “goodies”? That was nearly three years ago. What happened? Well, nothing, as was expected and commented on. Some repair and maintenance facility operating somewhere in most western Ukraine, and even that is a maybe? Nothing else. Why not? Well, because if one wants to heavily invest and open up some serious production in Ukraine… see above about the team of leading mental health professionals and head examination. That’s the real world. Other examples are plentiful. Any rational person should see the bullshit in the cracks. Especially by now, years in.
Anyway… the post surely turned out to be longer than expected, haha. Last note on the tweet in question. A day or two prior, I think I also referenced the same account for things that didn’t happen. Kind of a giveaway.
Speaking of things that dis not happen, very briefly.
^ Obviously didn’t happen, but WOW!
^ VTB did not restrict cash withdrawals (and neither did “the first bank”).
^ Ukrainian drones do not fly (or “reach”) anywhere close to 4,000-5,000 km.
personaldesas
Active Member
Sorry, missed that, my bad!
6 sitesYes, Russian banks are restricting cash withdrawals, specifically targeting foreign currency and large or third-party ATM transactions. The Bank of Russia has extended strict limits on foreign currency cash withdrawals until September 9, 2026, capping individual withdrawals at $10,000 or equivalent in Euros. Additionally, commercial entities like VTB Bank have introduced strict limits on domestic ruble ATM withdrawals for cards issued by other banks to combat heavy network strain, while other institutions are blocking large ruble transactions pending customer phone verification.
KipPotapych
Well-Known Member
^ Foreign currency withdrawal restrictions above 10,000 USD or equivalent (namely Euro) are in place since mid-2022 or so. There are no restrictions on national currency withdrawals (that I am aware of).
PS I can only get 500 CAD (or $1,000?) from an ATM a day here in Canada. $10,000 cash would take a couple of days even from a teller at the bank.
PS I can only get 500 CAD (or $1,000?) from an ATM a day here in Canada. $10,000 cash would take a couple of days even from a teller at the bank.
Banks do restrict cash on a daily basis here too, and always have (from ATM), so the initial comment may have been misleading but your dismissal of it was also misleading, and neither post mentioned domestic or foreign currency.
Additionally the important point is not whether restrictions exist but whether changes have taken place so the point about limited cash withdrawal elsewhere is irrelevant, the point is have such things changed in recent times?
rsemmes
Active Member
A country at war under international sanctions restricting withdrawals of foreign currency? It never happened before, ever. Not even in countries not at war.
Out of curiosity... Has Ukraine any restriction or you can get €10.000 whenever you want?
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rsemmes
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Two oops moments...
“It’s a very extraordinary weapon, and we have to be a little bit careful of who we licence to.” Donald.
https://www.ft.com/content/d8c42f6b-4dba-4976-a907-c7c93bca0bbd?syn-25a6b1a6=1 (and theguardian)
We can forget about all previous discussions about fairy tales.
A drone factory in Kyiv destroyed by a Russian ballistic missile on Friday was owned by a US corporation registered in Delaware.
Terminal Autonomy did not reply to an emailed request for comment. The Ukrainian defence ministry also did not respond to an email.
www.theguardian.com
Is it the first time?
Was that a Russian policy? (I do remember the "pig-farm" policy.)
One missile and "destroyed"? It was a factory or a workshop?
Yes, the production of Patriots in Ukraine could had been interesting.
“It’s a very extraordinary weapon, and we have to be a little bit careful of who we licence to.” Donald.
https://www.ft.com/content/d8c42f6b-4dba-4976-a907-c7c93bca0bbd?syn-25a6b1a6=1 (and theguardian)
We can forget about all previous discussions about fairy tales.
A drone factory in Kyiv destroyed by a Russian ballistic missile on Friday was owned by a US corporation registered in Delaware.
Terminal Autonomy did not reply to an emailed request for comment. The Ukrainian defence ministry also did not respond to an email.
Russian missile destroys US firm’s Kyiv drone factory
Strike on Terminal Autonomy plant appears to be first time in the war that Moscow has targeted a US company
www.theguardian.com
Was that a Russian policy? (I do remember the "pig-farm" policy.)
One missile and "destroyed"? It was a factory or a workshop?
Yes, the production of Patriots in Ukraine could had been interesting.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Depends on your account, my business ATM limit is $1,000, personal account, $1,500. I could probably have those limits increased but no need really. As for a $10,000 cash withdrawal from a teller needing a couple of days, no idea and likely branch size dependent.
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Things are continuing to move in the Dobropolye area. Russian forces have apparently taken the refuse mound north-west of Belitskoe and are pushing into Dobropolye itself. Its curious that this is coming right after we saw APS equipped MBTs in the area. This is clearly a priority direction for Russia. Its interesting that these advances come after many weeks of little to no movement, but intense bombardment. If Dobropolye falls soon, Russia might be able to threaten supply lines to Kramatorsk yet.
KipPotapych
Well-Known Member
I am assuming if you provided an AI response, you googled it and didn’t see anything, except perhaps some propaganda articles?
Since I can also search in Russian, I did as well. Aside from propaganda, I only found one article at RBC (dot ru) that talks about some limitations that VTB imposed on third-party bank cards (ie all VTB ATM users except for their own clients) using their ATMs in Crimea. The article dates July 10 and the limitations were put in place until August 1 (the lemmings are to slow to follow the news cycle, it appears). In terms of amounts, 15,000 (190 USD) rubles daily limit and 50,000 (630 USD) monthly (from previous limits of 150,000 (1,890 USD) daily and 300,000 (3,780 USD) monthly). No other banks had imposed similar measures (comments from representatives from all other major Russian banks are provided in the article). The article specifically says
Earlier, a small PSKB bank informed customers about the time limits for cash withdrawals[…]
but the sentence continues to say
from cards at VTB ATMs located in Crimea and Sevastopol.
So there is no other bank and VTB is not the “second”. Furthermore, there are no cash withdrawal restrictions that were not in place before July 28 that the lemming talks about there. In fact, there are no cash withdrawal restrictions that were not in place months and years prior. And there most certainly no “capital outflows” and bank runs that the article Jay cited talks about.
I hope this is satisfactory enough, Redshift.
Yeah, I have no idea. The only cash I use is to pay the egg lady $6 per week for a dozen of eggs she brings to our house every week (I know, it does seem crazy to most people, but we have a lady who brings us eggs from her farm, lol) so I go to the bank every couple of months or so, make a withdrawal of $60 in 12 5-dollar bills, then spend some time in line to change two of those bills to ten loonies (1-dollar coins), so I have ten payments in the drawer. That is all my interaction with the physical bank and has been for many years. Perhaps, I do a cash deposit once in a while as well, but can hardly remember the last time I did it.
Another thing I know is that cash withdrawal limits exist because my neighbor sold his car a few months ago for $10K. The dude who bought it had to come pick it up a couple of days later instead of the scheduled time because he didn’t know he could not get $10,000 out of his bank account without special arrangements and could only get $5,000 per day. All indications of a genius on the buyers part…