The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Feanor

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Strikes.

Russia hit Kiev. Targets include a storage facility.


Russian Shaheds over Obukhov, Kiev region. One clips a residential high-rise and crashes.


Russia hit Chernigov. Reportedly Iskanders were used. The target is allegedly some sort of industrial object and rail infrastructure. Links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit Priluki, Chernigov region. Targets include the local city administration building.


Russia hit Novgorod-Severskiy, Chernigov region. The target appears to be the local city administration building.


Russia hit Sumy. Targets unclear, fires burn.


Reportedly a Russian Iskander strike on Konotop, Sumy region.


Russia hit Romny, Sumy region. Targets include the rail station. Reportedly 1 civilian is dead and 3 are wounded.


Russia hit a Ukrainian chemical research facility, Shostka, Sumy region.


First official confirmation of Russian use of the Shahed-5 against fuel infrastructure in Moshenka, Sumy region.


Russia hit Kharkov. Reportedly Iskanders and Shaheds were used, with one strike wave having an unsual number of jet-powered Shaheds. Links represent at least two waves of strikes.


A Ukrainian interceptor drone fails to down a Russian Shahed over Kharkov. Some have used these sorts of incidents to claim the general ineffectiveness of Ukrainian interceptor drones, but I think this is untrue. We've seen Russia work on increasing the speed of their Shaheds, which specifically suggests


Russia hit the Merefa fuel storage facility, Kharkov region. Fires broke out.


Russian strike on gas infrastructure near Buzovaya village, Kharkov region.


Russia hit Naftogaz facilities in Poltava region. Systematic attacks on Ukrainian gas fields have been part of Russia's strategy to destroy Ukraine's energy grid.


Russia attempts to hit a TRML-4D radar near Kiryakovo, Poltava region. It's unclear if the drone actually struck the radar.


Russia hit a Naftogaz object, Poltava region.


Russia hit Krivoy Rog. Targets reportedly include energy infrastructure, the rail depot, and the Arcelor Metal steel plant. Blackouts are reported. Links represent at least 5 separate waves of strikes. Krivoy Rog has gotten a lot of attention from Russia recently, perhaps some sort of major movement of military cargo is happening through there.


Russia hit Znamenka, Kirovograd region. Targets include a rail depot.


Russia hit Dnepropetrovsk.


Russian Shaheds hit Nikolaevka, Dnepropetrovsk region. Power outages are reported.


Russia hit a fuel storage facility near Dnepropetrovsk.


Russia hit either a Patriot position or a convincing decoy near Vasil'yevka, Dnepropetrovsk region.


Russian strikes on Pavlograd. Reportedly at least two Iskanders were used. The target was allegedly the chemical plant.


Russia hit Odessa. Targets include the port area. Links represent at least 3 separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit Izmail, Odessa region. Targets include the airport, port infrastructure and a tanker ship, the Nika Spirit. Note it's a Russian ship that Ukraine had taken some time ago and had been holding there. Links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit substations across Odessa region, including Alekseevka, Etalon, and Mikhailovka.


Russia hit the Perechen', Maydan, and Lipcha substations, Transcarpathia region.


Russia hit Khmel'nitskiy city. Targets include industrial objects.


Russia hit Lutsk. Targets include the Novaya Pochta terminal.


Russia hit Chortkov, Ternopol' region. Targets unclear.


Russia hit Khotyn', Chernovtsi region.


Russia hit the town of Korosten', Zhitomyr region. The strike was a combination of cruise missiles and drones, and the target was reportedly the train station area. It's possible they were targeting something being transported or stored there.


A Ukrainian drone intercepts a Russian Shahed carrying an R-60 (or a mockup).


A downed Russian Shahed with a mockup of an R-60 AAM.


It appears a radar-homing version of the Shahed has entered service.


The Russian practice of using Shaheds to lay mines continues.


A new Gerber variant has shown up. It's unclear what it's carrying.


Ukrainian drone defense team with a Maxim gun.

 

Feanor

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Ukraine hit Lugansk city. Targets include an industrial enterprise, and some residential buildings.



Ukraine hit Starobel'sk, Lugansk region. Targets include the city administration building.


Ukraine hit Alchevsk, Lugansk region. Targets include the Parkomunna substation and the metallurgical complex. 3 factory workers are reported killed. The factory complex in question is reportedly used by Russia to manufacture artillery shells. It's a reminder that areas Russia has taken over and are well enough to the rear can contribute to the Russian war effort.


Ukraine hit the Noviy Svet powerplant in Donetsk region. Reportedly Ukraine used graphite bombs to target energy infrastructure in Donetsk region. Blackouts have been reported across the region.


Ukrainian drone strike on Budenovskiy area, Donetsk city.


Ukraine hit Tol'yatti, targeting two local chemical plants.


Ukraine hit Ufa. The target was once again the oil refinery. A UAV hit a residential building.


Ukraine hit the Yaroslav oil refinery.


Ukraine hit the Krymsk Oil Production Dispatch Station and substation, in Krasnodar region. 1 civilian was reportedly killed.


Ukraine hit a chemical plant in Chapaevsk, Samara region. 3 Flamingo missiles were used with one intercepted, and two landing, but missing anything substantial.


Ukraine hit the Apatit chemical plant in Cherepovets, Vologda region. The factory makes fertilizer.


Ukraine hit Belgorod. At least one residential building was damaged, targets include the city administration building.


Ukraine hit the Russian oil platforms in the Caspian sea again. Note this time there were either MANPADS teams or some other SAMs on them, but they still got hit.


Ukraine hit the Titan oil pumping station in Volgograd region.


A Ukrainian drone hit a residential high-rise in Krasnodar.


Ukraine hit the Kirishi oil refinery, Leningrad region.


Ukraine has repeatedly (6 times I believe) hit the Ust-Luga and Primorsk port facilities in north-western Russian, west of St. Petersburg, disrupting oil terminal operations. There is speculation that the drones flew through the airspace of various Baltic states to get there, avoiding Russian air defenses.


Ukraine sank a Russian coast guard patrol ship in Vyborg.


A Ukrainian E-300 drone being intercepted somewhere over the Donbas.


A Russian Lis-2 interceptor drone chasing a Ukrainian Maya decoy drone. Note the automatic target tracking.


A look at a Russian mobile drone-defense team, using interceptor drones. It's interesting to see how they're plugged into data from various radars to tell them where the enemy drones are.


Other interesting bits.

Russia lost an Su-34. Location, context, and reasons unclear.


A Russian SEAD strike using drons against a Ukrainian FrankenSAM and the drone defense elements accompanying it.


Ukraine hits allegedly a Russian Buk-M3 decoy. I don't know how the author of the post determined it was a decoy, but there was been a pattern of better quality Russian decoys showing up lately. Russia is well behind the curve in this but they're making progress.


A Russian Kub-1B drone with a thermobaric warhead. The Kub started the war as the smaller cousin of the Lancet and was used in Kiev as far back as '22, but it was significantly less successful.


Some reports from Russian sources indicate that the Hornet loitering munition, made by Swift Beat, have been quite effective in Ukrainian service. They note that it operates on non-standard frequencies, meaning typical drone detectors don't work, and has an AI-based guidance system.


A Ukrainian FPV drone with wings, presumably for longer range. It's curious in light of the earlier discussion about longer range Ukrainian drones and their impact.


A look at the Krip-A Ukrainian control system for the Bogdana howitzer.


We have our first sighting of RBS-15 TELs in Ukraine.


Our first sighting of the Rapid Ranger in Ukrainian service. It uses the LMM Martlet, which we've seen in Ukraine before.


A rare Ukrainian BTR-4 in cages and with EW on top. It's unclear if any production of the type continued during the war. Their hulls used to be manufactured in Mariupol'.


A Ukrainian Leo-1 in the 5th Mech Bde. It's been upgraded with a mix of K-1 and Nozh ERA, and external camears for improved situation awareness.


Ukraine's 52nd Arty Bde is reportedly getting M110A2 203mm SP howitzers. They're likely Greek, where 60 of them were still in storage.


Ukraine's 148th Arty Bde with M777 howitzers.


Ukraine's new Abrams with the 47th Mech Bde and the 1st Assault Rgt. It seemed them and Skala are splitting the new Australian Abrams shipment, but now the 1st Rgt is getting them too.


Russian forces with the new Spirit-030 terminal. It's apparently a Russian Starlink replacement and is connected to the Bureau 1440's project Dawn.


Russian Courier UGV variants, one with a mortar installed, another with an MLRS.

 

KipPotapych

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I am assuming Feanor will address this in some way at some point, maybe separately or in the next update, but I just watched these three videos from the Voevoda channel and it is rather disturbing, not in the sense of what he is saying for the most part (aside from asking for forgiveness from his parents and his young daughter because that was quite disturbing), but in the sense that the three videos were recorded after the guy had come to the decision, or conclusion, if you will, to depart himself from this world (and likely just before the execution).


I have not been following any Russian telegram channels for a long time now, so I do not know of the chronology of the events aside from what the guy said in the videos, so I have nothing to say on the subject aside from the following.

From these videos, it appears that the guy is (was?) a patriot and genuinely believed in what he was doing (fighting the war in Ukraine). I hope there was some revelation or intervention or whatever before he executed his plan, but it seems unlikely. And that is unfortunate.

Just the other week I had a conversation with someone about the wars and the current environment and such. The person I talked to said that whatever happens (the subject was heavily leaned towards Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, and Israel), they have great respect for the soldiers who do what they do because they greatly believe in the cause and what they do and so on. My question to them was if they feel the same for the Russian troops in Ukraine. Probably everyone can guess the answer and it was strongly negative in the likes of “Russia, that invaded and ruined lives of gazillions in numerous countries?” I am paraphrasing, obviously, but that was the gist of it. One example, but the attitude is rather uniform in this part of the world. While the person I had the conversation with is a strong supporter of and believer in righteousness of the war in Iran, as well as other actions and their extent in the Middle East, most of everyone else here thinks that while one can say anything about the validity of the actions of the policymakers (ie government), one can not speak negative of the grunts doing the work. Yeah, sure, I can subscribe to the line of thinking - straight forward stuff. Why the opposite feeling for the opposing side though? Same grunts, same work, no? Much harder in many respects too. I mean we have had movies portraying horrible events of WW2, for example, where the enemy gave their respect for the fallen and vice versa.

Anyway, I am probably just rumbling here, just expressing some thoughts. I came along the news about Voevoda because I saw some distasteful comments about the events, that probably took place, on twitter. So it took me to the recent conversation I had mentioned above and further thinking.

It appears the Russian system took this guy down (still hope that it didn’t, but not holding my breath), not the war he chose to participate in due to the calling or whatever his reasons were (he participated from the beginning) - he is just one if the grunts, after all.

Anyway, the second time… all this shit is depressing.
 

KipPotapych

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Not sure where to put this, so I will put it here. An excellent essay by Seva Gunitsky discussing why the absolute majority failed to predict the invasion and/or the outcome back in 2022 (including the author). This is a very good intellectual piece worthy of your time, in my opinion. (@personaldesas, I think you will like it for what it is).

 

KipPotapych

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It appears that Ukrainian air (drone) raids have scaled up quite a bit and matching or just about Russian attacks on Ukraine. @Feanor, do you think it is close or just the reporting side I am reading?
 

Feanor

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It appears that Ukrainian air (drone) raids have scaled up quite a bit and matching or just about Russian attacks on Ukraine. @Feanor, do you think it is close or just the reporting side I am reading?
I've seen similar reporting.

I am assuming Feanor will address this in some way at some point, maybe separately or in the next update, but I just watched these three videos from the Voevoda channel and it is rather disturbing, not in the sense of what he is saying for the most part (aside from asking for forgiveness from his parents and his young daughter because that was quite disturbing), but in the sense that the three videos were recorded after the guy had come to the decision, or conclusion, if you will, to depart himself from this world (and likely just before the execution).


I have not been following any Russian telegram channels for a long time now, so I do not know of the chronology of the events aside from what the guy said in the videos, so I have nothing to say on the subject aside from the following.

From these videos, it appears that the guy is (was?) a patriot and genuinely believed in what he was doing (fighting the war in Ukraine). I hope there was some revelation or intervention or whatever before he executed his plan, but it seems unlikely. And that is unfortunate.

Just the other week I had a conversation with someone about the wars and the current environment and such. The person I talked to said that whatever happens (the subject was heavily leaned towards Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, and Israel), they have great respect for the soldiers who do what they do because they greatly believe in the cause and what they do and so on. My question to them was if they feel the same for the Russian troops in Ukraine. Probably everyone can guess the answer and it was strongly negative in the likes of “Russia, that invaded and ruined lives of gazillions in numerous countries?” I am paraphrasing, obviously, but that was the gist of it. One example, but the attitude is rather uniform in this part of the world. While the person I had the conversation with is a strong supporter of and believer in righteousness of the war in Iran, as well as other actions and their extent in the Middle East, most of everyone else here thinks that while one can say anything about the validity of the actions of the policymakers (ie government), one can not speak negative of the grunts doing the work. Yeah, sure, I can subscribe to the line of thinking - straight forward stuff. Why the opposite feeling for the opposing side though? Same grunts, same work, no? Much harder in many respects too. I mean we have had movies portraying horrible events of WW2, for example, where the enemy gave their respect for the fallen and vice versa.

Anyway, I am probably just rumbling here, just expressing some thoughts. I came along the news about Voevoda because I saw some distasteful comments about the events, that probably took place, on twitter. So it took me to the recent conversation I had mentioned above and further thinking.

It appears the Russian system took this guy down (still hope that it didn’t, but not holding my breath), not the war he chose to participate in due to the calling or whatever his reasons were (he participated from the beginning) - he is just one if the grunts, after all.

Anyway, the second time… all this shit is depressing.
It appears he faked it, though this isn't confirmed yet.

EDIT: The Kupyansk mess gets even more complicated. There are now confirmed Russian forces on the western outskirts of Kupyansk. While this doesn't exactly lend credibility to Russian claims of control over Kupyansk, it means Ukraine doesn't really hold most of it either. The ever helpful suriyak has updated his map to reflect as much. We might see Russia capture Kupyansk in the coming months.
 
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personaldesas

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Not sure where to put this, so I will put it here. An excellent essay by Seva Gunitsky discussing why the absolute majority failed to predict the invasion and/or the outcome back in 2022 (including the author). This is a very good intellectual piece worthy of your time, in my opinion. (@personaldesas, I think you will like it for what it is).

Thanks for sharing, interesting read. I really like this kind of retrospective piece, looking at what perceptions and expectations were widely held at the time (and where they went wrong).
 

Feanor

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It appears Russia's summer offensive has begun. It remains to be seen if the changes in the drone environment substantially alter the nature of the fighting. On the Slavyansk axis Russia is pushing towards Nikolaevka. North of Pokrovsk Russian forces have begun the assault of Biletskoe, and it may be the first town Russia takes this year (helped along by it's very small size and proximity to Rodinskoe). Near Kupyansk the situation east of Kupyansk has evolved into the situation south of Kupyansk. It's likely Kupyansk-Uzlovoy is next on the menu, as Russian forces are finishing up in Kurilovka. East of Volchansk Russia is moving to take all the territory north of Volch'ya. Not that this is a large chunk of territory, and it's more in line with a continuing border buffer zone rather than a bigger push. And in eastern Zaporozhye Russian forces are attacking towards a series of villages from Charovnoe, to Gulyaypol'skoe, to Verkhnyaa Tersa, to Vozdvizhenka. So far these are attempts, with some gains.
 

Vivendi

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Girkin, who previously was advocating for full mobilization, now says that full mobilization is too late for Russia.

Thread by @ChrisO_wiki on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App

Ukraine is scaling up drone manufacturing both in Ukraine and in other European countries, aiming for producing more than 7 million drones in 2026.

Ukraine Eyes Drone Production Topping 7 Million Units | Aviation Week Network

The 90 billion loan from the EU is a big boost both to Ukrainian morale and will keep Ukraine running for quite some time. Ukraine for sure has high losses but it seems russia has even higher losses. Unless either China or trump becomes more directly involved in supporting russia, I think the situation is just going to get worse for russia. I think they will be forced to the negotiation table in 2026 or 2027, or there might even be a coup. With Ukrainian "sanctions" against russian oil and gas production, the russian economy will keep deteriorating in spite of trump's support for russia.

Russia Forced to Slash Oil Production After Ukrainian Strikes – Reuters - The Moscow Times
 

Vivendi

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UK announces at least 120,000 drone package for Ukraine this year, for long range drones: UK announces biggest ever drone package for Ukraine to push back Putin - GOV.UK

Norway signs a drone agreement with Ukraine, manufacturing of drones in Norway for delivery to Ukraine, starting this summer. Fully funded by Norway as part of a 1.5 Billion USD support package: Signing of agreement to build Ukrainian drones in Norway - regjeringen.no

Six agreements have been signed between Ukrainian and German companies:
Defence agreements between Ukraine and Germany: six companies sign new contracts • Оборонка

Earlier this year, agreements were signed between Ukrainian companies and companies in Denmark, Finland and Latvia:
Culver Aerospace, TENCORE, Remtecnology and Terminal Autonomy Ukraine signed international agreements • Оборонка

Agreement between Ukrainian and Dutch companies in a 293 million USD deal, also on drone manufacturing:
Ukraine and Netherlands to Co-Produce Drones in $293 Million Defense Deal — UNITED24 Media

Belgium is also joining the party: Belgium and Ukraine to Launch Production of Drones and Interception Systems

200 million EUR drone deal between Ukraine and Romania, backed by SAFE: Ukraine and Romania launch joint drone production projects

And of course also Bulgaria needs a drone deal: https://www.novinite.com/articles/2...uction+for+European+Market+Under+Ukraine+Deal


Czechia has manufactured drones for Ukraine for a long time already: Czech drone facility making weapons for Ukraine set on fire, investigation underway
and more to come: Ukrainian drone manufacturer starts producing UAVs with Czech company – photo | Ukrainska Pravda
 
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rsemmes

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UK announces at least 120,000 drone package for Ukraine this year, for long range drones: UK announces biggest ever drone package for Ukraine to push back Putin - GOV.UK

Norway signs a drone agreement with Ukraine, manufacturing of drones in Norway for delivery to Ukraine, starting this summer. Fully funded by Norway as part of a 1.5 Billion USD support package: Signing of agreement to build Ukrainian drones in Norway - regjeringen.no

Six agreements have been signed between Ukrainian and German companies:
Defence agreements between Ukraine and Germany: six companies sign new contracts • Оборонка

Earlier this year, agreements were signed between Ukrainian companies and companies in Denmark, Finland and Latvia:
Culver Aerospace, TENCORE, Remtecnology and Terminal Autonomy Ukraine signed international agreements • Оборонка

Agreement between Ukrainian and Dutch companies in a 293 million USD deal, also on drone manufacturing:
Ukraine and Netherlands to Co-Produce Drones in $293 Million Defense Deal — UNITED24 Media

Belgium is also joining the party: Belgium and Ukraine to Launch Production of Drones and Interception Systems

200 million EUR drone deal between Ukraine and Romania, backed by SAFE: Ukraine and Romania launch joint drone production projects

And of course also Bulgaria needs a drone deal: Bulgaria to Take Part in Drone Production for European Market Under Ukraine Deal - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency


Czechia has manufactured drones for Ukraine for a long time already: Czech drone facility making weapons for Ukraine set on fire, investigation underway
and more to come: Ukrainian drone manufacturer starts producing UAVs with Czech company – photo | Ukrainska Pravda
If we were doing the same thing for Iran, we would be protecting Greenland, right?
 

Feanor

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Girkin, who previously was advocating for full mobilization, now says that full mobilization is too late for Russia.

Thread by @ChrisO_wiki on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App
His viewpoint is always an interesting one. I would disagree with him about that kind of mobilization being effective back in '22 or '23. I don't think it was ever a good option for Russia. Even a limited mobilization caused a massive exodus of population that only returned slowly when it became clear no further mobilization was cominng.
 

vikingatespam

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Why?
If we keep Iran "in the fight", it is going to be harder for Trump to threaten to invade Greenland again.
Correct?
I suppose if you think the sheer unlikelyhood of an invasion of Greenland is somehow more dangerous that a nuclear armed Iran, then by all means, send your money to Iran.

But you wont, so you dont.

Iran has been shit-stirring in the ME so long, it has no friends, only business associates. The sooner the IRGC breaks, the better for all of us here.

But enough on this topic, it belongs in another forum.
 

Ikimieli

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We will form a Mercernay Army, which will be divided to three chapters and recruitment areas. We aim to recruit fighters from poor countries, especially ones that have past grievances like Afghanistan. Each Mercenary will be given a 100 000 dollar yearly salary, and full accomodations, top class equipment and operational support.

The Three chapters are Afria Corps, America Corps and Asian Corps. Asian Corps will have recruitment quota of 150 000 personnels. Africa Crops quota is 100 000 personnels and America Corps quota is 50 000 personnels for a total of 300 000 mercenaries hired to fight in Ukraine on purpose of liberating Donbas.

Recruiting of 300 000 Mercenaries with list price 100 000 dollars for one unit, goes for 30 billion dollars. Cheap as chips as far as funding a large scale war goes in a capitalist system. Then, 20 billion dollars will be used to fund their equipment and operations for one year, starting from 2027 as a counter offensive campaing that is supported by the Ukrainian Army, and the voluntary foreign units. Making the budget around 50 billion dollar. The troops will be divided to drone operators 20-30%, Infantry 50-60% and Specialists 10-20%.

Ammunition will be ordered from Jordan, Pakistan, Marocco and other similar places with unit prices tens of times below normal prices!

We will also establish a live streaming Service, and all of the mercenaries will have their own individual camera that is always streaming for you. You can choose your favorite soldiers, chat in their lobby, send them direct messages, monitor their war effort trough their head cams, shower them with gifts and donate them money! We will only take a 30% share of all of the donations, and all the rest will go to your favorite mercenaries! So better put up that show on and make yourself stand out as a mercenary, for it might net you quite a sum.

We will also establish a fund raising effort and establish a drone intermediary corps, who allows people to control attack drones that can be used to strike soldiers and positions of your own choosing, and will be released on the war zone by our representatives in the field. Signing up for the program costs you one thousand dollars. One Quadcopter attack drone will cost our customers 5 000 dollars for normal one and 10 000 dollars for a wire guided version. One long range attack drone will cost our customers 100 000 dollars for turpoprop version and 150 000 dollars for a jet engine one. If EW systems or Air Defenses supress, or destroy the drone you are controlling, we do not return the funds. We are letting you, control the drones that attack the positions of your choosing from your home, and you are the one who chooses the targets. Want to destroy a particular home or Building in in the war zone (de facto control of Russia or Ukraine), no problem. Just pay us the fee and you can control your own long range attack drone from your home and strike those positions. All the funding will go to fund more projects like this, and hire more Mercenaries.

All hits will be recorded and shown on our site for our members, and noted on a leader scoreboard with most successful hits or caused damage. The leaders of the scoreboards will gain weekly, and monthly prizes. Memobriblia, straight from the war zone. Take your aim at them now, and start bringing home the trophies.

The membership includes. Access to the streaming platform. Access to the videos and VIP content. And the possibility to remote command your own Drones in the war zone! You are the commander. You, decide the targets!

And thats not all. As a Premium Member, you can help your favorite Mercenary Commanders, and donate them Air Sorties, Artillery Barrages, and other similar assets to be used on their own command!

For 2028, we have prepared a hiring quota of one million mercenaries! Hired from all over the World rising the yearly salary from 100 000 dollars to 150 000 dollars.

And for 2030, we are aiming for TEN MILLION MERCENARIES! And ONE HUNDRED MILLION DRONES!
 
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Ikimieli

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In all actuality, that is an excellent idea. And will be implemented on some form or way.

The use of Mercenaries in armed conflicts is very good value for the money, which is why Russia recruits as many as they can and are always looking for more. That also means, that your own citizens are not participating in dangerous assault missions, for example.

Its just not the image they are trying to build in Ukraine. They are going for heroic and honorable national defense against an overwhelming opponent that uses all dirty tricks imaginable. Which it of course is, to some extend. But the announcement of public use of large amount of mercenaries do not go with that image. But in all actuality some of those "volunteers" that are fighting there within Ukrainian ranks are actually paid mercenaries.

Isnt that how they do it in America ? That it needs to be flashy, catching, entertaining and something that the people want to participate.

Who wouldnt want a peek inside live action, and then chat in there and contact the actual soldiers ?

Who wouldnt want to control their own drones and shoot actual people ?

Well, mybe not many. But some would for certain, and get hooked in it. There can be many people around the world with a lot of excess money that they dont know what to do with.

Lets for example say. That if a person like Elon Musk happens to suddenly want to do this, they probably could. And fund this all alone.

In all actuality, Elon Musk might be powerful enough to re conquer all of Donbas alone. So lets hope that he reads that, and start to think about it. Gaining eternal fame as the person, who re conquered Donbas. Which they how i understand, are now planning to re name "Donnyland" in an attempt to make Donald Trump to be inrerested on something like this.

And you know how Donald Trump does things. What i just described would be the exact thing he might do. Turning the Russia - Ukraine war to one big Reality Show, with billions of revenue from viewers and people who participate. If someone can achieve this, its him.

From a person who is rooting for a Russian Victory, perspective. They of course do not want anyone to hire mercenaries, because they want them all for themself. So of course you downplay the whole thing and make it seem like its ridiculous. Internet is full of Russian people, who hammer to everyones mind that "Russia cannot be won" "This is a war that cannot be won" "Russia is invincible" and then downplay everyone else and make them seem ridiculous. Wherever you go, there are Russian people looping this every single day and spamming every place with this same thing.

People have their routines, and they think only certain things are possible. Sometimes a collective shares these believes and sometimes they are cultural. For example, when you go to Asian world they have very different mind sets and they have serious locks, which are not present on the western societies. And for certain things, you cannot even have a conversation because they are taboos. Especially politics.

Donald Trump for example, have shown the world now, that he breaks the taboos all the time. He have different routines, and he does things in a different way, in all good and bad that it brings. Many people are put off balance, and dont like that at all. But for some reason, lots of American people like it. And what i just described there, is the exact thing that an American person might actually even do. Everyone else think its crazy and cannot be done. Russia showed us that yes, you can just invade your neighbor and start to conquer lands. No one thought that its possible but they just went and did it. And American people are constantly showing everyone, that they just do things which others never even imagine possible.

There are many examples. And for example, internet is one of them.

In western world, the leaders change. And new ideas emerge. What are there routines now, might not be what they are in the future.

Fighting mercenaries to fight their wars is the exact thing what a filthy rich capitalist does. Why would they go there dying when world is full of desparate who go there for them with relatively small amount of money ?

When you are filthy rich, this kind of money like 50 billion is nothing. And if you think what you can achieve with it, and for example. You could as a private citizen command an army of 300 000 soldiers. You can, there is no real restrictions. Some people might really like an idea of commanding an army of 300 000 soldiers all by themself. Money lets them do this if they wish. And Ukraine have infrastructure for this thing already, and would most likely agree. Offering you an infrastructure to establish a strong mercenary force that helps them on their battle.

And then there is the thing. That these filthy rich people usually network with eachother. They know eachother. And when someone of them have some idea what other of them like, they might even act as a coalition or cartel.

There might be groups or social networks with net worth of trillions. And probably are.

Money, is power to move things.

And if you are filthy rich, and someone offers you a platform where you can hit buildings or people of your choosing with remote controlled drones. And you get hooked in it like slot machines. You dont care that one shot costs you 150 000. You have 150 000 000 000 and you dont know what to do with it. You just sit all day, and launch drones to hit people and buildings and after a while, you have spent like 20 millions and wont care. And still, at that same time frame, you made more revenue than you used on the drone application which allows you to launch drones in Ukraine. Because your yearly revenue is along the lines of tens of billions.

Rich people have strange tastes. They are not anymore dictated by normal routines. You just need to find what to market to them, and even few of them who get hooked on your merchandise. They wont care what it costs.

Of course if you contact Russia, and want to establish a Mercenary army there which attacks Ukraine. So why would they say no ?

But you wont see an Ukrainian person downplaying it and tell you to take your meds. Because they dont do that. Russians are the only ones who do this and the MAGA group in America have adapted this style. They actually do this same thing. They hang out in internet every single day, and use their time to downplay everything not MAGA.

Outside of Ukrainians might not be that kind of people in the first place. They might have something real to do like fighting a war against Russia, while Russian citizens have nothing else to do than hang out in internet and float with the subject while the paid mercenaries are doing the actual fighting for them.

Russians have always done this. The picture i posted in the Russian General Thread shows you, that while Soviet Union attacked to vanguish Nazi Germany. There was zero Russian armies. And the ones who eventually broke the Mannerheim Line, were Ukrainians too.

Russians themself sit there in the back, and shoot them if they retreat. Driving them forward.

And who are the ones who celebrate Victory Day the most. Of course its the Russians. When others did the actual vanguishing. Zero Russian armies. Zero.
 
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