The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[KipPotapych]

More expert interpretation of the epic interceptor drones and complex math applications, the deal that changes everything:

Imagine thinking that one can exchange some cheap drones with questionable performance (see one of my previous posts) - that one likely doesn't have (enough of - to begin with) for the Patriot interceptors that the US fully controls distribution of, has shortage of, and:

In the meantime in Odessa, the rapid gun fire (from the magic interceptor drones, I presume?) successfully downing buckets of Geran UAVs that are slamming all over the place.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2037922921176293581

Zelensky in response to Rubio’s liar comment says that it all basically depends on one’s interpretation:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2037898210891436415

Digging his own hole. How anyone can stand the guy is beyond my comprehension.

 

[personaldesas]

When the premise is unachievable, it's nearly impossible to look at the scenario. Unless, of course, the whole point it's just a call to arms for EU/NATO against Russia.

That’s a pretty bizarre leap.

I also find interesting your: "This conflict" below... "Reason" like... Hegseth reason... or like "King & Country" reason?

I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say there. I meant “reasoning” in the normal sense: drawing inferences and reaching conclusions. Not sure what the Hegseth / “King & Country” detour is meant to address.

 

[personaldesas]

More expert interpretation of the epic interceptor drones and complex math applications, the deal that changes everything:

What an awfully written text. I checked the guy out: 300k followers.
That this kind of thing now passes for “reporting” or “journalism” says quite a lot. No wonder people are increasingly unable to inform themselves properly if they treat this sort of hysterical, breathless posting as serious informative media consumption.

 

[Feanor]

Is this really how people reason about this conflict?

It's how this persons reasons about it...

In general FB is a valuable source, he's often confirmed Russian aviation losses when other sources are silent. He's also a professional, a Russian combat jet pilot (though I believe he's not currently serving) with experience from Syria. So his commentary on things related to Russian combat aviation is in my opinion valuable and insightful. I wanted to provide it more as a good example of some of the pessimism that the last couple of months have led to in some pro-Russian circles. Don't forget, he has quite the audience. And to be clear he's hinted that he's in favor of some sort of peace along the current front line before.

 

[rsemmes]

That’s a pretty bizarre leap.



I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say there. I meant “reasoning” in the normal sense: drawing inferences and reaching conclusions. Not sure what the Hegseth / “King & Country” detour is meant to address.

"Bizarre" indeed....
Like:
~close to a decisive outcome... Like a peace agreement better than Istanbul?
~A Russian-occupied or Russia-aligned Ukraine... I thought the whole point was actually being "bizarre".
~a particularly stable end state... You mean we turning Ukraine into another Libya?
~more costly for Europe... What about for Ukraine?
~continuing to support Ukraine now. To the last Ukrainian soldier, that "decisive outcome"?

A reasonable interpretation of a bizarre point or a bizarre interpretation of a reasonable point? Should we fight Russia now because it is going to invade Europe... or should we fight the US because it will invade Greenland?


About "reason", what reason, when?
Reason applied only to this conflict? Only to that individual? FB is not a prominent member of a government? Reason applied to the US selling WMD in Iraq and the rest the rest of the world buying it? Reason about the Russian invasion or reasons?
He (FB) is one individual with his (very, if you like) personal point of view, I would expect Hegseth to reason, not him. (Actually, not Hegseth.)
When did reason ever existed?

I don't think we can see all his (FB) reasoning (or lack of) just because of that fragment of a post. I think we are selling a fairy tale about the war in Ukraine (not to mention its relation to other conflicts), some of my friends try to find more information or try to contrast that information. Some are interested in the next match of their favourite football team, I wouldn't expect any kind of reasonable comment about the war from them; I am certain that they don't expect any rational comment about football from me.