These things what i mentioned now in here, might be one of the base reasons why Ukrainians want out of Russian influence. They are tired of their attitude of disrespect towards your subjects or vassals, and they are tired of disrespect on them. But once they hurt you bad enough, the respect will come from there.
This is what they have been saying all along. That Russia only understands power.
SamB: That was a suggestion to the capitalists. I am not a capitalists and i understand your points.
But Mercenaries are a valuable asset if your goal is to win.
The way i represent it, is on purpose like this. More twisted the better the capitalists like it.
Capitalists lack all these things what you describe. You wont find them in capitalist world. They will sell you these things, or the image of it. But its not real. Its only for you to believe in, so that you sacrifice yourself for them.
There is really not much honorable people, or governments out there. But they all like to sell the image. They are cheats actually.
If those things you describe would exist on the leadership, these things might not happen and world would be a wonderful place.
I really would like what you describe more.
But what about the Russians. Is what they do along the lines what you speak of ?
What you speak of is the exact image that the Ukrainians want to build. But how much of it is real ?
And if they want to push Russians back and reclaim their territory. What would be the most meaningful way for them to do it ? To use drones and mercenaries and avoid Ukrainian losses. Or use Ukrainian citizens who sacrifice their life instead of a drone or mercenary ?
Which would be preferable. A dead Ukrainian. A destroyed Drone. Or a dead Foreign Mercenary ?
Or which would be preferable. A dead Russian. A destroyed Drone. A Dead Foreign Mercenary. Or a Dead Russian Tatar or Chechen ? They would most likely first lose a Drone, then Mercenary, Then Minority, then Russian people.
If you want to preserve your people. Throwing them in the harm's way by the millions is then what ?
And you still have the objectives that you need to accomplish. And to do so seems almost impossible, but you still need to do it.
All kind of ideals and ideologies of a honorable battle, where only Ukrainians charge and drive the Russians away, might only lead to millions of dead Ukrainians. They had the professionalism and honor, but now they are dead when Russian mercenaries and drones pummel them to ground.
Maybe the best use of a soldier is not in the battlefield, but in the factory.
"A soldier motivated by currency will choose their own life every time, resulting in mutiny. " This is why Russians shoot them. They install fear in them, and control them trough terror. They have always done this. They position their own troops behind them, and make them clear everyone is shot immediately if they turn back. Fear is also a motivator, and some systems use fear and terror. Then other thing to do is kidnap their relatives and love ones and threaten to kill or torture them if the soldier wont do as they tell them. There is no honor in that. But you gain results either way.
There is always these stories that good wins from an impossible odds, and vanguish evil by some miracle. But just look at the Russian territories. You really think they were handed them voluntarily. No, they are conquering and will do so endlessly, until they have conquered and vassalized the whole world. They push the front. Their current administration wants to mark at least the conquer of 4 Oblasts from Ukraine. Preferably more. Then they continue later. They aim to push for Moldova, and annex Ukraine and Moldova both. Then they go for other countries until they have conquered all of Europe. Then they go for other areas and expand endlessly. The only way to push them back is by force. And if you lack the will, and the force. Then what ?
Everything they say is a lie. There is no real reasons. The only reason is they want to conquer more land. They give you honorable stories about history, about "liberating" their people from those areas and that kind. Why exactly those people are there in the first place ? They have been moving their own people from this narrative. They push their own people inside other nation border, then they declare independence and come to "save" those people. This is the exact same what US did to Mexico and then annexed California and Texas. They pushed their people in as immigrants. Then those people declare independence. Then Mexico try to re establish their territory. Then US declare war and beat Mexican army, and then annex the territories. The Russian people in Donbas and Crimea are there only for one reason. To give a narrative to "save them" and the past administrations have been placing them there for this reason only.
You see Russian people moving in your country. They start to populate your border area. After 20 years they declare independence and their Army comes in to save them and annex your territories on pretext that they are "saving" and "liberating" their people who happens to reside inside your borders. The reason Russians are packed in Donbas is because its border region and to be annexed. There is no other reason. Everything else is a lie.
This is the exact reason, why Finland have monitored Russian populace in Finland very closely, and made certain that they never become majority in any area but remain a minority. Russia have also been caught on installing a proxy inside Finland, in an attempt to be activated when and if the Russian attack on Finland comes. The plot was denied. They started to buy strategic properties in strategic positions, and smuggle stuff in to establish a network to attack Finland from inside among the Russian invasion of Finland. The have also monitored Finnish army, so that the Russians wont infiltrate it from within. They install these as precaution. That if they attack, they have them in there. It might not result as an attack. But they prepare actively to attack everyone they can that if they happen to do so, they have forces and infrastructure inside that region already.
The people who last lived in Crimea were actually Turkish Tatars. But they were forcibly removed from there and replaced by Russians for geopolitical reason.
Lets say that Russia would be Australia's neighbor, and they would attack Australia. You would have a land route. Would your honor win the day, when they push endless amount of mercenaries, convicts and drones to conquer your territories that are driven either by money, or fear, or both.
You have ideals, honor, professionalism. You have tens of times fewer soldiers. You have tens of times fewer equipment.
You cannot win wars with ideals, honors, professionalism alone. You need actual military power. And in a capitalist world, you can actually buy it.
In the other thread you are speaking about equipment what you buy. Where you need that equipment if honor, ideals and professionalism will win the day regardless ?
It actually wont. The nation with one million missiles is actually just pummeling you.
This is what they are building now still. They are building a drone army, so that human lives, soldier lives can be saved. They want to use a robot, not a live person. And if they use live people, they would rather use any other than their own citizens.
In other thread, you told that Australia is not scared to put their people in the harm's way. Europe dont share that perspective. They are scared. They would rather send a drone or mercenary, than their own citizens.
What Ukrainians say is true. The only way to stop Russians is to give them so much hurt, that they have no other options. The only language they know is Power. There is no peace negotiations. The only real peace negotiation comes trough power. The moment they start to lose too much, they cannot continue. Which means that to achieve this, their society and people must be crippled. And they must be subdued with military might.
Honor, ideals and Professionalism wont help in this. You need to actually pummel them to submission and make them surrender so that they say "no more. Please. Stop. No more. We surrender. Keep your territories. Just make it stop. Just leave us alone."
And how i understand. They will. Russian society will be destroyed in the form it is today. And it will transform because of this. Their people will be traumatized for generations to come. Ukraine, and Russia both. It is in every nations interest who reside near Russia, and they reside near a lot of nations, to weaken them to the point that they become weak. And then in the same means that they aim to install quotas on Ukrainian Army, after vanguishing Russia, they must be installed these same quotas. You can then control what kind of military equipment they can have or build, how many soldiers they can have and so. But to achieve this, you need to conquer Russia first. So basically. You first wait until they are weakened. Then you attack them with overwhelming force. Then you remove their government and install a government that is more to your liking and then subdue that government to your will. The same thing that happened in Venezuela. It is not as easy.
After you do this. They become very nice to you. There is no more problem. Their people have been used to vassalization already, so they will adapt fast. And they know they have no options. Who knows, they might actually like the new Russia to come. More than this what they have now. They gain more freedoms actually. And might fare a lot better as individuals. And then, after few generations, they, and their territories can be attached to NATO and EU. This is one of the possibilities, and a very real one. But to achieve this, you must first conquer them. And that is not easy. They are currently thinking how. The question is not why or should. It is how. And in how there is only one problem: Nuclear Arsenal.
This is what they have been saying all along. That Russia only understands power.
SamB: That was a suggestion to the capitalists. I am not a capitalists and i understand your points.
But Mercenaries are a valuable asset if your goal is to win.
The way i represent it, is on purpose like this. More twisted the better the capitalists like it.
Capitalists lack all these things what you describe. You wont find them in capitalist world. They will sell you these things, or the image of it. But its not real. Its only for you to believe in, so that you sacrifice yourself for them.
There is really not much honorable people, or governments out there. But they all like to sell the image. They are cheats actually.
If those things you describe would exist on the leadership, these things might not happen and world would be a wonderful place.
I really would like what you describe more.
But what about the Russians. Is what they do along the lines what you speak of ?
What you speak of is the exact image that the Ukrainians want to build. But how much of it is real ?
And if they want to push Russians back and reclaim their territory. What would be the most meaningful way for them to do it ? To use drones and mercenaries and avoid Ukrainian losses. Or use Ukrainian citizens who sacrifice their life instead of a drone or mercenary ?
Which would be preferable. A dead Ukrainian. A destroyed Drone. Or a dead Foreign Mercenary ?
Or which would be preferable. A dead Russian. A destroyed Drone. A Dead Foreign Mercenary. Or a Dead Russian Tatar or Chechen ? They would most likely first lose a Drone, then Mercenary, Then Minority, then Russian people.
If you want to preserve your people. Throwing them in the harm's way by the millions is then what ?
And you still have the objectives that you need to accomplish. And to do so seems almost impossible, but you still need to do it.
All kind of ideals and ideologies of a honorable battle, where only Ukrainians charge and drive the Russians away, might only lead to millions of dead Ukrainians. They had the professionalism and honor, but now they are dead when Russian mercenaries and drones pummel them to ground.
Maybe the best use of a soldier is not in the battlefield, but in the factory.
"A soldier motivated by currency will choose their own life every time, resulting in mutiny. " This is why Russians shoot them. They install fear in them, and control them trough terror. They have always done this. They position their own troops behind them, and make them clear everyone is shot immediately if they turn back. Fear is also a motivator, and some systems use fear and terror. Then other thing to do is kidnap their relatives and love ones and threaten to kill or torture them if the soldier wont do as they tell them. There is no honor in that. But you gain results either way.
There is always these stories that good wins from an impossible odds, and vanguish evil by some miracle. But just look at the Russian territories. You really think they were handed them voluntarily. No, they are conquering and will do so endlessly, until they have conquered and vassalized the whole world. They push the front. Their current administration wants to mark at least the conquer of 4 Oblasts from Ukraine. Preferably more. Then they continue later. They aim to push for Moldova, and annex Ukraine and Moldova both. Then they go for other countries until they have conquered all of Europe. Then they go for other areas and expand endlessly. The only way to push them back is by force. And if you lack the will, and the force. Then what ?
Everything they say is a lie. There is no real reasons. The only reason is they want to conquer more land. They give you honorable stories about history, about "liberating" their people from those areas and that kind. Why exactly those people are there in the first place ? They have been moving their own people from this narrative. They push their own people inside other nation border, then they declare independence and come to "save" those people. This is the exact same what US did to Mexico and then annexed California and Texas. They pushed their people in as immigrants. Then those people declare independence. Then Mexico try to re establish their territory. Then US declare war and beat Mexican army, and then annex the territories. The Russian people in Donbas and Crimea are there only for one reason. To give a narrative to "save them" and the past administrations have been placing them there for this reason only.
You see Russian people moving in your country. They start to populate your border area. After 20 years they declare independence and their Army comes in to save them and annex your territories on pretext that they are "saving" and "liberating" their people who happens to reside inside your borders. The reason Russians are packed in Donbas is because its border region and to be annexed. There is no other reason. Everything else is a lie.
This is the exact reason, why Finland have monitored Russian populace in Finland very closely, and made certain that they never become majority in any area but remain a minority. Russia have also been caught on installing a proxy inside Finland, in an attempt to be activated when and if the Russian attack on Finland comes. The plot was denied. They started to buy strategic properties in strategic positions, and smuggle stuff in to establish a network to attack Finland from inside among the Russian invasion of Finland. The have also monitored Finnish army, so that the Russians wont infiltrate it from within. They install these as precaution. That if they attack, they have them in there. It might not result as an attack. But they prepare actively to attack everyone they can that if they happen to do so, they have forces and infrastructure inside that region already.
The people who last lived in Crimea were actually Turkish Tatars. But they were forcibly removed from there and replaced by Russians for geopolitical reason.
Lets say that Russia would be Australia's neighbor, and they would attack Australia. You would have a land route. Would your honor win the day, when they push endless amount of mercenaries, convicts and drones to conquer your territories that are driven either by money, or fear, or both.
You have ideals, honor, professionalism. You have tens of times fewer soldiers. You have tens of times fewer equipment.
You cannot win wars with ideals, honors, professionalism alone. You need actual military power. And in a capitalist world, you can actually buy it.
In the other thread you are speaking about equipment what you buy. Where you need that equipment if honor, ideals and professionalism will win the day regardless ?
It actually wont. The nation with one million missiles is actually just pummeling you.
This is what they are building now still. They are building a drone army, so that human lives, soldier lives can be saved. They want to use a robot, not a live person. And if they use live people, they would rather use any other than their own citizens.
In other thread, you told that Australia is not scared to put their people in the harm's way. Europe dont share that perspective. They are scared. They would rather send a drone or mercenary, than their own citizens.
What Ukrainians say is true. The only way to stop Russians is to give them so much hurt, that they have no other options. The only language they know is Power. There is no peace negotiations. The only real peace negotiation comes trough power. The moment they start to lose too much, they cannot continue. Which means that to achieve this, their society and people must be crippled. And they must be subdued with military might.
Honor, ideals and Professionalism wont help in this. You need to actually pummel them to submission and make them surrender so that they say "no more. Please. Stop. No more. We surrender. Keep your territories. Just make it stop. Just leave us alone."
And how i understand. They will. Russian society will be destroyed in the form it is today. And it will transform because of this. Their people will be traumatized for generations to come. Ukraine, and Russia both. It is in every nations interest who reside near Russia, and they reside near a lot of nations, to weaken them to the point that they become weak. And then in the same means that they aim to install quotas on Ukrainian Army, after vanguishing Russia, they must be installed these same quotas. You can then control what kind of military equipment they can have or build, how many soldiers they can have and so. But to achieve this, you need to conquer Russia first. So basically. You first wait until they are weakened. Then you attack them with overwhelming force. Then you remove their government and install a government that is more to your liking and then subdue that government to your will. The same thing that happened in Venezuela. It is not as easy.
After you do this. They become very nice to you. There is no more problem. Their people have been used to vassalization already, so they will adapt fast. And they know they have no options. Who knows, they might actually like the new Russia to come. More than this what they have now. They gain more freedoms actually. And might fare a lot better as individuals. And then, after few generations, they, and their territories can be attached to NATO and EU. This is one of the possibilities, and a very real one. But to achieve this, you must first conquer them. And that is not easy. They are currently thinking how. The question is not why or should. It is how. And in how there is only one problem: Nuclear Arsenal.
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