The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Beltrami2005

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But he doesn't (yet) control Venezuelan oil, & AFAIK China's refineries aren't set up to refine it. It's very heavy, & needs the right type of refinery.
So far no oil company has even agreed to go there. Its extremly expensive and will only generate profits in many many years. The oil is also very low quality, almost like tar. So this entire operation is another pipe dream from him.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
But he doesn't (yet) control Venezuelan oil, & AFAIK China's refineries aren't set up to refine it. It's very heavy, & needs the right type of refinery.
That's why I also posted this...
US selling Venezuelan oil to Russia? (Is that Arthur C. Clark?)
 
Where exactly do you see any illegal action? Please elaborate. It becomes illegal when we lose. Before that its risk management.

Look this tanker here for example, got neutralized by a single drone, another one followed. That alone escalated the risk to the point that shipping companies avoid russia.



As for the terminal, its still closed by today. The image is from November.

As for now, all terminals at Novorossiysk are closed.

I checked, this is all tankers in the black sea at the moment. Looks good for me:

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So oil transport through black sea is down by 100% as for today.

And thats why attacking those tankers was so important. Shipholders are easily scared away by such things.
Both tanker and cargo vessels are traveling to and from Novorossiysk and other ports day and night. Turkish, Greek, and Malaysian-flagged tankers are included. Activity can also be observed in the Sea of Azov, including traffic to and from the port of Berdyansk. So, in essence, has the shadow fleet been attacked? Yes. However, this has not made a significant dent in activity, at least not yet.

MarineTraffic
 

Beltrami2005

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Both tanker and cargo vessels are traveling to and from Novorossiysk and other ports day and night. Turkish, Greek, and Malaysian-flagged tankers are included. Activity can also be observed in the Sea of Azov, including traffic to and from the port of Berdyansk. So, in essence, has the shadow fleet been attacked? Yes. However, this has not made a significant dent in activity, at least not yet.

MarineTraffic
Thank you. So its important to keep pressure up.
 

Feanor

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A few days ago I noticed the eastern tentacle, today we have one going round Podoli; Moskovka is completely clear, on the other hand. I guess some Russian teams are somewhere in the area or passed through the area, recon for a possible consolidation or expansion towards the Russian lines to the NE.
Maybe. Honestly, I don't know. If you look at the depth of Russian penetrations around Podoly and Kurilovka, it raises questions. Could there be a similar Russian penetration around Moskovka? I think so. It's just a question of having confirmation. I think the front line here is murky, and we're dealing with a large amount of fog of war. Looking at those "tentacles" one also has to point out that they aren't exactly sustainable in that form. So either they've already collapsed or they've broadened into some other shape. Yet they're still on the map for days. I think it's a case of lack of information.
 
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Vanquish

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Apologies if this was previously posted. My opinion on Ukraine attacking Russian sanctioned or dark fleet tankers is that they are valid targets. As the revenue being generated from the sale of Russian oil does sustain and prolong the conflict. One grey area would be that Ukraine hasn't made an attempt to safe guard the crew, passengers and documents. As mentioned in the article, other States seem to recognize the war sustaining contribution that these dark or shadow fleet tankers represent. Thus seemingly legitimizing Ukraine attacking them.
 
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