Just keep in mind that as I have said before, "The first casualty of war is the truth" this is quite normal and expected as both sides will use false information to their advantage and this considered a legitimate weapon of any war. It is likely that some of the truth will never surface, even after the war has finished. However some sources will get nearer to the facts than others, but you will find that even the best of them will have failings.
The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
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cdxbow
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The picture painted in the western media of the Russian special operation invasion is that it has been a clusterf*** at all levels. That the Ukrainians have shown sufficient resolve to hold of the vastly superior Russian army. The picture painted in the Russian media is one of steady progress, welcomed as liberators, rooting out Nazis. Which view will turn out to be closer to the truth?
It's not a 'special operation' nor is it a narrative, it's a war, one started without reason by Mr Putin. No spin required.
You are conflating all different claims about Russian 'casualties'. The 30-40,000 figure comes from NATO for all losses, not just the dead. The 7000 figure started from the US some time ago, and is consistent with the lower end of the last NATO estimate (23/3) putting the number of Russians killed between 7000-15000. The Ukraine has been saying for some time the figure is over 15,000. The only Russian figure I have seen is the 498 acknowledged in early March, I have seen nothing official since. Given the extraordinary amount of armour and material the Russians have lost I don't see the Western figures as surprising. Whose numbers will turn out to be closer to the truth?
It's not a 'special operation' nor is it a narrative, it's a war, one started without reason by Mr Putin. No spin required.
You are conflating all different claims about Russian 'casualties'. The 30-40,000 figure comes from NATO for all losses, not just the dead. The 7000 figure started from the US some time ago, and is consistent with the lower end of the last NATO estimate (23/3) putting the number of Russians killed between 7000-15000. The Ukraine has been saying for some time the figure is over 15,000. The only Russian figure I have seen is the 498 acknowledged in early March, I have seen nothing official since. Given the extraordinary amount of armour and material the Russians have lost I don't see the Western figures as surprising. Whose numbers will turn out to be closer to the truth?
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Update.
Around Kiev.
Explosion in Kiev.
Ukrainian BRDM-2 destroyed near Kiev.
Another KUB-BLA Russian loitering munitions falls in Kiev.
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Smoke rising over Irpen'.
Russian Su-25s operating over Irpen.
vk.com
Positions of British fighters in Irpen'. These have apparently been operating near Kiev.
vk.com
t.me
Russian T-72 near Kiev.
Footage of a map of an alleged Ukrainian counter-offensive. Veracity is unclear.
t.me
Ukrainian PKM clones captured near Kiev.
Satellite images of flooding caused in a small village near Kiev, by the destruction of a dam, allegedly by Ukrainian forces.
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The North.
A Ukrainian D-20 battery near Chernigov getting hit.
vk.com
t.me
Smoke rising over Chernigov, presumably the city got hit.
vk.com
A Ukrainian column got hit near Chernigov. We can see two destroyed trucks, two captured NLAWs and other munitions/gear.
vk.com
t.me
More footage of one of the two destroyed T-72AMTs near Chernigov.
vk.com
Battle damage in Chernigov.
Destroyed bridge near Chernigov.
Russian troops handing out humanitarian aid out the back of an armored truck in Kherson.
vk.com
Ukrainian conscript POW, 16th btln of the 58th Mech Bde. He says their commander abandoned them, he barely ever saw his btln CO or company CO, claims they weren't at their actual fighting positions. He says they were based inside population centers with civilians in them, by their command's orders. He was taken POW wounded near Chernigov.
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Kharkov-Sumy.
Village Zhuravlevka, Belgorod region, Russia, allegedly got hit by a Ukrainian Smerch strike. Locals were subsequently evacuated.
t.me
Civilian taped to a pole with tires, in Kharkov. Allegedly the proprietor of a tire changing place that refused to provide free service to territorial defense units.
t.me
Pole taping, Kharkov. Context unclear.
Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.
Alleged Ukrainian military storage destroyed in Nikolaev.
t.me
A Ukrainian Bayraktar TB-2 was directing artillery fire against Russian positions in the Kherson airport. Presumably this is the strike that hit 3 helos and many trucks.
vk.com
Smoke rising over Nikolaev.
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Russian troops clearing mines in Kherson region. Note these minefields are near the Crimean border and have been here, allegedly, for a while. I.e. they're not related to the current war.
vk.com
LDNR Front.
Rebel forces are continuing the assault at Mar'inka, near Donetsk. This group is allegedly laying down grenade fire to suppress enemy anti-tank teams.
Fighting continues near Rubezhnoe. The town is now in rebel hands and is apparently being hit by Ukrainian artillery.
An alleged Ukrainian munitions storage at Bakhmut was hit.
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Alleged Ukrainian column destroyed near Stepnoe. Warning footage of corpses.
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Battle damage in Mihailovka, a rebel village near Gorlovka.
Battle damage at the Pavlograd-2 rail station. It was allegedly a supply junction for Ukrainian troops.
Verhnetoretskoe has been taken by the rebels. Warning footage of corpses 2nd link.
vk.com
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Furiya UAV, Ukrainian, shot down near Izyum. I think it's the same one as last time.
Battle damage in Izyum, most of the town appears to be under Russian control.
Two abandoned Ukrainian trucks, and a ZU-23-2, were captured by LNR forces.
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A strange Nona-S MT-LB hybrid (likely a 2S1 whose turret was damaged and replaced). This is probably a rebel vehicle. Nothing like this has been sighted in Russian hands, and this vehicle may be unique.
shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com
Rebel forces, assorted footage.
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Mariupol'.
Continuing strikes against Azovstal' factory where Azov fighters are supposed to be holed up.
vk.com
A barricade of destroyed buses, Mariupol'.
Battle damage in Mariupol'.
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Russian soldiers in Mariupol'. Some of the soldiers are wearing non-standard uniforms and kit. It's possible this is a rebel formation mixed in with a Russian unit. Rebel formations usually use red armbands, Russian units use white. However it's possible this isn't the case here.
vk.com
Rebel forces in Mariupol', and note the white armbands. It's possible they switched it up to avoid friendly fire incidents with Russian units assaulting the city.
An alleged Ukrainian soldier fleeing Mariupol' in women's clothes.
vk.com
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A civilian allegedly out of Mariupol' and an acquaintance of some Azov fighters. She says they were proud of tormenting and killing ordinary people, and were proud of it. She says they showed her a video of them blowing up a person with a grenade, who wasn't capable of resisting (presumably a POW).
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An impromptu cemetery in Mariupol'.
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Misc.
Destruction of a Ukrainian S-300 TEL. Note there's more then one TEL present. The one that rolled into the hangar is the one they presumably destroyed.
vk.com
Ukrainian artillery positions getting hit, location unclear.
t.me
Weapons captured from a Ukrainian territorial defense unit, including an old hunting rifle and a Stugna-P ATGM.
vk.com
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Footage of Russian repair btlns fixing trucks after damage in Ukraine.
vk.com
A Chechen btln preparing for deployment to Ukraine.
Around Kiev.
Explosion in Kiev.
Ukrainian BRDM-2 destroyed near Kiev.
Another KUB-BLA Russian loitering munitions falls in Kiev.
Dambiev
На одной из улиц Киева снова упал одноразовый дрон-камикадзе "КУБ-БЛА" производства компании ZALA (входит в концерн "Калашников").
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Smoke rising over Irpen'.
Russian Su-25s operating over Irpen.
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Positions of British fighters in Irpen'. These have apparently been operating near Kiev.
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Рыбарь
В TikTok'e появилось видео с британскими наемниками, разъезжающими в окрестностях Киева. Шейн Мэттьюс с гордостью говорит, что впервые пересекает мост, где ещё пару недель назад были русские. И это снова виртуальная перемога, потому что конкретно этот мост к югу от Ирпеня ВС РФ никогда не...
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Russian T-72 near Kiev.
Footage of a map of an alleged Ukrainian counter-offensive. Veracity is unclear.
Неофициальный Безсонов
Этого не покажут украинские СМИ. Думаю, тут и без перевода видна критическая ситуация для Украины на Киевском направлении. Корреспондент NBC немного приоткрыл украинских военных тайн.
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Ukrainian PKM clones captured near Kiev.
Satellite images of flooding caused in a small village near Kiev, by the destruction of a dam, allegedly by Ukrainian forces.
Военный Осведомитель
Спутниковые снимки от Maxar, демонстрирующие масштабную зону затопления в районе населенного пункта Козаровичи в результате взрыва дамбы на реке Ирпень у Киевского водохранилища.
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The North.
A Ukrainian D-20 battery near Chernigov getting hit.
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ANNA NEWS
Беспилотник корректирует огонь артиллерии Подразделения Вооружённых сил России в ходе выполнения специальной операции на территории Украины уничтожили батарею 152-мм гаубиц Д-20 противника на Черниговском направлении. Огонь российской артиллерии корректировался с беспилотника. @anna_news
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Smoke rising over Chernigov, presumably the city got hit.
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A Ukrainian column got hit near Chernigov. We can see two destroyed trucks, two captured NLAWs and other munitions/gear.
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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны
‼️Спецназ начал работу под Черниговом, уничтожая позиции с военной техникой и захватывая оружие. Совершаются налёты на сторожевые посты и передовые подразделения. Ждите новые кадры от армейских сил спецназначения. t.me/RVvoenkor
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More footage of one of the two destroyed T-72AMTs near Chernigov.
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vk.com
Battle damage in Chernigov.
Destroyed bridge near Chernigov.
Russian troops handing out humanitarian aid out the back of an armored truck in Kherson.
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vk.com
Ukrainian conscript POW, 16th btln of the 58th Mech Bde. He says their commander abandoned them, he barely ever saw his btln CO or company CO, claims they weren't at their actual fighting positions. He says they were based inside population centers with civilians in them, by their command's orders. He was taken POW wounded near Chernigov.
Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны
‼️Солдат ВСУ попал к армии России раненым, его выходили и вот уже живчиком он снова даёт интервью Александр Еремейчук, боец 16 батальона 58 бригады ВСУ рассказал, что командиры лгут бойцам и обманом бросают на войну с Армией России. t.me/RVvoenkor
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Kharkov-Sumy.
Village Zhuravlevka, Belgorod region, Russia, allegedly got hit by a Ukrainian Smerch strike. Locals were subsequently evacuated.
Старше Эдды
Последствия сегодняшнего обстрела села Журавлёвка Белгородской области. ВСУ обстреляли село Смерчем с кассетной боеголовкой. Местные жители эвакуированы.
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Civilian taped to a pole with tires, in Kharkov. Allegedly the proprietor of a tire changing place that refused to provide free service to territorial defense units.
Славянск Z |Артёмовск|Краматорск
❗️Житель Харькова - владелец шиномонтажки, который отказался бесплатно обслуживать терроборонцев и был моментально наказан
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Pole taping, Kharkov. Context unclear.
Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.
Alleged Ukrainian military storage destroyed in Nikolaev.
Colonelcassad
В Николаеве уничтожен очередной склад. Контрнаступление Кима на военные объекты Николаева развивается успешно.
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A Ukrainian Bayraktar TB-2 was directing artillery fire against Russian positions in the Kherson airport. Presumably this is the strike that hit 3 helos and many trucks.
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Smoke rising over Nikolaev.
Рыбарь
Атмосферный кадр вчерашнего удара по Николаеву. #Николаев #Украина @rybar *Поддержать нас: 4377 7278 0407 7977
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Russian troops clearing mines in Kherson region. Note these minefields are near the Crimean border and have been here, allegedly, for a while. I.e. they're not related to the current war.
VK.com | VK
vk.com
LDNR Front.
Rebel forces are continuing the assault at Mar'inka, near Donetsk. This group is allegedly laying down grenade fire to suppress enemy anti-tank teams.
Fighting continues near Rubezhnoe. The town is now in rebel hands and is apparently being hit by Ukrainian artillery.
An alleged Ukrainian munitions storage at Bakhmut was hit.
VK.com | VK
vk.com
Mash
Сообщается об ударе по большому складу и военной части ВСУ в Бахмуте (бывший Артёмовск) на территории ДНР.
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Alleged Ukrainian column destroyed near Stepnoe. Warning footage of corpses.
Повёрнутые на Z войне
Разбитая колонна ВСУ под Степным (уже под контролем ДНР). ————- Отмена, старая фотка из прошлого.
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Battle damage in Mihailovka, a rebel village near Gorlovka.
Battle damage at the Pavlograd-2 rail station. It was allegedly a supply junction for Ukrainian troops.
Verhnetoretskoe has been taken by the rebels. Warning footage of corpses 2nd link.
VK.com | VK
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Colonelcassad
Первое нормальное видео https://t.me/nm_dnr/7184 из Верхнеторецкого, из которого после 4 дней боев выбили части 25-й одшбр ВСУ, которая понесла там существенные потери. Как обычно, один из опорных пунктов у ВСУ был размещен в школе.
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Furiya UAV, Ukrainian, shot down near Izyum. I think it's the same one as last time.
Battle damage in Izyum, most of the town appears to be under Russian control.
Two abandoned Ukrainian trucks, and a ZU-23-2, were captured by LNR forces.
ЛуганскИнформЦентр Z
⚖️Работники прокуратуры Меловского района ЛНР при проверке поступившей оперативной информации вблизи села Алексеевка Меловского района обнаружили 2 украинских грузовых военных автомобиля КрАЗ, сообщает Генеральная прокуратура ЛНР. Осмотром автомобилей обнаружена зенитная установка, боеприпасы к...
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A strange Nona-S MT-LB hybrid (likely a 2S1 whose turret was damaged and replaced). This is probably a rebel vehicle. Nothing like this has been sighted in Russian hands, and this vehicle may be unique.
Артиллерийский гибрид
Занятный гибрид из МТ-ЛБ и башни 120-мм самоходной установки «Нона» (снятой, вероятно, с варианта 2С19 «Нона-С»).
shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com
Rebel forces, assorted footage.
ДонеZкий
Вчера я показывал вам нашу работу с воздуха, сегодня - немного фото с земли так сказать!
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Mariupol'.
Continuing strikes against Azovstal' factory where Azov fighters are supposed to be holed up.
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A barricade of destroyed buses, Mariupol'.
Battle damage in Mariupol'.
Romanov Лайт ]ࣩࣩࣩࣩ࣯ࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩࣩ
Спутниковые снимки от 22.03.2022 Мариуполь, Донецкая Народная Республика. @romanov_92
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Russian soldiers in Mariupol'. Some of the soldiers are wearing non-standard uniforms and kit. It's possible this is a rebel formation mixed in with a Russian unit. Rebel formations usually use red armbands, Russian units use white. However it's possible this isn't the case here.
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Rebel forces in Mariupol', and note the white armbands. It's possible they switched it up to avoid friendly fire incidents with Russian units assaulting the city.
An alleged Ukrainian soldier fleeing Mariupol' in women's clothes.
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Нежурка
Ещё моё видео с хлопцем в шубе и юбке. Вообще он не в адекватном состоянии (запаха алкоголя нет), но видно, что под веществами. Бойцы говорят, что боевики упороты наркотиками. Мы как раз уже снимали и находили нарколаборатории нациков под Мариуполем. Сколько нам ещё откровений принесёт этот...
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A civilian allegedly out of Mariupol' and an acquaintance of some Azov fighters. She says they were proud of tormenting and killing ordinary people, and were proud of it. She says they showed her a video of them blowing up a person with a grenade, who wasn't capable of resisting (presumably a POW).
Неофициальный Безсонов
Поддержка канала: 2202 2036 5900 4800 (Сбер) 2200 7007 4040 8140 (Тинькофф) Для связи: @Roman_oVZ ВК: https://vk.com/neoficialniybezsonov Магазин RSOTM: Rsotm.ru
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РИА Новости
Жительница Мариуполя Любовь Устинова рассказала, как неонацисты из "Азова" гордились тем, что зверски убивают жителей города
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An impromptu cemetery in Mariupol'.
Рядовой на проводе
✔️ Мрачная картина из Мариуполя В заблокированном нацистами городе, люди вынуждены хоронить людей во дворах.
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Misc.
Destruction of a Ukrainian S-300 TEL. Note there's more then one TEL present. The one that rolled into the hangar is the one they presumably destroyed.
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vk.com
Ukrainian artillery positions getting hit, location unclear.
ANNA NEWS
Российские беспилотники корректирует огонь артиллерии Министерство обороны России распространило кадры с уничтожением позиций и военной техники противника в ходе проведения специальной операции на Украине. Артиллерийским огнём, корректируемым с беспилотника, была уничтожена артиллерийская...
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Weapons captured from a Ukrainian territorial defense unit, including an old hunting rifle and a Stugna-P ATGM.
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БелВПО
Военные накрыли очередных бандеровцев-лесников, получили интересные трофеи охотничий ИЖ-18 и ПТРК "Стугна".
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Footage of Russian repair btlns fixing trucks after damage in Ukraine.
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A Chechen btln preparing for deployment to Ukraine.
Well as previously shown Russian logistics capacity is tiny compared to other capable militaries which best I can gather is a victim of the Soviet days when any war plan called for mobilization of every civilian asset they could get their hands on.
When you factor in the military being built around the battalion tactical group of which they have 163+ and something like 75% of them in Ukraine it leaves little to no room to strip logistical capacity from other groups as their are few others to take from and what they do would have a marginal impact.
Attempts over the years as I'm sure @Feanor would have better knowledge on have been made to rectify this but little to no improvement, seems to me at least they care more about what has the biggest bang then the personal and trucks to keep those weapons operating at Peake efficiency.
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I would think that the main reason logistics became a major issue is because they didn't plan accordingly. The invasion was based on the premise that the Ukranians would only offer sporadic resistance and that it would end in days. That was the assumption.
If the Russians had expected a protracted campaign involving wide spread spirited resistance I'm sure they would have planned accordingly.
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Its been almost 2 days, and the Ukranians are still claiming the counteroffensive is going strong in Kiev, a bunch of people uploaded maps, but I am not seeing the geo tagged photos yet. They claim to have borken the Russian line near Irpen.
This a reddit link thats being parroted a lot, ingore the comments-
Is there anyway to verify any of this?
This a reddit link thats being parroted a lot, ingore the comments-
Is there anyway to verify any of this?
It’s unfortunate Borealis decided to ignore a Moderator’s warning, to play nice and to provide substance in the response — that he ignored.
He is banned till 8 Apr 2022. No reply to this direction is necessary.
You asked for a source, I provided you with not only Rob Lee’s post but also the Russian news report that names the VDV losses, plus in the thread there are pictures of the send off funerals (from Russian sources). Therefore, you are engaging in lying to the forum.
Rob maintains a long but limited thread on Russian officer losses in Ukraine — he will only share information from Russian sources, either media, social media or officials, which means the family members will have been previously notified.
In general, most members in DT are not buying the Russian loss numbers cited by Ukraine — and there are third parities who photo ID each loss and then count them.
As I have said before, I am certain there is under reporting of Ukrainian losses.
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Sandhi Yudha
Well-Known Member
For a moment i thought you was talking about RAF Tornadoes or EF2000s stationed around Kiev.
GermanHerman
Active Member
The claim that russia has lost 40.000 troops is somewhat questionable as that would be Close top 25% of their total force.
That would leave anywhere between 30-40% of their BTG's beyond combat ineffective and Replacement Units would need to be formed from the remains of decimated BTGs.
I don't know what to make of the counter offensive at Kiev yet as Ukraine has a made quite some claims about counter offensives that turned out to be nothing.
If it is true how ever it provides some credibility to the 40.000 lost.
However, there remains the question why ukraine is unable to capitalize these huge losses. Why are russians able to keep their frontlines from collapsing? Why are the ukrianans unable to penetrante and overcome the russian forces?
The most likely answer is that the ukrainian army was hit even harder then the russian given their numeral advantage at the start of the war.
This is of cause also highlighted by the fact that they are unable to lift the siege of Kherson or Mariopol. At the same time this unability puts into question the 40k lossese.
If Russia has lost 25% of their troops, how can they still maintain costly urban warfare at Mariopol? How can they still make progress at the Donbass Front? How are they still holding most of Izyum where some of the heaviest forces of Ukraine are at work.
Are all the combat effective troops left down in the south?
Once again, we will see how the counter offensive in kiev goes and get a partial answer.
That would leave anywhere between 30-40% of their BTG's beyond combat ineffective and Replacement Units would need to be formed from the remains of decimated BTGs.
I don't know what to make of the counter offensive at Kiev yet as Ukraine has a made quite some claims about counter offensives that turned out to be nothing.
If it is true how ever it provides some credibility to the 40.000 lost.
However, there remains the question why ukraine is unable to capitalize these huge losses. Why are russians able to keep their frontlines from collapsing? Why are the ukrianans unable to penetrante and overcome the russian forces?
The most likely answer is that the ukrainian army was hit even harder then the russian given their numeral advantage at the start of the war.
This is of cause also highlighted by the fact that they are unable to lift the siege of Kherson or Mariopol. At the same time this unability puts into question the 40k lossese.
If Russia has lost 25% of their troops, how can they still maintain costly urban warfare at Mariopol? How can they still make progress at the Donbass Front? How are they still holding most of Izyum where some of the heaviest forces of Ukraine are at work.
Are all the combat effective troops left down in the south?
Once again, we will see how the counter offensive in kiev goes and get a partial answer.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
The French map point out that Russian progress in Dnipro theatre facing stiff resistance from new Ukrainian troops coming from North and East. @Feanor is this means this JFO units of Ukraine Army already consolidating in Dnipro ?
Afterall East is where the main Ukraine Army forces. Seems this theater and Donbas will be the main battle occurred. Perhaps the decisive one.
Sweden sends additional 5,000 anti-tank systems to Ukraine, most likely this is also AT4s (they already sent 5,000 AT4 some weeks ago). Germany says they will send 2,000 "rocket propelled grenades" -- what type could it be? teleSUR English
The UK is also sending additional 6,000 missiles, and £25m to help Ukraine pay its military and police force. Not clear what missiles will be sent, but not all will be NLAWs -- the UK has already shipped more than 4,200 NLAWs. The Guardian
The new US $800m weapons package will start shipping very soon. Biden's New Arms Package for Ukraine
As mentioned previously this package includes 800 Stinger, 2,000 Javelins, 6,000 AT4, and 1,000 M72, 100 Switchblade drones, and more. The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
I wonder how long the West can keep this up? In particular European countries have underfunded their defense for decades... I suspect some European countries will be hesitant to send much more without actually producing more first, since their stocks are so shallow.
The UK is also sending additional 6,000 missiles, and £25m to help Ukraine pay its military and police force. Not clear what missiles will be sent, but not all will be NLAWs -- the UK has already shipped more than 4,200 NLAWs. The Guardian
The new US $800m weapons package will start shipping very soon. Biden's New Arms Package for Ukraine
As mentioned previously this package includes 800 Stinger, 2,000 Javelins, 6,000 AT4, and 1,000 M72, 100 Switchblade drones, and more. The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
I wonder how long the West can keep this up? In particular European countries have underfunded their defense for decades... I suspect some European countries will be hesitant to send much more without actually producing more first, since their stocks are so shallow.
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CumbrianRover
New Member
WRT to frostbite, when you live in places like Latvia and Slovakia, you stay in Soviet style 'blocks.'
They have community heating and you are charged per square metre irrespective of whether the room is too hot or not. So, minus 20 outside and windows are open across the blocks.
You go outside and your boots get wet, after time, the water will penetrate but you go home and daub your boots after they dry out, and dry your feet, fresh socks in the morning.
I noticed that people talk about X days in the field and forget that RusMil have been in the field for months as they prepared for the invasion.
So no 'blocks,' no community heating; Early March in the Czech Republic was cold - it will have been colder in Russia and the Ukraine; inadequate heating, poor drills on personal hygiene from inexperienced troops and even experienced troops can only carry so much in bergens - remember the Falklands 1982 and Royals were drying their socks under their armpits because their was no other heating source: that is soldiering and on top of logistics issues, poor personal admin could topple RusMil.
They have community heating and you are charged per square metre irrespective of whether the room is too hot or not. So, minus 20 outside and windows are open across the blocks.
You go outside and your boots get wet, after time, the water will penetrate but you go home and daub your boots after they dry out, and dry your feet, fresh socks in the morning.
I noticed that people talk about X days in the field and forget that RusMil have been in the field for months as they prepared for the invasion.
So no 'blocks,' no community heating; Early March in the Czech Republic was cold - it will have been colder in Russia and the Ukraine; inadequate heating, poor drills on personal hygiene from inexperienced troops and even experienced troops can only carry so much in bergens - remember the Falklands 1982 and Royals were drying their socks under their armpits because their was no other heating source: that is soldiering and on top of logistics issues, poor personal admin could topple RusMil.
peterAustralia
Member
In terms of troops on the ground, Ukraine has mobilised it's nation and it's citizens are highly motivated, thus at this moment they will have huge numbers of troops in training. Russia is not mobilising it's nation as it would be policattly unwise to do so. Is we say a minimum of 6 weeks for basic training, then the first new recruits should be ready in 2 weeks.
Obviously more training is better. Skilled artillery, tank crews etc will be in short supply, however in terms of infantry Ukraine should soon have a large advantage in numbers. Russia will have more artillery, tanks, aircraft. Large numbers of Western supplied atgm should reduce the effectiveness of Russian tanks some what, dealing with superior enemy artillery and aircraft will be difficult
Obviously more training is better. Skilled artillery, tank crews etc will be in short supply, however in terms of infantry Ukraine should soon have a large advantage in numbers. Russia will have more artillery, tanks, aircraft. Large numbers of Western supplied atgm should reduce the effectiveness of Russian tanks some what, dealing with superior enemy artillery and aircraft will be difficult
Video emerging of a Russian LST on fire in the port of Berdyansk:
Reports suggest it's the result of a Ukrainian missile attack. This would be the first major Russian naval loss of the conflict.
Reports suggest it's the result of a Ukrainian missile attack. This would be the first major Russian naval loss of the conflict.
Ukraine should have the advantage in numbers of light infantry so all the Manpads/atgms supplied by the west make sense but with all footage of Ukrainian artillery getting hit and smashed gbad is there anything that can be sent to replace those losses in a meaningful timeframe? I understand that something like patriot is way too complicated but just thinking for example: a M777 might be something that an ex-D20 user might be able to be rapidly trained on? (assuming they have more men than guns?) If this war keeps dragging on then there's more time for this kind of effort to bear fruit - if the training starts now. Although I for one wouldn't want to be the one manning towed artillery on the modern battlefield (which perhaps lends weight to dumping the M777s on the poor Ukrainians in the first place)
The problem is they only have a limited size fleet of logistical vehicles in their forces which means even if they stock piled supplies along the border they can only move X amount and that amount delivered decreases the further their forces advance. Them planning accordingly would require either A. stripping the rest of the ground forces of the bulk and perhaps in cases all of their logistical vehicles or B. Commandeering civilian assets and throwing poorly trained conscripts into them. Something they haven't been able to fix in 30+ years since the Soviet Union fell apart was not going to be fixed in less then a year with better 'planning'.
The fact they had logistical troubles when invading Georgia and not much had changed since then should be a crystal clear indication of how badly the Russian ground forces are structured for a protracted campaign in depth.
CumbrianRover
New Member
Factually wrong
That is an expensive piece of kit: Brit Mil wish list but ££££.
Although, I think man portable when broken down. Happy to be corrected.
I'd prefer to be on that rather than an SPG as a much reduced heat signature.
Ummmm - No ............ and what are you thinking...........
Words fail me for a response.....
MB
1. Towed systems will be killed in a peer war. Self propelled is the way to go. Self propelled artillery’s role is to deliver indirect fires against both enemy and to suppress or destroy opposing artillery’s ability to deliver similar fires (known as counter-battery work). If you don’t know, read up.
2. The biggest problem with M777 155mm/39 systems is keeping the ammo supply train going. The US Marines will insert their M777 by helicopter.
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CumbrianRover
New Member
Nonsense, read up before posting
I'm happy to be corrected.
This replaced the Light Gun - man portable - but, being made of titanium is very expensive.
Originally, manufactured at Barrow in Furness for the USMC.
Please correct me.