The Arjun Tank

kay_man

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Ajai Shukla: Friendly fire damages the Arjun

BROADSWORD

Ajai Shukla / New Delhi April 22, 2008



The Arjun tank is in pitched battle even before fully entering service with the Indian Army. Ironically, the most hostile fire is coming from the men who will eventually ride the tank into war: the army’s mechanised forces. These experts, it now emerges, have rubbished the tank before Parliament’s Standing Committee on Defence; they say they will not accept the Arjun unless it improves considerably. What benchmarks it must meet remain undefined.


The Arjun saga encapsulates the pitfalls in any attempt to build a complex weapons system. It all began in 1974, when the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) undertook to build India’s own Main Battle Tank (MBT). The euphoria gradually waned as the DRDO missed deadline after deadline, eventually losing the army’s trust with unfulfilled promises that the tank was just around the corner. The army undermined the project in equal measure, periodically “updating” the design as technology moved on. DRDO scientists joke that whenever they approached a technology solution, the next issue of Jane’s Defence Weekly would give the army new ideas for upgrading their demands.

Exaggeration notwithstanding, the DRDO has a point in complaining about changes in the Arjun design goalposts. There is logic too in the army’s plea that it could not accept a 1970s, or a 1980s design in the 1990s and 2000. But there was neither logic nor reason in the recriminations that followed. Instead of design and R&D partners with equal stakes in the Arjun, the DRDO and the army locked themselves into mutual finger-pointing: no matter how much the Arjun was improved, there were always some flaws that remained to be sorted out.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD), meanwhile, watched mutely. With the Arjun ploughing through endless trials — 15 Arjuns have already run 75,000 km, and fired 10,000 rounds in the most extensive trials ever — the army insisted on another tank. In the late 1970s, the army bought the T-72; in the 1990s, the T-90s came along. But despite thousands of crores of rupees paid to Moscow, the Russian tanks have been raddled with problems; now hundreds of crores more are being spent in upgrading their night fighting capabilities, navigation equipment, radio sets, and their armour. Tens of Indian soldiers have died as the barrels of Russian tanks burst while firing.

In contrast, just Rs 300 crore was used in building and developing the Arjun. This is not to say that the Russian tanks are worthless. Operating military equipment is fraught with danger and upgrading is a continuous process. But the army’s tolerance for Russian defects contrasts starkly with its impatience for the Arjun.

Some army exasperation was, perhaps, understandable when the DRDO was plugging a tank that was not yet fit for the battlefield. But it is no longer justified when the Arjun is performing well. Soldiers from the 43 Armoured Regiment, which operates 15 trial Arjuns, praise the tank whole-heartedly. Problem solving will remain a part of operating the Arjun, just like with India’s Russian fleet. But while the soldiers and junior officers accept that the Arjun has come good, the generals remain fixed in the past.

As a result the army, incongruously, finds itself defending its Russian tanks from the Indian challenge of the Arjun. The tank’s developers, the Central Vehicle R&D Establishment at Chennai, has been clamouring for face-to-face comparative trials, where the Arjun, the T-72 and the T-90 are put through the same paces. After first agreeing — and even issuing a detailed trail directive in 2005 — the army has backed away from comparative trials. Instead, it told the MoD that it was buying 124 Arjuns, and trials were needed only to ascertain its requirements for spares. While doing these trials — which have nothing to do with the Arjun’s performance — the army has testified before the Standing Committee on Defence that the tank’s performance was suspect.

Contrast the Indian Army’s approach with how other countries approach complex defence R&D projects with long gestation periods, where technology gets outdated during the development cycle. The four-nation Eurofighter consortium bypassed the “technology trap” by agreeing to first develop a simpler fighter, which all participants would buy as Tranche 1 of the project. During Tranche-1 manufacture, newly developed technologies would be harnessed into a newer, more capable Eurofighter. The last Tranche-1 aircraft was delivered last month; the new multi-role Tranche-2 aircraft has been developed, meanwhile; deliveries will start now. Clear development milestones and a more accepting approach by the users have made Eurofighter a success.

The army placed an order for 124 Arjuns eight years ago, when the tank was not even a viable fighting platform. Now that the Arjun is pulling its weight (almost 60 tons!) and those 124 tanks are rolling off the production line in Avadi, this order should be seen as Tranche-1. The CVRDE is refining many of the Arjun’s systems with technologies that have been developed more recently, particularly through harnessing India’s growing IT proficiency. Assuring a Tranche-2 order for improved Mark 2 Arjuns, and allocating R&D funding would set the project on a path where India might never need to buy a foreign tank again.

One reason for the army’s judgemental approach to the Arjun is its lack of involvement in the tank’s development. Unlike the navy, which has its own directorate of naval design, and which produces itself the conceptual blueprints of any new warship, the army has no technical expertise — nor any department — that designs its tanks. The Directorate General of Mechanised Warfare (DGMF) is staffed by combat officers from the mechanised forces, most of whom see the Arjun not as a national defence project, but as a tank that they must drive into battle. A whole new approach is needed.







I WISH THE DRDO OFFICIALS WERE RICH ENOUGH TO BRIBE THE ARMY OFFICIALS INTO BUYING THE SUPERIOR ARJUN TANK THAN THE T-90 ...hmmmm:nutkick:nutkick
 

Chrom

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LOOKS LIKE SOME HIGH RANKING ARMY OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN PAID A HEFT SUM TO FAVOUR FOREIGN EQUIPMENMT (RUSSIAN).....hmmmmm

The solution lies in third party auditing. Its high time we the tax payers know the truth

Looks like you spin accusations completely unrelated to the article. Nowhere it says someone was paid.

Contrary, they agree there was major problem with engine... and try to spin it with laughable "40 min replace and move on". I mean, it is not a problem if engine fail frequently... just replace it and move on... Lol.

3rd party auditing - already makes everyone involved to laugh about India... when 2 state owned structures cant settle it by themselves or internal state experts/auditors - and needed PUBLIC 3rd party auditing... eh/
 
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kay_man

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Looks like you spin accusations completely unrelated to the article. Nowhere it says someone was paid.

Contrary, they agree there was major problem with engine... and try to spin it with laughable "40 min replace and move on". I mean, it is not a problem if engine fail frequently... just replace it and move on... Lol.

3rd party auditing - already makes everyone involved to laugh about India... when 2 state owned structures cant settle it by themselves or internal state experts/auditors - and needed PUBLIC 3rd party auditing... eh/
you are manipulating facts just to prove ur right.

1) out of the four cases of "engine" failure one was aminor problem of ball bearings in the gear box ....if u read carefully u'll know.

2) the engine and gear box are imported from the best manufacturers in the world....THEY HAVE WORKED FINE FOR 15 yrs.....and yet all at once 4 engines break down!!!!!.....seems odd..doesnt it?
mind u i know that initially they had a problem of LOW PERFORMANCE in the desert...but never heard of a breakdown.

3) those who have driven the tank 43rd regiment say its very very good !!!!

4) the most important point of all . u forget that corruption is rampant in india and army is no exception (barak/bofors deal etc.etc) . also since russians are such a major exporters to india they have a lot to lose in case we make a tank ( billions worth of precious money in the t-90 deal itself.....remember around 1000+310+330 tanks have been ordered ). corruption is a possibility considering how the army-MInistry-production units -MIDDLEMEN work .
 

Chrom

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you are manipulating facts just to prove ur right.

1) out of the four cases of "engine" failure one was aminor problem of ball bearings in the gear box ....if u read carefully u'll know.
Irrelevant. Problem is still problem whenever it caused by bad quality or forgotten wrench in gear box (which btw. is also production quality problem). Are you seriously expecting army to reassembly all newly purchased Arjuns so they work as intendend?

2) the engine and gear box are imported from the best manufacturers in the world....THEY HAVE WORKED FINE FOR 15 yrs.....and yet all at once 4 engines break down!!!!!.....seems odd..doesnt it?
As i already said - nothing strange at all. All this worked fine for 15 year on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT vehicles. They didnt worked fine on Arjun. Same as TI imagers on T-90 - sure, they work fine elsewhere. Just not in T-90 by +70 C.

mind u i know that initially they had a problem of LOW PERFORMANCE in the desert...but never heard of a breakdown.
Even if we believe you ( and they could simply disregard any reliability issue back then...) the later improving in performance could come with exactly these reliability problems. You can claim all you want how powered off tank (whenever it is engine, gearbox or something else) is not a problem - but clearly army generals think different. And i can understand why...

3) those who have driven the tank 43rd regiment say its very very good !!!!
Sure, it is not they who will pay 2x money for the tank. It is not they who will change engine and fix bugs. It is not they who will think how the hell to bring heaver tank closer to front lines... It is even not they who will try to train average indian tanker for sophisticated and delicate foreign engine, transmission, etc.

4) the most important point of all . u forget that corruption is rampant in india and army is no exception (barak/bofors deal etc.etc) . also since russians are such a major exporters to india they have a lot to lose in case we make a tank ( billions worth of precious money in the t-90 deal itself.....remember around 1000+310+330 tanks have been ordered ). corruption is a possibility considering how the army-MInistry-production units -MIDDLEMEN work .
You also forget one thing - this goes both ways. And DRDO peoples with they middlemans are by all means no angels as well. Why should i believe THEM instead of army generals, despite even more obvious DRDO mismanagement and outright lie in others, not as successful projects - is beyond me.
 

kay_man

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QUOTE=Chrom;144545]Irrelevant. Problem is still problem whenever it caused by bad quality or forgotten wrench in gear box (which btw. is also production quality problem). Are you seriously expecting army to reassembly all newly purchased Arjuns so they work as intendend?
I completely agree with u. tha army should not accept any imperfections but they ARE !!! . If they can put up with barrel bursting problems of t-72 t-90, the engine and aircon problems in the desert of the t-90, why are they soo impatient with the arjuns PUNY troubles and publicise them sooo much .( cant even call them problems .)
As i already said - nothing strange at all. All this worked fine for 15 year on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT vehicles. They didnt worked fine on Arjun. Same as TI imagers on T-90 - sure, they work fine elsewhere. Just not in T-90 by +70 C.
the arjuns engine can be replaced in 40 mins...the t-90s in under 90 mins and if the t-72 breaks down u need a full fledged facility to replace it .
and ...THE SAME 14 TANKS WHICH HAVE BBEN USED 15 yrs BACK WERE USED NOW WITH THE SAME ENGINE......thts y its suspicious .

Even if we believe you ( and they could simply disregard any reliability issue back then...) the later improving in performance could come with exactly these reliability problems. You can claim all you want how powered off tank (whenever it is engine, gearbox or something else) is not a problem - but clearly army generals think different. And i can understand why...

Sure, it is not they who will pay 2x money for the tank. It is not they who will change engine and fix bugs. It is not they who will think how the hell to bring heaver tank closer to front lines... It is even not they who will try to train average indian tanker for sophisticated and delicate foreign engine, transmission, etc.
i have never been near a tank regiment but i believe maintenence issues , repairs and also comfort and performance affects them.. so i think u r very wrong in the above statement .

You also forget one thing - this goes both ways. And DRDO peoples with they middlemans are by all means no angels as well. Why should i believe THEM instead of army generals, despite even more obvious DRDO mismanagement and outright lie in others, not as successful projects - is beyond me.
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u are wrong again my friend.....ur making no sense..
if DRDO wanted to bribe the army men into buying arjun whould'nt they buy the higher officials rather than common soldiers ?? . if they wud hav bribed the higher officials the all 3800 tanks of the army wud have been replaced with arjun and that too back in 1985-1995 itself:D



I would also like to add that the above reort i have pasted is by ajai shukla.....earlier he was a very harsh critic of arjun mbt but now hes clearly in favour of it ( now dont say DRDO bribrd him too)
Its a piece of equipment dude it can be improved !!:)
 

Chrom

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I completely agree with u. tha army should not accept any imperfections but they ARE !!! . If they can put up with barrel bursting problems of t-72 t-90, the engine and aircon problems in the desert of the t-90, why are they soo impatient with the arjuns PUNY troubles and publicise them sooo much .( cant even call them problems .)
There are no other sources about "barrel burst problem" of T-90 except obviously extremely biased DRDO guy. There are no sources about t-90 engine problem - they were either fixed long ago or didnt existed at all in the first place.

the arjuns engine can be replaced in 40 mins...the t-90s in under 90 mins and if the t-72 breaks down u need a full fledged facility to replace it .
and ...THE SAME 14 TANKS WHICH HAVE BBEN USED 15 yrs BACK WERE USED NOW WITH THE SAME ENGINE......thts y its suspicious .
You REALLY mean with SAME engine? This is indeed very susceptible and raises the question whenever Arjun was tested at all. If it were even moderately tested by internal DRDO testers or Army - every engine on every tank should be replaced 10 times already. I dont think DRDO and Army THAT incompetent - so most likely you understand wrongly term "same engine".

P.S. on the second fought, very low funds $$ for development indeed rises the question if Arjun was seriously tested by DRDO in field conditions ;(

i have never been near a tank regiment but i believe maintenence issues , repairs and also comfort and performance affects them.. so i think u r very wrong in the above statement .
Nope. Not in special-selected-test regiment, supervised by best DRDO tecnhicans.
u are wrong again my friend.....ur making no sense..
if DRDO wanted to bribe the army men into buying arjun whould'nt they buy the higher officials rather than common soldiers ?? . if they wud hav bribed the higher officials the all 3800 tanks of the army wud have been replaced with arjun and that too back in 1985-1995 itself:D
Yes, thats exactly what DRDO surely try to do. Bribe higher officials. Bribe journalists to twist public opnion.

They dont need to bribe common soldiers - i'm quite believe average common soldier could prefer Arjun to T-90.

However, the average soldiers opinion doesnt matter much because 1st he is, in fact, by far not average indian soldier. 2nd, he dont cares about all other implications of Arjun - higher cost, weight, maintainance, reliabilty.
I would also like to add that the above reort i have pasted is by ajai shukla.....earlier he was a very harsh critic of arjun mbt but now hes clearly in favour of it ( now dont say DRDO bribrd him too)
Its a piece of equipment dude it can be improved !!:)
Why not? It is now a new fashion in Indian press to bash army and prise Arjun. Why said journalist and his magazine should be any different?
 

kay_man

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grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

:mad:man its impossible to argue with you.

i guess we will just have to wait till we get new developments and im proved right ......hahahahah:cool::kar

till that time external opinion is most welcome...
 

Aliph Ahmed

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:mad:man its impossible to argue with you.

i guess we will just have to wait till we get new developments and im proved right ......hahahahah:cool::kar

till that time external opinion is most welcome...
Are you Arjun007 on PDF ?

He has been saying exactly the same thing too for the past 5 years about Arjun Tank.
 

pawan_t

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There are no other sources about "barrel burst problem" of T-90 except obviously extremely biased DRDO guy. There are no sources about t-90 engine problem - they were either fixed long ago or didnt existed at all in the first place.
yes sure the biased DRDO guys have no way to test products approved and imported by the IA, hello

P.S. on the second fought, very low funds $$ for development indeed rises the question if Arjun was seriously tested by DRDO in field conditions ;(
Well the Arjun is a Project in which the DRDO has made two tanks (read up on the history) with the army wondering about a third tank, and that shows that the primary requirement of a well oiled indigenous industry failed.

Nope. Not in special-selected-test regiment, supervised by best DRDO tecnhicans.
Yes, thats exactly what DRDO surely try to do. Bribe higher officials. Bribe journalists to twist public opnion.

They dont need to bribe common soldiers - i'm quite believe average common soldier could prefer Arjun to T-90.

However, the average soldiers opinion doesnt matter much because 1st he is, in fact, by far not average indian soldier. 2nd, he dont cares about all other implications of Arjun - higher cost, weight, maintainance, reliabilty.

Why not? It is now a new fashion in Indian press to bash army and prise Arjun. Why said journalist and his magazine should be any different?
The problem is that DRDO is a government organisation, with every penny accounted for, they will never have the funds to bribe anyone and that is a problem its a organisation without any real finalcial responsibility to earn a profit and it lacks any competition, products of many decades of socialist policy, this is fine if the army is a tin pot structure that can be made to accept anything that is on offer, however the army is a pro organisation they can not be made to do things, hence in this set up a need for competition is required, which is possible now as the economic reforms have yielded a industrial base capable enough to compete.

As for the indian magazines and news reports only god can save the people who read up on them, they are sadly the same type of people who have a habit of missing every point that is important.(kind of like aus-airpower guys with the whole superbug and JSF cant stand the brillance of 2 decade old russian birds)

Not that it matters, the only place where we need MBTs can be taken care of by the fine machines that our russian suppliers provide us with, afterall we have the resources to flood the battlefield to our advantage and go by the good old numbers. Well at least till the economy is doing as good as it is right now (or may be better) and the government has funds, if it gets as bad as 1991 that will ruin the whole scene. Lots of funds to spare here, more than ever before. Atlest with our Russian friends one thing is sure they will help us when we need them the most (remember kargil, they flew in all the stuff they could, without singing elaborate songs)
 

kay_man

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Dear aliph,

The only unwise thing that the DRDO has done is that they have tried to build everything from scratch unlike the indian navy...which stared by modifying foreign stuff and then goin on to design indegenous vessels .

But trully the DRDO approach was the right one , very diffcult but surely the right one .....

Remember the akash missile every1 thought was cancelled.....if u might know...has been successful and the air force has ordered more than 40 units !! . even the army which was crying about it earlier is now convinced of its worth and will order it after a few modifications to the base vehicle.

It is the same story with the naag ATGM.

If DRDO can build such world class stuff i find it hard to believe that they can t build a good tank .

I am willing to bet that there will be more orders placed for arjun and tht even that we will see the arjun mk2 eventually .
 

Chrom

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yes sure the biased DRDO guys have no way to test products approved and imported by the IA, hello
Do you doubt what DRDO guy might be biased?
The problem is that DRDO is a government organisation, with every penny accounted for, they will never have the funds to bribe anyone and that is a problem its a organisation without any real finalcial responsibility to earn a profit and it lacks any competition, products of many decades of socialist policy, this is fine if the army is a tin pot structure that can be made to accept anything that is on offer, however the army is a pro organisation they can not be made to do things, hence in this set up a need for competition is required, which is possible now as the economic reforms have yielded a industrial base capable enough to compete.
You know the funny part? The sentence about state owned corporation is true for many other world weapon manufactures, including russian ones.

Also, the question here is not if Army should be forced to accept "indigenous" produced tank to gain indpendent supply. The main problem here - Arjun is NOT independent produced indian tank. The share of indian components in Arjun is smaller than in T-90.
As for the indian magazines and news reports only god can save the people who read up on them, they are sadly the same type of people who have a habit of missing every point that is important.(kind of like aus-airpower guys with the whole superbug and JSF cant stand the brillance of 2 decade old russian birds)
Ya, and you still use they biased rumors and nonsense here as arguments... Lets be objective towards both Arjun and T-90.
Not that it matters, the only place where we need MBTs can be taken care of by the fine machines that our russian suppliers provide us with, afterall we have the resources to flood the battlefield to our advantage and go by the good old numbers. Well at least till the economy is doing as good as it is right now (or may be better) and the government has funds, if it gets as bad as 1991 that will ruin the whole scene. Lots of funds to spare here, more than ever before. Atlest with our Russian friends one thing is sure they will help us when we need them the most (remember kargil, they flew in all the stuff they could, without singing elaborate songs)
I understand sarcasm, but the question remains. How many indians willing to pay higher taxes so the army could buy fine Arjun instead of 20-years old T-90?

You make it sound like Arjun have the same unit & operational cost as T-90. Here is the hammer - it is not.
 

kay_man

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So what are the Indian components in T-90's?
hes just exagerating as usual .
the ajun has 65% indegenous parts and around 5% parts that were first imported but are now produced inhouse under licence etc.

if a bigger order comes along even more parts will be made inhouse. at the moment its not feasible costwise to start production units for each and evry part .
 

Chrom

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hes just exagerating as usual .
the ajun has 65% indegenous parts and around 5% parts that were first imported but are now produced inhouse under licence etc.

if a bigger order comes along even more parts will be made inhouse. at the moment its not feasible costwise to start production units for each and evry part .
65% - this may be true - but in usual special Indian way. I think they counted the number of all parts if Arjun, and then got indian share. Number of parts, but not they relative cost or importance. And then some indian-produced screw suddenly became equal in importance to german-produced engine.

Why i think so? Well, most important and expensive parts in Arjun are imported. It is engine, transmission, FCS - at very least. Probably already more than claimed 35% foreign share.
 

kay_man

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65% - this may be true - but in usual special Indian way. I think they counted the number of all parts if Arjun, and then got indian share. Number of parts, but not they relative cost or importance. And then some indian-produced screw suddenly became equal in importance to german-produced engine.

Why i think so? Well, most important and expensive parts in Arjun are imported. It is engine, transmission, FCS - at very least. Probably already more than claimed 35% foreign share.
we are talking about a very complicated war equipment here and not a bulldozer , it has a lot more sensors, systems and hardware than just an engine and a gun .
i cant even understand y u post such stupid posts.....is it to increase the no. of ur posts...or something else

it gives every1 the impression that ur just arguing just for the sake of it...........heres an advice man ..MAKE SENSE .

try google ing and reading before u post something . get the whole picture !!!
 

Chrom

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we are talking about a very complicated war equipment here and not a bulldozer , it has a lot more sensors, systems and hardware than just an engine and a gun .
i cant even understand y u post such stupid posts.....is it to increase the no. of ur posts...or something else

it gives every1 the impression that ur just arguing just for the sake of it...........heres an advice man ..MAKE SENSE .

try google ing and reading before u post something . get the whole picture !!!
Yes, a lot more sensors and hardware. I gave you only few, most expensive examples. If you think ALL other sensors and hardware are Indian produced - prove it.

Right now i dont see ANY evidence of your claims what 65% of Arjun cost is going to India. Contrary, i see clear evidence it is not.
 

niteshkjain

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The Indian Army thread is closed, so I am posting it here. Mods sorry in advance

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jun/06army.htm

Indian Army to try out DRDO's spy plane
June 06, 2008 16:53 IST

In a major step towards giving the Indian Army discrete aerial reconnaissance and target acquisition capabilities, Nishant, the DRDO's pilotless aircraft, will soon be put through pre-induction trails.

The Army is expected to take Nishant, an unmanned aerial vehicle, for 'confirmatory and training trials before induction' within a month.

"The trials are scheduled to be held shortly," officials of the Defence Research Development Organisation said on Friday.

Designed to perform discrete aerial intelligence gathering and for acquiring targets on land and air, Nishant would be put to use by the Indian Army in forward areas in Jammu and Kashmir [Images], for gathering electronic intelligence and for electro-optical reconnaissance.

In a battlefield, Nishant can help Army units to acquire targets to direct heavy artillery shelling and for guiding fighter aircraft to fire rockets and drop precision bombs at enemy positions and in an anti-tank role.

"Pre-induction trials are mandatory to affirm the satisfaction of the end-user, the Army, before these UAVs are inducted and deployed in operational areas," the sources said.

The Army had in October 2005 placed an order for ground support systems and 12 Nishants, currently under limited series production at Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Establishment.

"Of the 12 Nishants on order, the ADE has already got four of the UAVs ready for delivery to the Army. These aerial vehicles will be used to provide hands-on training to Army personnel and for confirmatory trials," a DRDO official said.

At present, Indian Army is using the Israeli 'Heron' UAVs in operational areas, including Jammu and Kashmir for aerial reconnaissance and during anti-terrorist operations.

Nishant, a remotely piloted vehicle (RPV) designed and developed by ADE, has an endurance of four to five hours and a range of 100 km in its primary roles.

Flying at a speed of 40 to 60 metres per second, the UAV is capable of relaying data in real time to the army units moving forward in a battlefield condition.

It can carry a payload of 45 kg with its integrated sensor package of Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR), laser ranger and 35 mm mini pan camera, which was developed at CSIO, Chandigarh. The 360-kg RPV is powered by ALVIS AR-801 55 bhp engine.

The Central government had in 1988 decided that DRDO would develop UAVs and had sanctioned Rs 34 crore with a foreign exchange component of Rs 8 crore towards the project.
 

kay_man

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The Indian Army thread is closed, so I am posting it here. Mods sorry in advance

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jun/06army.htm

Indian Army to try out DRDO's spy plane
June 06, 2008 16:53 IST

In a major step towards giving the Indian Army discrete aerial reconnaissance and target acquisition capabilities, Nishant, the DRDO's pilotless aircraft, will soon be put through pre-induction trails.

The Army is expected to take Nishant, an unmanned aerial vehicle, for 'confirmatory and training trials before induction' within a month.

"The trials are scheduled to be held shortly," officials of the Defence Research Development Organisation said on Friday.

Designed to perform discrete aerial intelligence gathering and for acquiring targets on land and air, Nishant would be put to use by the Indian Army in forward areas in Jammu and Kashmir [Images], for gathering electronic intelligence and for electro-optical reconnaissance.

In a battlefield, Nishant can help Army units to acquire targets to direct heavy artillery shelling and for guiding fighter aircraft to fire rockets and drop precision bombs at enemy positions and in an anti-tank role.

"Pre-induction trials are mandatory to affirm the satisfaction of the end-user, the Army, before these UAVs are inducted and deployed in operational areas," the sources said.

The Army had in October 2005 placed an order for ground support systems and 12 Nishants, currently under limited series production at Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Establishment.

"Of the 12 Nishants on order, the ADE has already got four of the UAVs ready for delivery to the Army. These aerial vehicles will be used to provide hands-on training to Army personnel and for confirmatory trials," a DRDO official said.

At present, Indian Army is using the Israeli 'Heron' UAVs in operational areas, including Jammu and Kashmir for aerial reconnaissance and during anti-terrorist operations.

Nishant, a remotely piloted vehicle (RPV) designed and developed by ADE, has an endurance of four to five hours and a range of 100 km in its primary roles.

Flying at a speed of 40 to 60 metres per second, the UAV is capable of relaying data in real time to the army units moving forward in a battlefield condition.

It can carry a payload of 45 kg with its integrated sensor package of Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR), laser ranger and 35 mm mini pan camera, which was developed at CSIO, Chandigarh. The 360-kg RPV is powered by ALVIS AR-801 55 bhp engine.

The Central government had in 1988 decided that DRDO would develop UAVs and had sanctioned Rs 34 crore with a foreign exchange component of Rs 8 crore towards the project.
wow thats good news !!
45 kg pay load...wht all weapons weigh 45 kgs ??
the naag ATGM weighs 42 kgs...but can it be launched from UAV .
how much does a short range AAM weigh ?
 

swerve

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wow thats good news !!
45 kg pay load...wht all weapons weigh 45 kgs ??
the naag ATGM weighs 42 kgs...but can it be launched from UAV .
how much does a short range AAM weigh ?
There are much lighter ATGMs. The Mistral MANPADS is also available in an AAM version, as is Stinger. 45kg is more than twice the weight of either missile.
 

kay_man

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There are much lighter ATGMs. The Mistral MANPADS is also available in an AAM version, as is Stinger. 45kg is more than twice the weight of either missile.
yes but how much damage would they do to modern MBT like say leo2 or abrams ?
the nag is made out of fibreglass composite (or some other light weight matirial like it) but it carries a huge pay load and is a top atack munition.

hom much damage would MISTRAL MAN PADS would do ?

i guess it may only be effective against light armoured vehecles . no?

one must also not forget the range. the naag has a 6 km range .
 
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