dabrownguy
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Hey i've always been confused about ATGM. When an ATGM is on a tank the tank has to be still to fire the missile...is that correct?
T-98 vs Arjun
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dabrownguy said:
Depends on the tanks FCS and/or the stablilisation hardware and s/w interface
Generally they can be fired at speed as the issues are diff than for a main gun.
dabrownguy
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Arjun has no ATGM, but i supose it has the rifle. Maybe MK2 will have ATGM.
yutong chen
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dabrownguy
Did you also know Type 98 is a prototype? India spy can't get to China's arsenal, go to globalsecurity.com and see how many military base are mapped. Is everyone here believes what the media say.
Did you also know Type 98 is a prototype? India spy can't get to China's arsenal, go to globalsecurity.com and see how many military base are mapped. Is everyone here believes what the media say.
dabrownguy
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Well most chinese say they have been inducted. I guess I believe what I see. I wasn't even talking aobut spys...Keep to the topic. We all now about the basics about the Type 98 since it is export. I really think you lost the topic guy.
dabrownguy
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Check this out.
Augmenting the capability of indigenous main battle tank Arjun, defence scientists for the first time have successfully fired a missile from the tank.
The Israeli semi-active, laser-homing, anti-tank missile was successfully fired from an Arjun tank about a week back at an Army test range in Rajasthan. Success of these missiles does not depend on the contours of the terrain.
The trial was conducted as a part of the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) continuing effort to improve the capability of indigenous main battle tank Arjun.
Incidentally, DRDO had attracted flak in the past from many quarters for its failure to deliver an indigenous tank that suits the requirement of the Army, thereby increasing the armed forces’ dependence on Russian tanks.
“We have been able to hit the target at a distance of 5 km successfully,†Mr M Natarajan, one of the chief controllers of R&D at DRDO, told Deccan Herald on Wednesday on the sidelines of the ongoing defence expo here. The anti-tank missiles can be used to strike targets at a distance of 2.5 to 6 km.
DRDO’s long-term objective is to equip the first batch of 120 Arjun tanks with missile-firing capability, Mr Natarajan said. These tanks were scheduled to be delivered to the Army by 2007, he added.
Another advantage was that the missile could be fired in two separate trajectories — aiming enemy tanks as well as helicopters.
However, many more test and user trials had to be conducted and more fine-tuning had to be done before the missile-carrying Arjun became operational, Mr Natarajan added.
Another advantage was that the missile could be fired in two separate trajectories — aiming enemy tanks as well as helicopters.
However, many more test and user trials had to be conducted and more fine-tuning had to be done before the missile-carrying Arjun became operational, Mr Natarajan added.
looks like Isreal could be India's arm supplier. They're like the mechnics of war eh?
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/feb052004/n4.asp
Augmenting the capability of indigenous main battle tank Arjun, defence scientists for the first time have successfully fired a missile from the tank.
The Israeli semi-active, laser-homing, anti-tank missile was successfully fired from an Arjun tank about a week back at an Army test range in Rajasthan. Success of these missiles does not depend on the contours of the terrain.
The trial was conducted as a part of the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) continuing effort to improve the capability of indigenous main battle tank Arjun.
Incidentally, DRDO had attracted flak in the past from many quarters for its failure to deliver an indigenous tank that suits the requirement of the Army, thereby increasing the armed forces’ dependence on Russian tanks.
“We have been able to hit the target at a distance of 5 km successfully,†Mr M Natarajan, one of the chief controllers of R&D at DRDO, told Deccan Herald on Wednesday on the sidelines of the ongoing defence expo here. The anti-tank missiles can be used to strike targets at a distance of 2.5 to 6 km.
DRDO’s long-term objective is to equip the first batch of 120 Arjun tanks with missile-firing capability, Mr Natarajan said. These tanks were scheduled to be delivered to the Army by 2007, he added.
Another advantage was that the missile could be fired in two separate trajectories — aiming enemy tanks as well as helicopters.
However, many more test and user trials had to be conducted and more fine-tuning had to be done before the missile-carrying Arjun became operational, Mr Natarajan added.
Another advantage was that the missile could be fired in two separate trajectories — aiming enemy tanks as well as helicopters.
However, many more test and user trials had to be conducted and more fine-tuning had to be done before the missile-carrying Arjun became operational, Mr Natarajan added.
looks like Isreal could be India's arm supplier. They're like the mechnics of war eh?
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/feb052004/n4.asp
dabrownguy
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Congrats to Arjun. The succesfully fired LAHAT missile will not damage the rifled gun. India has found a way to "condomize" the missile. Thats what I read on another forum. GF, is this possible?
dabrownguy said:
Technically yes, as its a variation of the sabot principle.
eg the missile could be surrounded by a teflon sleeve which falls away after discharge.
The complexity here is that the missile to be of any use would need to be a dual seeker/dual mode - and probably an all aspect missile as well
Otherwise the tank would be constricted by turret speed, elevation limitations etc.. There are a substantial amount of changes required to the tanks Fire Control System, and then there is the issue of a reduction in main projectiles as the tank would lose main armament to allow for a load out mix.
The other issue is the speed of an autoloader (is the Arjun manual or auto??) The autoloader would need to be able to select the right projectile and respond before the AT Helo acquired and killed it.
dabrownguy
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I think it is auto. I am not sure. :help
The missile would need to be universal in capability, ie, anti-air and anti-armour. If it wasn't that complicates the ordnance load out again.
eg projectiles, AAM, ATM with associated FCS complications for all
a universal missile that is all aspect would narrow it down to projectiles and Anti-materiel/anti-air
The US and Western Europe tried missile firing tanks (eg 152mm Sheridan) but they were an abject failure as the design was a compromise.
With new technologies etc it would be interesting to see whether India has circumvented the operational, tactical and logistical probs that were prev there. China also beleives in them as they have their own development of a main gun missile. The other major militaries are still avoiding and/or revisiting the concept.
eg projectiles, AAM, ATM with associated FCS complications for all
a universal missile that is all aspect would narrow it down to projectiles and Anti-materiel/anti-air
The US and Western Europe tried missile firing tanks (eg 152mm Sheridan) but they were an abject failure as the design was a compromise.
With new technologies etc it would be interesting to see whether India has circumvented the operational, tactical and logistical probs that were prev there. China also beleives in them as they have their own development of a main gun missile. The other major militaries are still avoiding and/or revisiting the concept.
dabrownguy
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I guess DRDO had some help from Isreali's because it is a Isreali missile.
dabrownguy said:
If there was a degree of disproportionate tactical benefit, then I would wonder why the Israelis have not pursued it for themselves.
dabrownguy
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They probabily did. They did it for India and got paid by India and then sold it to India and then took the knowledge home. :?
dabrownguy said:
No, the Israelis don't use GM main gun munitions. It's more like they have done ToT - like what they have done with the J-10/Lavi for China
oops, correction - Israel uses the Lahat. which now opens up a whole new can of worms.
Looks like ToT is happening with Air to Air, Air to Ship, Anti-air, AWACs and ATM's
Which might explain now the fascination of the the Chinese with the main gun fored ATM.
I'll see if I can dig up some details on development. It begs the question of whether the US laser designators are enhanced with Israeli electronics.
Salman78 said:
The Israelis are actually quite involved with Arjun now. An Israeli AFV and ballistics specialist I know of is involved. There have been substantial changes made in the last few months.
Arjun is not as "dead" project wise as many assume.
gf0012-aust said:
If no forigen orders for Arjun materialize and Indian army orders only a handful the project in my terms would be as dead as a stone (failure i mean) ... Results, Performance and Numbers are more important then whose working on what and what might the future hold. The fact remains that Indian Army is so not impressed by Arjun...
RealIndian
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Arjun & Type-98 are not same class. Type-98 is compare able with Tank-EX. While Arjun is in the same class of M1A2 SEP, Leopard2EX, Markava mk-IV. :mrgreen
RealIndian said:
An armour unit commander in Canada called the Arjun... [Admin Edit: Lets not hurt other people's feeling for this tank? Respect is the key to winning hearts and minds! Learn the art.]. When did it end up in the top of the line class tank??
: A list of problems with Arjun
-Engine problem
-Armour strength does not match requirement
-Main gun did not meet performance standard
-High cost
-More than 60% imported parts
So tell me, why would India develop Arjun MK2 if the original Arjun is already in the class of M1A2, Merkava MK4, and Leopard 2EX??
lalith prasad
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arjun2 is nothing but a version of arjun1 like m1a2 is a version of the original abhrams.by the way currently the only problem with the arjun is the engine(high cost) for which an engine is under development.arjun 2 is expected to have the new engine and all the improvements currently being developed and tested on arjun1 .check drdo.nic.in for further information.if this new engine is developed it will substantially reduce the costs of arjun.
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