Russia to get SU-35 by 2011

Haavarla

Haavarla

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Todjaeger said:
Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide, 5th Edition

page #431 lists China & Russia as the operators of the A-50, with ~28 produced.

page #497 lists Russia as operating the Ka-29TB, and India operating the Ka-31. There is a brief blurb there that the Ka-31, which was originally known as the Ka-29RLD, was a specialized AEW/EW variant sold to India. Only ~61 Ka-29/-31's were built.

I have another source which I am trying to locate. That one was the one which mentioned the issues with the A-50's in terms of inflight refueling, and the datalink problems.

-Cheers
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The export name of the A-50 sold to India is A-50EI(Export India).
Supposedly they have some elements of Israelis avionics systems onboard.

The refeuling problem on the A-50s may have been solved by increasing the lenght of the fuel-probe and lowering the towering radar dome a bit.


Feanor, how many YAK-130 have the RuAF procured?
I really fancy those trainers, what is the latest engines on the Yak-130?
RD-35 turbofans or something newer?
As i understand it, several have been upgraded with the latest Russian avionics?

If this is the case, then it should be no prob to train RuAF pilots for the upcomming Su-35 and later PAK-FA.
Last question, where is the majority of the Yak-130 and learning-center for the RuAF localized?

A small Yak-130 Utube clip:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3-APiXE2u8&feature=related"]YouTube - Yak-130 Combat Trainer, Russia[/ame]

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Wiki:
"The Russian Air Force has a future requirement for 300 Yak-130 aircraft that can be deployed as a light strike aircraft or as a trainer for a range of fourth or fifth-generation fighters. An order has been placed for the first 12 aircraft to replace ageing Aero Vodochody L-39 Albatros. The aircraft will enter service in the Russian Federation Air Force in 2007 at the military pilot training academy in Krasnodar."
 
Todjaeger

Todjaeger

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Haavarla said:
The export name of the A-50 sold to India is A-50EI(Export India).
Supposedly they have some elements of Israelis avionics systems onboard.

The refeuling problem on the A-50s may have been solved by increasing the lenght of the fuel-probe and lowering the towering radar dome a bit.
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That was an omission I found curious, as India was not listed as an operator, yet I am aware they had ordered some after they were not allowed to purchase the Phalcon from Israel.

Curiouser and curiouser...

I checked out Airforce Technology to see what they had to say about the A-50. The info on the site seems to be a bit dated. It mentions that Russia is believed to have about 16 A-50's in service, and that the Indian AEW was going to be purchased from IAI using Elta systems for AEW aboard a modified Il-76, with first delivery in July of 2007. As far as I was aware, this was the system which denied:confused:. Perhaps reason why India was not mentioned as an A-50 user in the recognition guide was it also came out in 2007 and therefore might pre-date first delivery.

China is also mentioned as having ordered 4 A-50/A-50M/U aircraft as well.

-Cheers
 
Haavarla

Haavarla

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Todjaeger said:
That was an omission I found curious, as India was not listed as an operator, yet I am aware they had ordered some after they were not allowed to purchase the Phalcon from Israel.

Curiouser and curiouser...

I checked out Airforce Technology to see what they had to say about the A-50. The info on the site seems to be a bit dated. It mentions that Russia is believed to have about 16 A-50's in service, and that the Indian AEW was going to be purchased from IAI using Elta systems for AEW aboard a modified Il-76, with first delivery in July of 2007. As far as I was aware, this was the system which denied:confused:. Perhaps reason why India was not mentioned as an A-50 user in the recognition guide was it also came out in 2007 and therefore might pre-date first delivery.

China is also mentioned as having ordered 4 A-50/A-50M/U aircraft as well.

-Cheers
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Hmm..
I think Wiki is more updated:
"Russia offered India the modified A-50EI variant with the Israeli-made radar system that much more corresponded to India’s expectations. In 2001 India ordered three A-50EI AWACS aircraft. The first aircraft was scheduled to arrive in 2007-08 but has been delayed.

Following the interest and purchase of 6 A-50's by India, Beriev and MNIIP(Moscow Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Engineering) embarked on developing a dedicated export version of their AWACS aircraft, designated A-50E (where “E” stands for export).
Depending on the customer's requirements, the aircraft may be fitted with the Russian Shmel radar II system, developed by MNIIP, or the Israeli Phalcon radar.
The A-50E aircraft are to be built by TAPO (Uzbekistan) with the assistance of Beriev (Russia) according to production forms and records, developed by the Ilyushin Aviation Association, with the new AWACS aircraft based on the series production Il-76TD, fitted with more sophisticated and powerful PS-90A engines."
 
Feanor

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The Yak-130 entered service in iirc 2007 like Wiki says. The first batch of them was built at iirc the Sokol plant, and has been delivered, following which production is being moved to IAPO where it has recently begun serial production.
 
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tphuang

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The A-50EI that India got really should be considered Phalcon rather than A-50, since only the airframe is Russian. All the onboard equipment and sensors are Israeli.
 
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Ozzy Blizzard

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tphuang said:
The A-50EI that India got really should be considered Phalcon rather than A-50, since only the airframe is Russian. All the onboard equipment and sensors are Israeli.
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Agreed. It wouldn't be accurate IMO to lump a PHALCON equipped AEW aircraft in with A-50's in general, its another beast altogether.
 
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ROCK45

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Yak-130 youtube

In the below posts showing the youtube Yak-130 doesn't it look like the intake covers are on during take off and landing? I'm sure there off and it's just because there painted white and angle it's being shot but does look like there on.
 
Haavarla

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"MOSCOW, February 19 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Sukhoi aircraft maker confirmed on Thursday that the advanced Su-35 Flanker multi-role fighter would enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2011.

"The current progress of the Su-35 testing program confirms the earlier announced timeframe for the deliveries of the aircraft to Russian and foreign customers in 2011," the company said in a statement.

The first two Su-35 prototypes have successfully conducted 87 flights since July 2008, demonstrating the aircraft's superior technical and combat characteristics. (Russia's Su-35 fighter makes first demonstration flight - Image Gallery)

Sukhoi is planning to add a Russia's Su-35 fighter to the testing program in 2009, and boost the current number of test flights to 150-160.

The Su-35 fighter, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.

The aircraft features the new Irbis-E radar with a phased antenna array, which allows the pilot to detect and track up to 30 air targets, while simultaneously engaging up to eight targets.

It is equipped with a 30-mm cannon with 150 rounds and can carry up to eight tons of combat payload on 12 external mounts. (VIDEO)

The company earlier said it planned to produce the new aircraft, billed as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology," over a period of 10 years up to 2020.

The company is expecting to export at least 160 Su-35 fighters in the future to a number of countries, including India, Malaysia and Algeria."


http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090219/120219966.html


Seems the RuAF Su-35 regiments is holding up..
 
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ROCK45

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Crusader2000 I have to agree especially from that news service I kind of lost a little faith in them lately.

I hope for Sukhoi they get the contracts if not look for some of the cool new stuff in the Su-35s be offered in some forms to Su-30 users down the road as upgrades.

And why 2011, I thought it was going to be ready before then I'll have to hunt but I thought it was suppose to be out the end of 2009?
 
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macman

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Official statements by Sukhoi tend to be pretty reliable...

As to the 2011 date, it sounds like they are either heavily upgrading an existing plant, or making a new one.
This would tend to fit in with the 'interim' tag that goes with the SU-35BM, ie. not only getting '5th gen' technologies into the airforce in preperation for the PAK-FA, but getting production lines modernised in preperation for it as well.

My take anyway..
 
Feanor

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2011 has been the official date for some time now. The article in question contains nothign new. Only a quote from Sukhoi leadership, and more rehashing of the same.

Rock I suspect that we won't know an order has been signed until they get delivered to the troops, and even then we won't know how many or which units. It's like the recent news about the Su-34 delivery. We can only speculate.
 
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Crusader2000

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If, Russia had brand new Su-35's fresh from the factory. The world would know about it. As the RuAF and Government would be showing them off at every opportunity............then and may then they could win a export order.


Russia has been claiming that it would order Su-35's for some time........kind of like that she would deliver the ex-Gorshkov to India on time and on budget.:eek:nfloorl:
 
Haavarla

Haavarla

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Crusader2000 said:
If, Russia had brand new Su-35's fresh from the factory. The world would know about it. As the RuAF and Government would be showing them off at every opportunity............then and may then they could win a export order.


Russia has been claiming that it would order Su-35's for some time........kind of like that she would deliver the ex-Gorshkov to India on time and on budget.:eek:nfloorl:
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Then again, why build 3 expensive prototypes + one Static Su-35 if no one have ordered it yet?

Even for Sukhoi those prototypes cost big bucks...

Naah, i suspect that an order by RuAF has been placed.
Logic dictates i think..
 
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Viktor

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tphuang said:
The A-50EI that India got really should be considered Phalcon rather than A-50, since only the airframe is Russian. All the onboard equipment and sensors are Israeli.
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Except for Phalcon radar all the onboard equipment are Russian.
 
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Crusader2000

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Haavarla said:
Then again, why build 3 expensive prototypes + one Static Su-35 if no one have ordered it yet?

Even for Sukhoi those prototypes cost big bucks...

Naah, i suspect that an order by RuAF has been placed.
Logic dictates i think..
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Sorry, there is no logic in keeping a Su-35 Order a Secret! Really, just the opposite as Sukhoi desperately needs a contract for the type.............



Hard to win a export when your own Country and Air Force won't buy your Aircraft!


With all do respect that argument hardly stands up to scrutiny.....;)
 
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Crusader2000

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Viktor said:
Meaning Sukhoi got the orders or do you belive Sukhoi director has decided to produce some Su-35BM for Russia free of charge.
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Well, this has been debated many times over and over again...........There is no evidence that Sukhoi is going to start production on the Su-35 anytime soon. Nor, has the Russian Government officially ordered the Su-35.........


As for the Director of Sukhoi's claims. They are plently on High Ranking Russian Officals that have made such claims over the past couple of years. Yet, which is typical...........NOTHING HAPPENS!


Trust me if Su-35 Production was about to start the "whole world" would know about it.........
 
Feanor

Feanor

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Crusader2000 said:
Well, this has been debated many times over and over again...........There is no evidence that Sukhoi is going to start production on the Su-35 anytime soon. Nor, has the Russian Government officially ordered the Su-35.........
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How do you know it hasn't been ordered officially? Zelin clearly stated that 2-3 regiments would be purchased.

As for the Director of Sukhoi's claims. They are plently on High Ranking Russian Officals that have made such claims over the past couple of years. Yet, which is typical...........NOTHING HAPPENS!
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Actually plenty has happened, and at this point plenty more is being kept under wraps. If you'd like to look at T-90A deployments, Iskander deployments, etc. you will note that significant numbers have been deployed.

Trust me if Su-35 Production was about to start the "whole world" would know about it.........
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Of course it (serial production) hasn't started. The date has been given as 2011 for quite some time now. Check the calendar. It's 2009. ;)
 
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