Tunnel is entirely on russian side. It was guarded by russians. Would be very hard to sneak enough forces to drive them off. Only options was terroristic act - apparently they tried it but were catched.
Russia-Georgia Conflict: News From the War zone
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http://exiledonline.com/photo-essay-russian-army-in-south-ossetia/
Photo essay, with lots of hardware, results of airstrikes, russian soldiers/irregulars ect. Best I've seen yet.
Features dead bodies and wounded in some of the pictures, viewer discression advised.
http://exiledonline.com/the-cnn-effect-georgia-schools-russia-in-information-warfare/
another good article on the importance of winning the media war.
Photo essay, with lots of hardware, results of airstrikes, russian soldiers/irregulars ect. Best I've seen yet.
Features dead bodies and wounded in some of the pictures, viewer discression advised.
http://exiledonline.com/the-cnn-effect-georgia-schools-russia-in-information-warfare/
another good article on the importance of winning the media war.
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Damn, you read the exile too?
Hehe... I actually thought about posting the War Nerd article about it here yesterday but I thought it was too informal.
Anyways, Russia's Foreign Minister Lavrov just said that that the Western world could "forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity after it's shelling of S.Ossetia.
In other news/propaganda, a Georgian government website and some American officials said that Russian troops appear to be destroying/sabotaging Georgian airfields and military infrastructure in attempt to cripple the already battered Georgian armed forces.
Here is an article from Ynet News (Israeli-based) website about Israel's involvement, its military cooperation with Georgia and its origins, and its attempts to limit the political fallout of it all.
eXiled now, unfortunately. Yeah those guys certainly got a unique perspective!
@eckherl
Yeah understand where your coming from, but sometimes I think its a good idea seeing what military hardware actually does to people.
Some of the more war mad among us probably wouldn't be so enthusiastic if they saw the results more often. As an ex service man you don't need any reminding, but that doesn't go for everyone.
I've put a health warning on the link.
Many Thanks.
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A few more updates from the warzone. Kokoity and Nogovitsuin (the Colonel-General who's been making most of the press statements for Russia) have both confirmed large numbers of mercenaries that fought for Georgia, including a number of blacks. Russia is also evacuating military equipment from bases near Poti and Gori that was left behind by Georgian forces.
I must say this whole affair has quite a medieval feel to it, mercenaries, irregulars, paramilitary troops, pillaging looting, ethnic cleansing, standing armies, land sea air warfare, speres of infulance, Actually what am I saying, its very 20th centuary! It kind of feels like the 20th centuary in microcosim.
When you say blacks, do you mean african americans? or africans?
I light the term evactuating...its not like there ever going to give it back
Is there anyword on material loses on the Georgian side? I wonder if they managed to get most of there gear out.
The US State Department is reporting that the Russian armed forces have deployed two SS-21 Scarab TELAR's into "Georgian territory".
Here is a quote from US Deputy National Security Adviser Jim Jeffrey:
Here is a quote from US Deputy National Security Adviser Jim Jeffrey:
Did anyone else notice how he referred to Vladimir Putin as President instead of Prime Minister...?
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The Georgians love pushing Russia's buttons. As for withdrawing from Gori, Russia is supposed to hand control over to the Georgian police by August 14th. Earler today Georgian police tried to re-enter the city but were turned back by Russian patrols without any fighting.
And from Tbilisi we have information that Georgian troops have returned to peacetime basing. Russian forces have left the city of Zugdidi, which they entered earlier with Georgia permission, and will soon leave Gori.
Finally in a rare gesture of reason and level headedness heads of Ministries of Foreign Affairs of Russia and Georgia had a phone conversation in regards to the principles of regulating the conflict brought to Tbilisi by Sarkozi.
And from Tbilisi we have information that Georgian troops have returned to peacetime basing. Russian forces have left the city of Zugdidi, which they entered earlier with Georgia permission, and will soon leave Gori.
Finally in a rare gesture of reason and level headedness heads of Ministries of Foreign Affairs of Russia and Georgia had a phone conversation in regards to the principles of regulating the conflict brought to Tbilisi by Sarkozi.
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A few more news. Human Rights Watch has said that the actual numbers of wounded civilians in Russian hospitals is 50-60, meaning the numbers dead would be even smaller then that. They said that it's possible that the figure 1500-2000 dead was gotten by counting the volunteers that fought in S. Ossetia as civilian casualties.
Finally Saakashvili made an announcement stating that as part of the humanitarian mission, American forces would control Georgian airports and sea ports, but was quickly overturned by U.S. officials who claimed nothing of the sort would happen.
EDIT: The same HRW reports that Russian casualties are much larger then 74. From the Chechen batallions East and West casualties were around 74 people alone. There were undoubtedly casualties in other units as well.
EDIT2: An interesting article from the Eurasian Monitor. Somewhat pro-western but reflects the situation with CIS member states and their political allegiances in the light of the Georgia-Ossetia conflict.
http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373316
Hehehe Firehorse, from your article; oh those evil Russians!
Journalists heard around 20 explosions and gunfire in Gori today. A Georgian journalist was wounded on the scene, with camera footage of it. Whether the city was handed over as it was supposed to be, or not, remains to be seen
http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/Ge...azed-by-bullet-during-report-/1218734860.html
Medals have been handed out by the Russian side, for the operation in Georgia. Quite possibly this is the first time that our new (since USSR) army can be proud of it's medals.
Cases of looting have been admitted to by Russian officials and Kokoity. Two looters (unspecified whether Russian or Ossetian) were executed. Eduard Kokoity also said that Georgia refugees will not be allowed to return to S. Ossetia. The Georgian villages will be repossessed by S. Ossetian forces to prevent further hostilities. There are also rumors that opposition politicians of Kokoity are being rounded up, beaten, and harassed.
Finally it seems like the new U.N. resolution in regards to Georgia is finally ready.
Finally Saakashvili made an announcement stating that as part of the humanitarian mission, American forces would control Georgian airports and sea ports, but was quickly overturned by U.S. officials who claimed nothing of the sort would happen.
EDIT: The same HRW reports that Russian casualties are much larger then 74. From the Chechen batallions East and West casualties were around 74 people alone. There were undoubtedly casualties in other units as well.
EDIT2: An interesting article from the Eurasian Monitor. Somewhat pro-western but reflects the situation with CIS member states and their political allegiances in the light of the Georgia-Ossetia conflict.
http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373316
Hehehe Firehorse, from your article; oh those evil Russians!
EDIT3: And another update. There have been pervasive rumors and even some official announcements about American refusal to participate in the "Активные Усилия" (sorry don't know English name, maybe someone else does) Naval exercises involving Russia, in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean.. However no official cancellation has been received by Russia from NATO. The FRUKUS-2008 in which the US refused to participate with Russia seem to be going ahead as scheduled in regards to all the other nations involved. The U.S. risks being left our a minority, when France and the UK are still agreeing to participate.
Journalists heard around 20 explosions and gunfire in Gori today. A Georgian journalist was wounded on the scene, with camera footage of it. Whether the city was handed over as it was supposed to be, or not, remains to be seen
http://www.necn.com/Boston/World/Ge...azed-by-bullet-during-report-/1218734860.html
Medals have been handed out by the Russian side, for the operation in Georgia. Quite possibly this is the first time that our new (since USSR) army can be proud of it's medals.
Cases of looting have been admitted to by Russian officials and Kokoity. Two looters (unspecified whether Russian or Ossetian) were executed. Eduard Kokoity also said that Georgia refugees will not be allowed to return to S. Ossetia. The Georgian villages will be repossessed by S. Ossetian forces to prevent further hostilities. There are also rumors that opposition politicians of Kokoity are being rounded up, beaten, and harassed.
Finally it seems like the new U.N. resolution in regards to Georgia is finally ready.
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Russia continues to mock the Georgian gov as US pet project, meaning a puppet gov, and it certainly seems to be true when Sarkozy when going to negotiate the peace deal with Saakashvilli was surprised with the presence of 3 US advisers for the Georgian president.
At this point its hard to see if whether Saakashvilli was a rash person hard to control as being portrayed by the media now, or was this all set in motion by US.
The ongoing conflict does gives the US extra support in trying to get NATO members to admit Georgia into NATO, this dec which would be the last meeting for Bush.
At this point its hard to see if whether Saakashvilli was a rash person hard to control as being portrayed by the media now, or was this all set in motion by US.
The ongoing conflict does gives the US extra support in trying to get NATO members to admit Georgia into NATO, this dec which would be the last meeting for Bush.
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Galrahn has posted on the MOSKVA story on Wired.
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/while-the-media.html
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/while-the-media.html
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"In Washington, President Bush on Friday chided Russia for Cold War-style behavior, saying, "Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century."
"The Cold War is over," Bush said. "The days of satellite states and spheres of influence are behind us.
To which the Russian ambassador replied,
"Roflmfao."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/15/us.russia/index.html
"The Cold War is over," Bush said. "The days of satellite states and spheres of influence are behind us.
To which the Russian ambassador replied,
"Roflmfao."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/15/us.russia/index.html
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So another update. Russian forces have finished destroying munitions and evacuating weapons from Gori. Saakashvili has signed the peace agreement in regards to regulating the conflict and Medvedev has reportedly also "agreed to sign". Finally the post-peace peacekeeping contingent in S. Ossetia will not include Georgian forces, and will be much larger including tank units, according to Russian officials.
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