Russia-Georgia Conflict: News From the War zone

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Firehorse

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Absolute rubbish.. US State Dept persistently told Saakashvilli that he was overstepping the mark and that he was walking into something.
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That was done privately, by some accounts; but publicly- until very recently-Russia was labeled an agressor against "small, democratic Georgia". http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2008/08/108194.htm

In early July, Rice traveled to Tbilisi with the explicit intention of trying to rein him in. In her July 10 press conference, she made it clear that Washington was alarmed by his military moves.
"The violence needs to stop," said Rice. "And whoever is perpetrating it - and I've mentioned this to the president - there should not be violence."
David L Phillips, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Los Angeles Times last week he believes that, despite State Department efforts to restrain the Georgian president, "Saakashvili's buddies in the White House and the Office of the Vice President kept egging him on."
But whether more specific encouragement took place or not, the deeper roots of the crisis lay in bureaucratic self-deceit about the objective of expanding NATO up to the border of a highly suspicious and proud Russia in the context of an old and volatile ethnic conflict. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH26Ag02.html
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So, whoever miscalculated there, it is clear as day that now the State Department is in damage control mode. That's my opinion, which is shared by many.
BTW, I just edited my last post #3. And I hope it's not "absolute rubbish"!
 
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Firehorse said:
So, whoever miscalculated there, it is clear as day that now the State Department is in damage control mode. That's my opinion, which is shared by many.
BTW, I just edited my last post #3. And I hope it's not "absolute rubbish"!
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For goodness sake. This gets down to the basic issue of people scraping together source material to fit their view of the world.

The Atlantic Monthly is philisophically the complete opposite in its view to the Republican party. Of course they have a view.

what it ignores (conveniently) is that State Dept in actual fact was getting consistent feeds from the Estonians that the Russians were more than aware of the Georgian plans and were anticipating how to deal with it.

and again, there is a vast difference from public statements that countries make on their actions and what the background diplomacy is generating. eg, you may publicly support a position taken, but the background nose is very different. we do it wrt East Timor, New Guinea, even NZ did it differently with the US.

The Estonians and the Lithuanians had their fingers on the pulse as the lasy thing they wanted was for the Georgians to trigger an event which would have repercussions on their own countries (no love lost between some of those former states and the Russians).

If you want to foster conspiracy theories then this isn't the site to do it.
 
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Here's a link to the new War 08.08.08 documentary by the Russia.ru channel. A heavily biased perspective of course, but none the less a lot of interesting information. For example the Georgians handed out AK-74 assault rifles to civilians residing near S. Ossetia. And there is strong evidence of Georgian terrorist activities in S. Ossetia before the war.

http://war080808.com/
 
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it has been vary hard to find any completly un biased reporting of this conflict. With such varied stories comming from both sides, coupled with conflicting eye witness accounts one almost had to have been there to gain any insightful information
 
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mattyem said:
it has been vary hard to find any completly un biased reporting of this conflict. With such varied stories comming from both sides, coupled with conflicting eye witness accounts one almost had to have been there to gain any insightful information
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In truth there is never an unbiased report of any war for that matter. But why this 1 is questioned so much is because it involves the russians, and not NATO.
 
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Here's a very insightful summary.

HOW FIGHTING BROKE OUT

August 7, 3pm: OSCE monitors see build-up of Georgian artillery on roads to South Ossetia.

6.10pm: Russian peacekeepers inform OSCE of suspected Georgian artillery fire on Khetagurovo, a South Ossetian village.

7pm: Georgia declares a unilateral ceasefire.

11pm: Georgia announces that its villages are being shelled and launches attack in South Ossetia.

11.30pm: Georgian forces bombard Tskhinvali.

11.45pm: OSCE monitors report shells falling on Tskhinvali every 15-20 seconds.

August 8, 12.15am: Commander of Russian peacekeepers reports that his unit has taken casualties. Russia later announces that it has invaded Georgia to protect civilians and Russian peacekeepers.
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Feanor said:
Here's a link to the new War 08.08.08 documentary by the Russia.ru channel. A heavily biased perspective of course, but none the less a lot of interesting information. For example the Georgians handed out AK-74 assault rifles to civilians residing near S. Ossetia. And there is strong evidence of Georgian terrorist activities in S. Ossetia before the war.

http://war080808.com/
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very nice documentary.. the Georgian civilians were evacuated before the war...
 
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The source was you own article provided in the previous post. I hoped that posters, having read your articles (especially you, since you posted it) would recognize where it came from.
 
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SkolZkiy said:
US asured him that they will cover him from Russia =) But Russia beat him. Of course US didn't cover him because in all cases the cold war with Russia is much more better than a hot war (we still have 2000 nuclear cakes and US still don't have AMS against all this). And we all responsible for the wars which we provide - I think so.
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Absolute Rubbish, the U.S did not assure him of anything, he was advised not to partake in this adventure because it would of most certainly gotten the Russians involved, Georgians were no where near of even being close to fighting in a cohesive force structure, they were being trained in small leader infantry tactics to support their role in Iraq. Do not bring this type of crap to this forum, all you are doing is trolling and pissing the wrong persons off.
 
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You are talking about official announcements of US SD and president administration and I'm talking about what was in real life. Yes US instructors trained only special forces but Somebody financed their army - during last 5 years the ammount of different weapons increased twice or more. I've already posted link to article where were given the numbers of georgian army. Read it attentively. Who financed all this how do you think?? Georgia had no that money. I know the answer and I announced my opinion
 
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