Russia - General Discussion.

Let's bring this back on point. I think it's clear there are difference in culture and mentality between Russia and many European countries. I also think these differences are bigger between Russia and Spain than between France and Spain. But I think we're looking at a gradation far more than a clear single line difference. Certainly Russia and Ukraine in terms of culture and mentality are extremely close, far more so then even France and Spain, never mind Ukraine and any western European country. There is no single unified "European" culture or mentality. It's a large continent, whose borders (depending on who you ask) might even include a piece of north-western Kazakhstan, and certainly include at least part of the Caucus mountains. Abkhaz farmers in the depth of the Georgian Caucuses are European, blood feuds notwithstanding. Gatekeeping attempts to define who "counts" as European and who doesn't are old, and have an ugly history. They're an unproductive way of looking at the situation, and are generally a part of the ideological framework and propaganda apparatus of various entities rather than an objective attempt to categorize peoples and nations.
I had a teacher who defined it quite good. Core europe is basicly the Roman Empire. Italy, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal. Then you have the inner periphery UK and Germany. Its crazy in Germany because the western part west of the rhine was roman and you feel this divide even today in mentality, culture and way of thinking. Then onwards the further you go the more its losing that core europe mentality. Ukraine has a long greek and ottoman history and closer connection to rome than the the mongol horde. It was always split in that regard. Now if you take russia it has some european civilisation pockets mostly in St Petersburg and Moscow, mostly because Catherine the Great who was german and brought some sort of enlightenment and civilisation there but it never took hold in the population at large scale. Even in 19th century the majority of russians were peasants like like 500 years behind.

Europe as a concept has no hard borders but is fuzzy at its rim. And that fuzziness is not just in area but also time.

My own country Spain is a prime example for that, we have incredible old customs that predate written history. Some aspects like Mari and Basajaun can be traced back to 35.000 years.
 

swerve

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Just checked, out if curiosity, travel advisories on the Canadian government website. ... advisory for Spain is to “exercise high degree of caution”, same as India, Jamaica, Honduras, etc. So not all green in paradise, it appears.

Is that why Spain is the preferred spot for the Russian organized Crime to set up shop, in spite of occasional (every few years) raids by the Spanish law enforcement?
The reason given by the Canadian government is -
Spain - Exercise a high degree of caution
Exercise a high degree of caution in Spain due to the threat of terrorism.
Which seems odd.

The British government's only special warning for Spain is of travel disruption after the rail crash 5 days ago. Spain is generally a very safe country (a third of Canada's homicide rate, lower than most of Europe), & is exceeded only by France in its number of foreign tourists.

Aha! It says the same for several European countries, e.g. France, Italy, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands & the UK. So it's not specific to Spain. Because of Russia, maybe?

Context, context, context.
 
The reason given by the Canadian government is -


Which seems odd.

The British government's only special warning for Spain is of travel disruption after the rail crash 5 days ago. Spain is generally a very safe country (a third of Canada's homicide rate, lower than most of Europe), & is exceeded only by France in its number of foreign tourists.

Aha! It says the same for several European countries, e.g. France, Italy, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands & the UK. So it's not specific to Spain. Because of Russia, maybe?

Context, context, context.

Agree and we have indication that russia seeks people to comitt terrorism in europe. We now even know that the Independence scam in catalonia was heavily funded by russia.
 

crest

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I had a teacher who defined it quite good. Core europe is basicly the Roman Empire. Italy, France, Greece, Spain, Portugal. Then you have the inner periphery UK and Germany. Its crazy in Germany because the western part west of the rhine was roman and you feel this divide even today in mentality, culture and way of thinking. Then onwards the further you go the more its losing that core europe mentality. Ukraine has a long greek and ottoman history and closer connection to rome than the the mongol horde. It was always split in that regard. Now if you take russia it has some european civilisation pockets mostly in St Petersburg and Moscow, mostly because Catherine the Great who was german and brought some sort of enlightenment and civilisation there but it never took hold in the population at large scale. Even in 19th century the majority of russians were peasants like like 500 years behind.

Europe as a concept has no hard borders but is fuzzy at its rim. And that fuzziness is not just in area but also time.

My own country Spain is a prime example for that, we have incredible old customs that predate written history. Some aspects like Mari and Basajaun can be traced back to 35.000 years.
If your talking territory yes tho I guess the limit there is by how you chose do define it. One could easy say the tectonic plate is what defines Europe. Personaly I go with religion trade and treaty pacts. As despite cultural differences the similarities if close enough to form those ties are usually strong enough to allow great intermingling and therefore shared culture.

If your talking society norms then definitely not the Roman Empire. Not to take away from the legacy they have left. But Europe today is not as a society the Roman Empire. It was a highly militaristic society not very big on human rights (unless your Roman). And very for a lack of a better word masculine in its accepted social behaviors. Violence was as much of a virtue as logic and reason in romen society

It's just a pet peave I have that most people who think there country is like rome don't realize rome would have put them to the sword and made slaves of them for no other reason then the weakness they seen in there society. In fact I would say Russia has a view more Roman sence of social norms then say Spain but it's a false analysis as of course neither are romen
 
If your talking territory yes tho I guess the limit there is by how you chose do define it. One could easy say the tectonic plate is what defines Europe. Personaly I go with religion trade and treaty pacts. As despite cultural differences the similarities if close enough to form those ties are usually strong enough to allow great intermingling and therefore shared culture.

If your talking society norms then definitely not the Roman Empire. Not to take away from the legacy they have left. But Europe today is not as a society the Roman Empire. It was a highly militaristic society not very big on human rights (unless your Roman). And very for a lack of a better word masculine in its accepted social behaviors. Violence was as much of a virtue as logic and reason in romen society

It's just a pet peave I have that most people who think there country is like rome don't realize rome would have put them to the sword and made slaves of them for no other reason then the weakness they seen in there society. In fact I would say Russia has a view more Roman sence of social norms then say Spain but it's a false analysis as of course neither are romen
You dont know Spain. Thats the problem. Look at our history and notice we peaked Rome on all the points you mentioned. I think Russia would not have been able to do the Conquista even today. Do you believe "violence" is a concept alien for us? One of the most violent sports is a core symbol in our nation, bull fighting. Russia appears quite effeminate for us, since it attacks weaker countries ...and loses.
 

crest

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You dont know Spain. Thats the problem. Look at our history and notice we peaked Rome on all the points you mentioned. I think Russia would not have been able to do the Conquista even today. Do you believe "violence" is a concept alien for us? One of the most violent sports is a core symbol in our nation, bull fighting. Russia appears quite effeminate for us, since it attacks weaker countries ...and loses.
If soane was romen in culture and supported Ukraine they would be fighting in Ukraine. Full stop
And the acceptance of violence e is a far cry from the actual doing of it. In Rome for example you worked all week to spend you money on watching slaves murder eachother in close combat. This was fine this was normal. The idea of decimation in a army was accepted (if very very rare). But this was idea if you retreat in battle every tenth man gets beat to death by the other 9. It's a question of will the two societies are far apart yo would never hear in Europe for example "crush the skulls of there children under your sandals"
It's not a insult to say one isn't romen it's more a comment on those who think they are that perhaps they have no idea what Rome was or that most likely they would be enslaved by that culture simply because they would be considered weak. Rome had some great things about it but make no mistake it was a brutal society and proud of it. Truth is I don't think there is any countries in the west that have the stomach to be romen. Slavery and genocide were the norms of the day
 
If soane was romen in culture and supported Ukraine they would be fighting in Ukraine. Full stop
And the acceptance of violence e is a far cry from the actual doing of it. In Rome for example you worked all week to spend you money on watching slaves murder eachother in close combat. This was fine this was normal. The idea of decimation in a army was accepted (if very very rare). But this was idea if you retreat in battle every tenth man gets beat to death by the other 9. It's a question of will the two societies are far apart yo would never hear in Europe for example "crush the skulls of there children under your sandals"
It's not a insult to say one isn't romen it's more a comment on those who think they are that perhaps they have no idea what Rome was or that most likely they would be enslaved by that culture simply because they would be considered weak. Rome had some great things about it but make no mistake it was a brutal society and proud of it. Truth is I don't think there is any countries in the west that have the stomach to be romen. Slavery and genocide were the norms of the day

You totally get it wrong. Talking is never violence. Violance is always an act. Spain always used nice words to do things Russia could never.

You dont know Spain, its amazing. How you think we conquered the americas? Do you believe we cuddled the Inka to death? Do you think the Aztecs were hugged into complete destruction? How you think we mined in Potosí? Its estimated 2 million people died in the silver mines there. The spanish empire used slavery and violence on a scale you cant imagine. Our ancestors first burned through the natives who could not survive the harsh work in the mines and when they were none anymore, they brought in africans who succumbed under the high altitude. Spain erased countless peoples from this planet.

And guess what? We have documentations here in spanish TV and its celebrated. There is no shame.

As for Ukraine, we dont need to fight in Ukraine because Russia is weak enough that this can be handled as proxy war. The roman empire used similar tactics in its day. If Russia were a threat for Europe, we would join. But so far it looks like Ukraine can handle it alone.
 

crest

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I'm not speaking against Spain here I'm just saying it's not culturaly Rome those who think it is don't know Rome. Personaly I don't like slavery or genocide. The only insult if it is one one is pointing out that support for a war without actually fighting in it and claiming Roman culture is not a very accurate representation of Roman culture.
Spain is a amazing place with lots of history and as far as I know a great culture. Then again I also think Russia is a fascinating culture.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuccessionTV/comments/17jst97
I know it's Reddit but this is the extent of Roman slavery they stopped a law to require slaves from wereing different colored yoga's on the fear they would realize how outnumbered romens were and revolt
 
I'm not speaking against Spain here I'm just saying it's not culturaly Rome those who think it is don't know Rome. Personaly I don't like slavery or genocide. The only insult if it is one one is pointing out that support for a war without actually fighting in it and claiming Roman culture is not a very accurate representation of Roman culture.
Spain is a amazing place with lots of history and as far as I know a great culture. Then again I also think Russia is a fascinating culture.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SuccessionTV/comments/17jst97
I know it's Reddit but this is the extent of Roman slavery they stopped a law to require slaves from wereing different colored yoga's on the fear they would realize how outnumbered romens were and revolt
I ask again, are you aware about the scale of slavery we had in the americas? Are you aware about Potosí ect? Do you know how crazy it is to have 2.000.000 slaves die at 6000m altitude in the Andes?
 

crest

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I ask again, are you aware about the scale of slavery we had in the americas? Are you aware about Potosí ect? Do you know how crazy it is to have 2.000.000 slaves die at 6000m altitude in the Andes?
I'm aware of the scale of it in certain locations it was above that of Rome but in general no slavery was everywhere in Rome it was in many cases a call for war. Not hidden or a expect benefit but litterity the entire reason in some cases. That as a social norms is different then what your talking about. Anyways that is only a part of the point I'm making about the mentality of Rome a mear aspect of the society that created the military machine, the Colosseum and well not the creator but definitely a holder of the belief in the soldier citizen. And that society is not Europe today or anywhere infact
 

swerve

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I ask again, are you aware about the scale of slavery we had in the americas? Are you aware about Potosí ect? Do you know how crazy it is to have 2.000.000 slaves die at 6000m altitude in the Andes?
4000 metres. I've been to Potosi. It's not on one of Bolivia's highest mountains.

2 million deaths would be about 8300 per year over the 240 years of the mit'a (selected districts required to provide conscript workers for the mines), but we don't really know how many died. We can't just look at the populations of the places where mitayos were recruited (forcibly), because we don't know how many of the mitayos who never returned home died, & how many went somewhere else, & nor do we know how many men left their home districts to avoid the mit'a altogether. The nature of the mit'a, with men working for spells of months each year, also complicates calculations. It could have been more, or it could have been fewer. Historians debate it.

The districts from which mitayos were taken seem to have suffered population declines relative to other parts of Bolivia & Peru, but we don't really know if that's due to the loss of men on the mit'a, emigration (though the mit'a may very well have been a factor in emigration) or just poverty. I think they may have been poor, in general, before it began.

From what I've read the statistics aren't good enough for anywhere near precise estimates of the deaths in the mines.
 
4000 metres. I've been to Potosi. It's not on one of Bolivia's highest mountains.

2 million deaths would be about 8300 per year over the 240 years of the mit'a (selected districts required to provide conscript workers for the mines), but we don't really know how many died. We can't just look at the populations of the places where mitayos were recruited (forcibly), because we don't know how many of the mitayos who never returned home died, & how many went somewhere else, & nor do we know how many men left their home districts to avoid the mit'a altogether. The nature of the mit'a, with men working for spells of months each year, also complicates calculations. It could have been more, or it could have been fewer. Historians debate it.

The districts from which mitayos were taken seem to have suffered population declines relative to other parts of Bolivia & Peru, but we don't really know if that's due to the loss of men on the mit'a, emigration (though the mit'a may very well have been a factor in emigration) or just poverty. I think they may have been poor, in general, before it began.

From what I've read the statistics aren't good enough for anywhere near precise estimates of the deaths in the mines.
I was there 2024. Lets say in that way, i understand why they dont like us there too much. :X

But i agree that the region was poor even before we arrived. There really isnt much you can do in that altitude.

Btw how did you deal with the altitude? I do bodybuilding and i guess need alot of oxygen. I was taking pictures and talking with my friends...and next thing i remember all were standing around me worried. Turns out my eyes rolled up mid speaking and i collapsed, was ko for moment then came back and i cant even remember that. Also i did feel weak, tired and even sleeping doesnt make you feel better. I cant imagine to work under that condition. o_O
 

swerve

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How did I deal with it? I didn't fly from near sea level to the nearest airport. That's all. I travelled overland from Argentina, starting at Tucuman. Overnight train to the border at Villazon (3450 metres), where I & the Swiss couple I was travelling with wandered around for a while, then bus to Potosi.

Same when I went over the Rohtang Pass, in India, which is about the same altitude. Got off a bus from Manali (2000 metres) at 4000 metres, then went for a hike - uphill - with two Australians, a nurse (who I met by chance in Amsterdam a year later) & a doctor. Their medical skills weren't needed.

No special preparation. Same when I skied in Les Deux Alpes (highest lift 3600 metres). I was nearly 50 then. I relied on general fitness (I've always been physically active, cycling, walking everywhere, etc.), not lugging too much weight around (either fat or muscle bulk) & not doing anything silly, e.g. didn't go to the highest lift at Les Deux Alpes immediately: left it a day. My house is only 50 metres above sea level, BTW.

But we digress . . ..
 

KipPotapych

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Just wanted to (highly) recommend this podcast talking about the Russian oil industry. You should walk away with a good basic understanding of the subject matter and be able to better evaluate media reports about the state of the industry and its direction, prices and discounts, and so on. They discuss sanctions, drone strikes, future, etc. the podcast is led by a fellow Canadian from Toronto.

 
Just wanted to (highly) recommend this podcast talking about the Russian oil industry. You should walk away with a good basic understanding of the subject matter and be able to better evaluate media reports about the state of the industry and its direction, prices and discounts, and so on. They discuss sanctions, drone strikes, future, etc. the podcast is led by a fellow Canadian from Toronto.

Really interesting, because for some reason Russias budget on the other sides takes hits and russia is even forced to sell its gold stockpile

Russia poised for ‘traumatic’ budget amid gold sell-off and oil revenues slide

Good thing is, gas prices in Europe are very low.
 

KipPotapych

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Ok, weird conclusions in the post above, but I will provide another learning opportunity here. Doubt it will take with the young Spaniard, but maybe some random reader will find this helpful.

At first, I stopped reading the article referenced above and closed the page at

[…]co-founder of the Ukraine Business News Network, said[…]

This is usually - I’d say in at least 90% of the cases and probably closer to 100 when they talk about Russian economy and business - a dead giveaway that what you are about to read is pure propaganda that has little to do with how things really are. It matters not whether you believe me or not, but this is how it is.

But anyway, I then clicked on the link again and continued reading, getting to this part:

Oil and gas, once accounting for nearly 40% of Russia’s budget revenues, now contribute closer to 20–25%, McNamee said. The decline has accelerated following new U.S. sanctions on energy giants Rosneft and Lukoil and continued Ukrainian strikes on Russian energy infrastructure.

Let’s see about the budget composition first and his statement of “once accounted for”. So here is a chart for illustrative purposes (it is real stuff though form 2023):



The chart was taken from this article: How Russia saved the 2023 budget – Riddle Russia.

As you can see from the chart, where green and yellow represent tax revenue, the oil and gas portion is somewhere between the “expert’s” declared 20 and 25%. In other words, over 75% of the budget revenue in 2023 was internally generated via income tax and consumption. When the guy says “once accounted for nearly 40%” (it actually used to hit more than 40%), he tries to give you the impression that this is a recent development. In reality, it has not been the case for over a decade. To be more exact, this ratio in the budget revenue generated from exports of hydrocarbons to that generated internally started changing rather dramatically after 2014, after the first Ukraine related sanctions were imposed - they started “bulletproofing” their economy (and actually did an excellent job, as is clearly evident from the past 4 years, as well as prior years).

There was also an increase (of 2%) in VAT effective January 1, which is going to affect this ratio as well, time will tell which way. I would bet five bucks that the same “expert” or his colleague(s) talked about this sales tax increase as “zomg, inflation spiked in Russia in January!”. Anyone who reads news from questionable outlets must have seen an article talking about it. For educational purposes, a tax increase like this is not inflationary (and no tax increases generally are), unlike, for instance, Trump’s tax in the form of tariffs and the way he implements the policy. In case of the former, there is a one time price increase of 2% with clearly defined policy and exemption clauses (if any - I never read the legislation or detailed reports because I don’t care), there is no uncertainty and it is a well implemented policy to raise revenue and bring the self-sufficiency to hydrocarbon-dependency ratio further in line with economic and (geo)political goals of the administration. This is why the overall inflation downward trend in Russia has not changed. Furthermore, this is a deflationary measure, which will help central bank in its fight with overheated economy and the resulting inflation. In case of the latter - the Trump administration policy of tariffs - on the other hand, even the most educated and experienced people in the field cannot predict the future and the downward inflation trend was reversed in April of last year and it has been heading up ever since due the uncertainty and a whole lot of it. This is one of the examples when an authoritarian government can implement better economic policy, provided the policy is the right policy to implement to begin with. Democratic governments do not have this luxury. Anyway, this is already beyond the scope of what I was going to say, so let’s get back to the “expert” in the article cited.

The “decline has accelerated” that the “expert” in the article is talking about is, again, not entirely related to the reasons he provides (sanctions and UA strikes). I mean those had an effect, surely and obviously. UA strikes much less, about a margin of error; sanctions more so, but the effect from sanctions is temporary due to the nature of the product that is being sanctioned (this should have been one of the takeaways from the podcast I recommended above). The biggest effect, however, was the overall drop in oil prices, increase in the value added tax, etc. In other words, there is a picture being intentionally painted in the article for the reader to draw certain conclusions that are not only wrong for today’s situation, but they have no representation of the future and cannot be applied to make any reasonable forecasts about what is going to happen to the Russian economy. It is simply nonsense targeted at an average reader who knows nothing about the subject matter beside what the other similar article told them last week and another the month prior. It is simple manipulation of half-valid (which is very important) data/information to make the reader draw conclusions that have no relationship to reality, like “Russia is doomed” and “the collapse is coming”. One should probably ask themselves why it is the case: why is this bullshit being spread over and over and over..? Funny enough, none of the infamous “forecasts” have materialized in the past four years, yet many still keep making the same forecasts and the “unsuspecting” reader (which is extremely weird in itself to still be unsuspecting) buys it and carries it on.

Anyway, last comment on this section of the “expert’s” opinion. Provided the oil and gas revenue in Russia drops by, say 10% on the year (very important, not just some month(s), but the entire year), a direct impact on the budget would below 2.5% and likely below 2%. Does this look like something we are actually seeing in real life? Now transfer this train of thought to today’s headlines like “Russia is going to take a huge hit from India’s 30% reduction in the RU oil purchases” (which probably isn’t going to happen to begin with). I can do the “fundamental math” for those interested. So all this “traumatic” and “catastrophic” stuff is just words meant to entice the audience and keep the excitement and involvement going, nothing more. It’s like views and likes on any social media platform.

I did not read the article further, but I have a fairly good idea of what they talked about. So let’s look at a few charts here. Here is one, the price of gold in the past 10 years (the screenshot is from yesterday, the price is lower today):



Source: Gold Price

Russia’s gold reserves in metric tonnes over the past 10 years:



Source: Russia Gold Reserves

Another chart from the same source as above representing the annual change (in metric tonnes) over the past decade:



Over 99% of the Russian gold reserves (which currently stand to be fifth in the world and represent about 30-35% of the total FX reserves of the country) were purchased before 2020. In fact, one can draw a correlation between the price of gold and Russia dumping US treasuries and buying gold up to the invasion (about 2019, to be exact, and relatively minor purchases since). In other words, and again, this “traumatic” budget and gold sell-off relationship is red hot garbage to excite the audience. A decent, not excellent though, read on the current state of events as far the US treasuries are concerned, sanctions, etc:


Anyway, there are many parts here that require some preexisting knowledge and understanding/expertise. Some refer to this preexisting conditions as “Russian propaganda” nowadays. And this is fine - I, personally, could not care less what any individual thinks of it (including my posts). My main concern is that this is a groupthink with a group big enough to fuck things up for everyone, pardon my language. That is, how this and other stuff is carried over to a bigger picture, where lives of millions are affected in very negative ways largely because of it. The entire global landscape is being affected by this nonsensical stuff and propaganda. Yes, sure, one can talk about the fact that this is because of the Russian aggression and Russia can go home anytime and whatever else (and they are not wrong), but the reality is somewhat different currently and has been for a while and we are here today staring at this, with many like a deer in the headlights. And I don’t mean stunned and amazed, but like staring onto oncoming traffic and having no effing clue about what is really going on. I understand that four, even three years ago (for those without a slightly deeper education in economics and knowledge of the Russian affairs) it was a reasonable reaction. I would also think that since then one would consider that something is off and instead of referring to everything else as “Russian propaganda” would consider expanding their views and learn and think critically, leaning on facts. Alas, if people simply look and believe stuff like this, for example:



Instead of simply checking the forecast:



What can one do? Probably nothing. More complex stuff seems to be way beyond the capabilities of an average modern individual.
 

KipPotapych

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Another “expert” opinion:

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Imagine being an expert and using the words “growing” and “stagnating” in the same report, talking about the same entity. One would think that the author, Vasily Astrov, holding a Masters degree in Economics would know the difference.

He is also regularly consulting the European Commission on the Russian economy.

It isn’t surprising then where the idiotic assessments by the members of the EC and others are coming from. And back to my comment on the groupthink.

I would challenge him on the “1.2% is very low by its standards” clause too.

Exactly the same thing as in the article I talked about in the previous post: take real data, interpret it in ludicrous way, and then make conclusions that fit your narrative. This is modus operandi in the “industry” and such reports and articles are a dozen a day. Why there is hardly any challenge within the scientific community is puzzling because one would think that it is harmful to its intellectual standing, etc. Like I said before, it was understandable 4 years ago due to lack of familiarity and many unprecedented contingencies. It is no longer the case. A couple of doctorates on the subject could be defended in this time frame.

P. S. If one economy is in stagnation and the other growing at double its rate, by definition the other is also stagnating.

I also wonder if the forecast for Ukraine was made under the assumption of partially operating grid and to what degree if so. Maybe I will read the actual report (though I am not really that interested).

P. P. S. The guy also has a degree in geography. Probably never makes mistakes in geography either.
 

KipPotapych

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Here is a thought. There is also “expert community” in Russia with similar modus operandi, that claims regularly and for years that Europe is rotting and is about to implode, etc. They are shown on state TV, quoted in the written media, etc. RT was banned in many places for this very reason. These guys are usually looked at as clowns and those who believe or amplify their rumbles are looked at in the same way, believed to be Russian agents, or simply idiots with lack of mental capacity to sort through reality and propaganda. They are also called populists nowadays if they are affiliated with government at any level.

Can someone explain to me what difference is here?
 

KipPotapych

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Wish there was a way to play it here, but I do not believe there is.

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The most popular answer was Fukuyama (laughing), followed by Churchill, a couple of FDRs and JFKs, etc. Some 40 replies only though.

The correct answer is the early V. V. Putin though (few got it right, probably with the help of google). On his last day of being the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation (the first time), December 30, 1999.


In Russian, but an interesting read for those who are more “involved”, simply for perspective of back then and now, as well as an early look, perhaps, into the man’s mind. This is a very long read, relatively speaking. If I have time (and the will) I can try to write a summary if there is any interest.

Many things stick out like thorns there, but here is one example. Young Vladimir Vladimirovich (the dude was only 47 then, imagine that!) says that Russia’s GDP is (well, was then) 10 times smaller than that of the US and 5 times smaller than that of China. I am not sure if he was talking in nominal or real terms, but would take a guess and say nominal because he also talked about the GDP per capita in Russia being $3,500 at the time, which was 5 times lower than the average of the G7 countries, according to Putin (bad comparison, but he tried to make a point). At least a couple of things should be noted here, of course: 1) nineties were horrible in Russia, and I mean very tough time (what Putin referred to as the greatest tragedy, always completely misrepresented); 2) China had about 10 times the population of Russia, so 5 times the economy is not bad in comparison (still isn’t). Provided the 2), we cannot make easy reasonable analogy to today (same is true for the US, as well the G7), but the raw statistics suggest that, according to the latest numbers (q3-q4 2025), Russia’s (nominal) GDP is now 12.5 times smaller that that of the US and about 8 times smaller than China’s. Per-capita average GDP in G7 is not as straightforward and raw statistics will not do much good, but the raw number is at about 3 times lower in Russia now. Purchasing parity numbers are a different story, but that is not what the future president was talking about. To note, the per-capita numbers, again, are more difficult to compare as presented because the composition of the “average” within the G7 has changed as well. For example, the per-capita comparison with that of the US remained at the multiplier of about 8, yet the average has dropped from 5 (according to Putin) to about 3 (3.25, to be more precise). Some of the G7 members are clearly lagging behind (yes, looking in the mirror, first and foremost).

Anyway, I thought this might be of interest to some. Historic perspectives are surely interesting.

On this same subject:

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From here: https://x.com/BrankoMilan/status/2024462809434607789

I had talked about Ukraine in this very thread previously, but most of the rest of the pack is new to here. To note, and what I had also talked about in this very thread, the number for Russia would be noticeably different if Crimea had never happened (I personally think this was inevitable though if Ukraine were to be “independent”). I would also propose the number would be just as different if Russia simply “gave up” Donbas after Crimea, which would be a reasonable thing to do; an alternative would arguably be to roll through the eastern Ukraine then, but I do not believe there was any intent for such development at the time (but it surely would make a lot more sense than what we are seeing today).
 
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