That is a very good point Rob. Well done!
Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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I agree it was a very good deal. US dollars , New Zealand dollars. All I know is the US taxpayer is left holding the bag.
I don't think mutiny is the way to go - I'd rather jump into the turning propellers than face a picture of Comarde Helen.
On another issue, what are the key issue facing the navy that the defence review has to deal with. My thoughts are...
1. The ANZAC upgrade and managing its cost.
2. How and what to we replace Manawanui, Endeavour with and
3. What maritime combat capabilities do we need in the post 9/11 world and an a factured Pacific.
I think for #1 the ANZAC upgrade will be limited to the bare basic's - ESSM, 2nd channel of fire and a limited sensor upgrade that deals with critical issues (i.e support for aging equipment etc). #2 has been addressed in part, previously on the board. I think 3 is going very tied to pacific / medium intensity operations, if it is addressed. I'm wondering if any one interested in a dumbed down ANZAC (No SPS-49, No ESSM but SeaRam and going back to the original plan to fit a 76mm)
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Aussie Digger
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It will be interesting to see whether RNZN is able to include this technology:
http://www.thalesgroup.com/australi...70204-0F18-343C-661E-5D3025785E02&type=Market
into her ANZAC upgrade. On the surface, it seems like a relatively easy way to include the much needed "multiple channels of fire" capability...
I don't see the logic for an ESSM quadpack upgrade without a multi-channel missile capability. If you are going to do the former you should also do the latter. What is bothering me the most is there is no program to replace out of date torpedoes. I would think that would be the first item on the agenda.
recce.k1
Well-Known Member
Fingers crossed (and it would be great for the RNZN ANZAC's to have a similar upgrade to the RAN ANZAC's)!
According to this recent news release, the RNZN ANZAC upgrade is priced out to be between NZ$287 and NZ$845 million for the two ships.
Unfortunately I suppose it all depends where the politicians draw the line i.e. bare bones upgrade versus something no doubt similar to the RAN's upgrade programme. Let's hope it's the latter, there's no point in the RNZN having ships that sitting ducks and not up to a full range of threat scenarios etc. Even the RNZAF's Skyhawks used to take out the ANZAC's regularly during exercises!
StevoJH
The Bunker Group
If they were getting the same upgrade as the RAN ANZAC's they would not be having their CWIS refurbished as the RAN ANZAC's no longer have the weight margin to operate a CWIS.
HMNZS Rotoiti to be delivered
The New Zealand Herald is reporting that Rotoiti is to be delivered on Thursday 16 April and commissioned on the Friday. A few errors in the report, but at least they're starting to arrive. The OPV's are heading for mediation, with no confirmed delivery date. The full article is here.
I would still like to see them with a 25mm on the front.
The New Zealand Herald is reporting that Rotoiti is to be delivered on Thursday 16 April and commissioned on the Friday. A few errors in the report, but at least they're starting to arrive. The OPV's are heading for mediation, with no confirmed delivery date. The full article is here.
I would still like to see them with a 25mm on the front.
The RNZN probably wouldn't operate Harpoon though-so there would still be room for a CIWS on board, unlike on RAN Anzacs.
Excellent news.Lucasnz said:
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
Maybe yes, and maybe no...
The RAN Harpoon containers are immediately forward of the bridge, whilst the RNZN Phalanx is aft, above the hangar. Depending on how the weight distribution is laid out, there might still be an issue unless the weapon system is relocated and/or other equipment is re-arranged internally.
-Cheers
Its interesting to note that the Ministry of Defence website states that one of the issues being addressed for the RNZN ANZAC upgrade are "Stability management" issues. I don't think any upgrades the RNZN are going to do will be significant if they're already having to actively manage stability, in this manner. Good planning though and I wonder if they've learnt from RAN experiences.
Ah the advantages of a ship with a larger displacement.
Project Protector
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0904/S00117.htm
p.s. They sometimes remove stories so here it is in full...
Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral David Ledson says the upcoming delivery of the four new Inshore Patrol Vessels (IPVs) is an important and significant step for the Navy and the New Zealand Defence Force, as well as for the country.
The Minister of Defence announced earlier today that the four ships, ROTOITI, HAWERA, PUKAKI and TAUPO are soon to be delivered, beginning with ROTOITI, which will be officially handed over to the Navy on Friday 17th April in Whangarei before sailing to Devonport Naval Base on Friday 24th April. The ship will be affiliated to the port of Napier and the Hawke's Bay region, reflecting the special relationship with the Navy that stretches back to the 1931 earthquake.
“The delivery of these ships reflects a lot of hard work by the New Zealand Defence Force, in particular the Navy, and the Ministry of Defence,” Rear Admiral Ledson said.
“The IPVs will be very capable ships and they will provide increased opportunities for our Sailors, both in the Regular and Naval Volunteer Reserve Forces , to have new and exciting challenges and experiences. Importantly, too, they will enable the Navy to make a wider contribution both to New Zealand in our Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and further a field; particularly in the South Pacific.“ RADM Ledson said.
“Along with the new Offshore Patrol Vessels and the Air Force’s P3 Orion Maritime Surveillance Aircraft, they will provide a ‘step up’ in the Defence Force’s ability to work in close partnership with government agencies such as Department of Conservation, Ministry of Fisheries, Police, Customs and the Ministry of Foreign affairs and Trade to address New Zealand’s security challenges.”
"We're grateful to the contractor, BAE, for their contribution to the significant effort that has gone in to securing the delivery of these impressive new ships."
"Today is a very exciting day for the Navy,” Rear Admiral Ledson said.
ENDS
Background information on Project Protector IPVs
The Ministry of Defence and BAE Systems have agreed a formal delivery schedule for the Navy’s new Inshore Patrol Vessels (IPVs).
The ships are ROTOITI, HAWEA, PUKAKI and TAUPO. Prior to departure from Whangarei, they will be commissioned into naval service.
The ships are built to a modified Philippine Coast Guard “San Juan class” design. The Philippines Coast Guard currently operate 4 of this class and have been doing so since 2000.
The first IPV, ROTOITI, is planned to be delivered to Devonport Naval Base on 24th April, with the remaining three ships being delivered over the following six weeks.
The timetable for formal handover to the Navy and ceremonial commissioning of the new ships will be advised in due course.
The Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPVs) are complete and have undergone sea trials, but the contractor has not yet offered them for delivery as there are still some issues to be resolved.
Narrative Ship Data
The IPVs are versatile vessels capable of multi-agency operations in support of national security tasks.
At 55 metres long and with a contracted 3000-nautical mile range (although the sea trials show that the range is likely to be in the region of 7000nm which is double the contracted requirement), they will contribute significantly to the patrolling of New Zealand’s 15,000km coastline, and our Exclusive Economic Zone out to 200 nautical miles. The primary role of the IPVs will be patrol and response to maritime security incidents within the inshore zone around New Zealand.
In addition to patrolling, an IPV’s tasks will include surveillance, response and boarding operations, and search and rescue. Secondary roles for the IPVs will be in New Zealand disaster relief and defence aid to the civil community.
The IPVs will have a complement of 20 naval personnel and four Government agency officers. They also have the capacity to host 12 additional personnel onboard for general naval training or other duties.
Additional Information
Compared with the Inshore Patrol Craft (1990s) and the Lake Class Patrol Boats (mid-70s to late 80s) the IPVs are like comparing a Ferrari with a Toyota Hilux. The IPVs are much faster (over the double the speed of the IPC) and highly manoeuvrable. With active fin stabilisers, they provide a comfortable ride, they are far more sophisticated (modern off the shelf equipment and automated systems including unmanned machinery spaces) and significantly more capable (long range, modern communications and surveillance systems) and they look smart!
The introduction of the IPVs will be an exciting time for the Royal New Zealand Navy. There would be many senior officers watching the young Commanding Officers with envy as the IPVs are significantly better than their predecessors.
The Navy has never had anything as capable and sophisticated as these ships which are specifically designed to undertake a range of tasks for several Government agencies including Customs, Ministry of Fisheries, DoC, Police, MFAT, NZDF and Maritime New Zealand.
Their introduction will enhance Navy's recruitment and retention as these ships frequent ports around the NZ coast.
Specification
Displacement 340 Tonnes
Length 55m
Beam 9.0 m
Draught 2.9 m
Speed 25 kts
Range 3000 nm @ 12 kts
2000 nm @ 16 kts
Main Engines 2x 2500 Kw
Stabilised Yes
Armament 3x.50 MG
Core Complement 20
Multi Agency Complement 4
Training Complement 12
Kennels 2
Boat Capacity 2 x 7.3 m Zodiac RHIB
Deployable by 2 x Powered Davits
Radars X band
Electro Optics Surveillance Yes
HF Radio 2
SATCOM Yes
Scoop have a much better article:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0904/S00117.htm
p.s. They sometimes remove stories so here it is in full...
Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral David Ledson says the upcoming delivery of the four new Inshore Patrol Vessels (IPVs) is an important and significant step for the Navy and the New Zealand Defence Force, as well as for the country.
The Minister of Defence announced earlier today that the four ships, ROTOITI, HAWERA, PUKAKI and TAUPO are soon to be delivered, beginning with ROTOITI, which will be officially handed over to the Navy on Friday 17th April in Whangarei before sailing to Devonport Naval Base on Friday 24th April. The ship will be affiliated to the port of Napier and the Hawke's Bay region, reflecting the special relationship with the Navy that stretches back to the 1931 earthquake.
“The delivery of these ships reflects a lot of hard work by the New Zealand Defence Force, in particular the Navy, and the Ministry of Defence,” Rear Admiral Ledson said.
“The IPVs will be very capable ships and they will provide increased opportunities for our Sailors, both in the Regular and Naval Volunteer Reserve Forces , to have new and exciting challenges and experiences. Importantly, too, they will enable the Navy to make a wider contribution both to New Zealand in our Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and further a field; particularly in the South Pacific.“ RADM Ledson said.
“Along with the new Offshore Patrol Vessels and the Air Force’s P3 Orion Maritime Surveillance Aircraft, they will provide a ‘step up’ in the Defence Force’s ability to work in close partnership with government agencies such as Department of Conservation, Ministry of Fisheries, Police, Customs and the Ministry of Foreign affairs and Trade to address New Zealand’s security challenges.”
"We're grateful to the contractor, BAE, for their contribution to the significant effort that has gone in to securing the delivery of these impressive new ships."
"Today is a very exciting day for the Navy,” Rear Admiral Ledson said.
ENDS
Background information on Project Protector IPVs
The Ministry of Defence and BAE Systems have agreed a formal delivery schedule for the Navy’s new Inshore Patrol Vessels (IPVs).
The ships are ROTOITI, HAWEA, PUKAKI and TAUPO. Prior to departure from Whangarei, they will be commissioned into naval service.
The ships are built to a modified Philippine Coast Guard “San Juan class” design. The Philippines Coast Guard currently operate 4 of this class and have been doing so since 2000.
The first IPV, ROTOITI, is planned to be delivered to Devonport Naval Base on 24th April, with the remaining three ships being delivered over the following six weeks.
The timetable for formal handover to the Navy and ceremonial commissioning of the new ships will be advised in due course.
The Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPVs) are complete and have undergone sea trials, but the contractor has not yet offered them for delivery as there are still some issues to be resolved.
Narrative Ship Data
The IPVs are versatile vessels capable of multi-agency operations in support of national security tasks.
At 55 metres long and with a contracted 3000-nautical mile range (although the sea trials show that the range is likely to be in the region of 7000nm which is double the contracted requirement), they will contribute significantly to the patrolling of New Zealand’s 15,000km coastline, and our Exclusive Economic Zone out to 200 nautical miles. The primary role of the IPVs will be patrol and response to maritime security incidents within the inshore zone around New Zealand.
In addition to patrolling, an IPV’s tasks will include surveillance, response and boarding operations, and search and rescue. Secondary roles for the IPVs will be in New Zealand disaster relief and defence aid to the civil community.
The IPVs will have a complement of 20 naval personnel and four Government agency officers. They also have the capacity to host 12 additional personnel onboard for general naval training or other duties.
Additional Information
Compared with the Inshore Patrol Craft (1990s) and the Lake Class Patrol Boats (mid-70s to late 80s) the IPVs are like comparing a Ferrari with a Toyota Hilux. The IPVs are much faster (over the double the speed of the IPC) and highly manoeuvrable. With active fin stabilisers, they provide a comfortable ride, they are far more sophisticated (modern off the shelf equipment and automated systems including unmanned machinery spaces) and significantly more capable (long range, modern communications and surveillance systems) and they look smart!
The introduction of the IPVs will be an exciting time for the Royal New Zealand Navy. There would be many senior officers watching the young Commanding Officers with envy as the IPVs are significantly better than their predecessors.
The Navy has never had anything as capable and sophisticated as these ships which are specifically designed to undertake a range of tasks for several Government agencies including Customs, Ministry of Fisheries, DoC, Police, MFAT, NZDF and Maritime New Zealand.
Their introduction will enhance Navy's recruitment and retention as these ships frequent ports around the NZ coast.
Specification
Displacement 340 Tonnes
Length 55m
Beam 9.0 m
Draught 2.9 m
Speed 25 kts
Range 3000 nm @ 12 kts
2000 nm @ 16 kts
Main Engines 2x 2500 Kw
Stabilised Yes
Armament 3x.50 MG
Core Complement 20
Multi Agency Complement 4
Training Complement 12
Kennels 2
Boat Capacity 2 x 7.3 m Zodiac RHIB
Deployable by 2 x Powered Davits
Radars X band
Electro Optics Surveillance Yes
HF Radio 2
SATCOM Yes
will be interesting to see if we finally get them on time, Im looking forward to having a look around on them! Im doing my conversion course for the IPV's in a few weeks so hopefully will get to serve aboard one soon!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4HiClWmils"]YouTube - EX WOLF III[/ame]
good pic clip of CY in action!!
CY is current in IMAV so she will have a few more short comings rectified at the end of the maintenance period. Though after serving aboard her for 18 months, I must say that she is a capable ship regardless of what the media says!. Its amazing how much they get wrong.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4HiClWmils"]YouTube - EX WOLF III[/ame]
good pic clip of CY in action!!
CY is current in IMAV so she will have a few more short comings rectified at the end of the maintenance period. Though after serving aboard her for 18 months, I must say that she is a capable ship regardless of what the media says!. Its amazing how much they get wrong.
From the video slide show it appears she can load a company group and their equipment and discharge them over a suitable beach easily. Exactly what the New Zealand Defence Force required, to be able to sea lift a company of their troops abroad without a pier if necessary. And Canterbury can do so without much of a fuss either. Before her, the New Zealand Defence Force lacked this capability.
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recce.k1
Well-Known Member
Where's/What's "Philly" Matty? Good news nonetheless!
For us civvies the NZ Herald reports the Rotoiti is on one week of acceptance trials (which is what Matty has told us!) and Radio NZ had an interesting report yesterday, apparently another two more IPV's may be ordered. I understand all 4 IPV's are being based in Devonport so would the additional two be based in the South Island or would an additional two join the Auckland fleet to allow more frequent patrols etc. Also can the IPV stop within 3.5 boatlength's at full speed (or at a slower crusing speed etc)? Anyway here's the article in case it disappears from their website.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/04/17/1245aa2c18c8
For us civvies the NZ Herald reports the Rotoiti is on one week of acceptance trials (which is what Matty has told us!) and Radio NZ had an interesting report yesterday, apparently another two more IPV's may be ordered. I understand all 4 IPV's are being based in Devonport so would the additional two be based in the South Island or would an additional two join the Auckland fleet to allow more frequent patrols etc. Also can the IPV stop within 3.5 boatlength's at full speed (or at a slower crusing speed etc)? Anyway here's the article in case it disappears from their website.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/04/17/1245aa2c18c8
