Damen and Luerssen have certainly hit a purple patch as far as global ship building is concerned.
I recall some years ago that Blohm + Voss were the flavour of the moment.
What has happened to this shipbuilding powerhouse?
Lean times it seems.
MB
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I recall some years ago that Blohm + Voss were the flavour of the moment.
What has happened to this shipbuilding powerhouse?
Lean times it seems.
MB
stonewall71
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Thanks, I knew that one, it's from 2018
I was looking for any recent pic , specially from last 3 months, I keep a regular search on google and shipspotting
Thx anyway
walter
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Germany’s $6.7 billion frigate deal with Dutch shipbuilder Damen may be the last of its kind
Germany’s $6.7 billion frigate deal with Dutch shipbuilder Damen may be the last of its kind
with a rendering of the ship
Germany’s $6.7 billion frigate deal with Dutch shipbuilder Damen may be the last of its kind
with a rendering of the ship
walter
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Some more news on the upcomming CSS(and latest rendering)
DSNS will supervise the construction of the new Combat Support Ship
DSNS will supervise the construction of the new Combat Support Ship
Sandhi Yudha
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And indeed...."ex-militair", they already kicked him out of the navy.
Vier jaar cel voor ex-militair na mislukte drugssmokkel op marineschip
De 23-jarige man werd op Curaçao aangehouden toen hij met 11 kilo cocaïne in zijn rugzak aan boord van het schip probeerde te komen.
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4 years for 11 kilos of coke????? Suppose he'll be out in 2 years. That's a slap on the hand with a wet paper bus ticket. Where's the deterrent factor in that?And indeed...."ex-militair", they already kicked him out of the navy.
Just 4 years for 11 kilogram of harddrugs is typical Dutch, a very light sentence for such an amount, in many countries it will be 20+ years or even death-penalty.Vier jaar cel voor ex-militair na mislukte drugssmokkel op marineschip
De 23-jarige man werd op Curaçao aangehouden toen hij met 11 kilo cocaïne in zijn rugzak aan boord van het schip probeerde te komen.
John Fedup
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More like incentive to repeat the offence in the hope of not getting caught next time around.
walter
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sorry will make it a bit more readeble
38SWZ MARITIME • MARCH 2020
With the Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored.
This ship will replace the HNLMS Amsterdam that de-commissioned due to budget cuts in 2014. The other supply vessel, the HNLMS Karel Doorman, entered the fleet in 2015 replacing the HNLMS Zuiderkruis. The Den Helder will be delivered in June 2024 and is to be fully operational a year later.
The ship will have a length over all of 178.3 metres, beam of 26.4 metres and the design draft is 8.3 metres. The displacement is 22,595 tonnes. It is somewhat smaller than the Karel Doorman (204.7 x 30.4 x 8.0 metres) with a displacement of 27.800 tonnes. This Joint Support Ship (JSS) has larger loading capacities and more facilities.
The permanent crew of the Combat Support Ship (CSS) consists of 75 pax. In addition, facilities are available for another 85 pax for performing extra mission related assignments.
On the 19th of February, the Director of the Defence Materiel Organization Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group Arnout Damen signed the contract for the new Combat Support Ship HNLMS Den Helder. The contract includes engineering and production. The event took place on the bridge of the HNLMS Karel Doorman, the so-called Joint Support Ship, the other supply vessel that served as the basis for the new design.
IMPROVED EFFICIENCY FOR NEW COMBAT SUPPORT SHIP
Seven per cent efficiency gain
The ship will be equipped with Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (Tier) to deliver 15.8 megawatts installed power. Electric propulsion motors and two fixed pitch propellers allow for a maximum speed of 19 knots.
Extensive model tests at Marin resulted in a seven per cent gain in propulsion efficiency with regards to the JSS. Marin took the opportunity to celebrate the fact that the measurements were carried out with the 10,000th model since the institute was founded with a beautiful light show for a lot of guests.
Equipment
The ship is equipped with two Replenishment at Sea (RAS) stations on both sides, constructed according to a NATO standard (STANAG) to provide NATO ships with fuel at sea, while both ships continue to sail and manoeuvre. The ship can supply 7600 m3 of diesel fuel (F 76) and 1000 m3 of aviation fuel (F44) and besides that 226 m3 of fresh water and 290 m3 of urea for application in a selective catalytic re-duction (SCR) catalysator.
The ship is also able to supply solids at sea: ammunition (storage capacity 434 tonnes) and other goods such as provisions and spares. The ship can also carry 24 containers on deck and one below deck. The ship will be equipped with two 40-tonne cranes.
Two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP, 24 tonnes) will be placed in niches; one on starboard and one port side. The same applies to the two Fast Raiding Interception and Special Forces Craft (FRISC, 10 tonnes). The ship will have two lifeboats.
The ship also offers facilities for helicopter operations. The hangar is designed for operations with two NH 90 helicopters or a Merlin or NH90 in com-bination with two Unmanned Air Vehicles.
The ship is equipped with a hospital (Role-2 basic afloat), which is less in size than onboard the JSS.
Survivability
During the design of the CSS, specific attention was paid to enhance the ship’s survivability. That is, the ability of the ship and its systems to remain functional during a mission in a hostile environment. It is composed of a combination of the ship's susceptibility, vulnerability and recoverability.
For the platform, this means that the signatures, underwater noise, radar cross section and in-frared (IR) radiation are reduced as much as possible. With regard to vulnerability: shock requirements will be applied, which will result in harness bulkheads and other protection and – quite important – a well-designed general arrangement of the ship.
The enhancement of recoverability is achieved for instance by damage control and firefighting and where effective, further automation.
Internal communication is important and therefore a wireless system will be installed, whereby everyone is equipped with a mobile device, which also serves alarm handling. The ship will receive a most up-to-date cyber security system.
Focus on maintenance
Preparation of the ship’s maintenance is very important for proper transfer to the fleet and, therefore, more attention is paid to producing extensive technical documentation, purchasing the correct spare parts and education and training.
The CSS Den Helder will be built entirely at Damen’s shipyard in Galati, Romania, including setting to work and the execution of sea trials. Construction will be in accordance with DNV-GL class rules and the Naval Ship Code, the naval equivalent to SOLAS
38SWZ MARITIME • MARCH 2020
With the Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored.
This ship will replace the HNLMS Amsterdam that de-commissioned due to budget cuts in 2014. The other supply vessel, the HNLMS Karel Doorman, entered the fleet in 2015 replacing the HNLMS Zuiderkruis. The Den Helder will be delivered in June 2024 and is to be fully operational a year later.
The ship will have a length over all of 178.3 metres, beam of 26.4 metres and the design draft is 8.3 metres. The displacement is 22,595 tonnes. It is somewhat smaller than the Karel Doorman (204.7 x 30.4 x 8.0 metres) with a displacement of 27.800 tonnes. This Joint Support Ship (JSS) has larger loading capacities and more facilities.
The permanent crew of the Combat Support Ship (CSS) consists of 75 pax. In addition, facilities are available for another 85 pax for performing extra mission related assignments.
On the 19th of February, the Director of the Defence Materiel Organization Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group Arnout Damen signed the contract for the new Combat Support Ship HNLMS Den Helder. The contract includes engineering and production. The event took place on the bridge of the HNLMS Karel Doorman, the so-called Joint Support Ship, the other supply vessel that served as the basis for the new design.
IMPROVED EFFICIENCY FOR NEW COMBAT SUPPORT SHIP
Seven per cent efficiency gain
The ship will be equipped with Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (Tier) to deliver 15.8 megawatts installed power. Electric propulsion motors and two fixed pitch propellers allow for a maximum speed of 19 knots.
Extensive model tests at Marin resulted in a seven per cent gain in propulsion efficiency with regards to the JSS. Marin took the opportunity to celebrate the fact that the measurements were carried out with the 10,000th model since the institute was founded with a beautiful light show for a lot of guests.
Equipment
The ship is equipped with two Replenishment at Sea (RAS) stations on both sides, constructed according to a NATO standard (STANAG) to provide NATO ships with fuel at sea, while both ships continue to sail and manoeuvre. The ship can supply 7600 m3 of diesel fuel (F 76) and 1000 m3 of aviation fuel (F44) and besides that 226 m3 of fresh water and 290 m3 of urea for application in a selective catalytic re-duction (SCR) catalysator.
The ship is also able to supply solids at sea: ammunition (storage capacity 434 tonnes) and other goods such as provisions and spares. The ship can also carry 24 containers on deck and one below deck. The ship will be equipped with two 40-tonne cranes.
Two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP, 24 tonnes) will be placed in niches; one on starboard and one port side. The same applies to the two Fast Raiding Interception and Special Forces Craft (FRISC, 10 tonnes). The ship will have two lifeboats.
The ship also offers facilities for helicopter operations. The hangar is designed for operations with two NH 90 helicopters or a Merlin or NH90 in com-bination with two Unmanned Air Vehicles.
The ship is equipped with a hospital (Role-2 basic afloat), which is less in size than onboard the JSS.
Survivability
During the design of the CSS, specific attention was paid to enhance the ship’s survivability. That is, the ability of the ship and its systems to remain functional during a mission in a hostile environment. It is composed of a combination of the ship's susceptibility, vulnerability and recoverability.
For the platform, this means that the signatures, underwater noise, radar cross section and in-frared (IR) radiation are reduced as much as possible. With regard to vulnerability: shock requirements will be applied, which will result in harness bulkheads and other protection and – quite important – a well-designed general arrangement of the ship.
The enhancement of recoverability is achieved for instance by damage control and firefighting and where effective, further automation.
Internal communication is important and therefore a wireless system will be installed, whereby everyone is equipped with a mobile device, which also serves alarm handling. The ship will receive a most up-to-date cyber security system.
Focus on maintenance
Preparation of the ship’s maintenance is very important for proper transfer to the fleet and, therefore, more attention is paid to producing extensive technical documentation, purchasing the correct spare parts and education and training.
The CSS Den Helder will be built entirely at Damen’s shipyard in Galati, Romania, including setting to work and the execution of sea trials. Construction will be in accordance with DNV-GL class rules and the Naval Ship Code, the naval equivalent to SOLAS
You have not exactly put much effort into this. It is simply a cut and paste of an article. While it may be of interest you should add some input. Finally you did not need to re-posts after the initial data dump. You have the option to edit your posts and that would have been a better option.sorry will make it a bit more readeble
38SWZ MARITIME • MARCH 2020
With the Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored.
This ship will replace the HNLMS Amsterdam that de-commissioned due to budget cuts in 2014. The other supply vessel, the HNLMS Karel Doorman, entered the fleet in 2015 replacing the HNLMS Zuiderkruis. The Den Helder will be delivered in June 2024 and is to be fully operational a year later.
The ship will have a length over all of 178.3 metres, beam of 26.4 metres and the design draft is 8.3 metres. The displacement is 22,595 tonnes. It is somewhat smaller than the Karel Doorman (204.7 x 30.4 x 8.0 metres) with a displacement of 27.800 tonnes. This Joint Support Ship (JSS) has larger loading capacities and more facilities.
The permanent crew of the Combat Support Ship (CSS) consists of 75 pax. In addition, facilities are available for another 85 pax for performing extra mission related assignments.
On the 19th of February, the Director of the Defence Materiel Organization Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group Arnout Damen signed the contract for the new Combat Support Ship HNLMS Den Helder. The contract includes engineering and production. The event took place on the bridge of the HNLMS Karel Doorman, the so-called Joint Support Ship, the other supply vessel that served as the basis for the new design.
IMPROVED EFFICIENCY FOR NEW COMBAT SUPPORT SHIP
Seven per cent efficiency gain
The ship will be equipped with Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (Tier) to deliver 15.8 megawatts installed power. Electric propulsion motors and two fixed pitch propellers allow for a maximum speed of 19 knots.
Extensive model tests at Marin resulted in a seven per cent gain in propulsion efficiency with regards to the JSS. Marin took the opportunity to celebrate the fact that the measurements were carried out with the 10,000th model since the institute was founded with a beautiful light show for a lot of guests.
Equipment
The ship is equipped with two Replenishment at Sea (RAS) stations on both sides, constructed according to a NATO standard (STANAG) to provide NATO ships with fuel at sea, while both ships continue to sail and manoeuvre. The ship can supply 7600 m3 of diesel fuel (F 76) and 1000 m3 of aviation fuel (F44) and besides that 226 m3 of fresh water and 290 m3 of urea for application in a selective catalytic re-duction (SCR) catalysator.
The ship is also able to supply solids at sea: ammunition (storage capacity 434 tonnes) and other goods such as provisions and spares. The ship can also carry 24 containers on deck and one below deck. The ship will be equipped with two 40-tonne cranes.
Two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP, 24 tonnes) will be placed in niches; one on starboard and one port side. The same applies to the two Fast Raiding Interception and Special Forces Craft (FRISC, 10 tonnes). The ship will have two lifeboats.
The ship also offers facilities for helicopter operations. The hangar is designed for operations with two NH 90 helicopters or a Merlin or NH90 in com-bination with two Unmanned Air Vehicles.
The ship is equipped with a hospital (Role-2 basic afloat), which is less in size than onboard the JSS.
Survivability
During the design of the CSS, specific attention was paid to enhance the ship’s survivability. That is, the ability of the ship and its systems to remain functional during a mission in a hostile environment. It is composed of a combination of the ship's susceptibility, vulnerability and recoverability.
For the platform, this means that the signatures, underwater noise, radar cross section and in-frared (IR) radiation are reduced as much as possible. With regard to vulnerability: shock requirements will be applied, which will result in harness bulkheads and other protection and – quite important – a well-designed general arrangement of the ship.
The enhancement of recoverability is achieved for instance by damage control and firefighting and where effective, further automation.
Internal communication is important and therefore a wireless system will be installed, whereby everyone is equipped with a mobile device, which also serves alarm handling. The ship will receive a most up-to-date cyber security system.
Focus on maintenance
Preparation of the ship’s maintenance is very important for proper transfer to the fleet and, therefore, more attention is paid to producing extensive technical documentation, purchasing the correct spare parts and education and training.
The CSS Den Helder will be built entirely at Damen’s shipyard in Galati, Romania, including setting to work and the execution of sea trials. Construction will be in accordance with DNV-GL class rules and the Naval Ship Code, the naval equivalent to SOLAS
Sandhi Yudha
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It seems that the LCF-fregatten will get a new and improved Oto-Melara 127 mm gun, to make them future proof for handling new ammunition.
www.navalnews.com
Leonardo to Supply New 127mm Main Guns for Netherlands Navy's LCF Frigates - Naval News
The Dutch Defence Material Organisation (DMO) announced that it has selected Italian company Leonardo to supply new 127mm naval gun systems for the Royal Netherlands Navy's four De Zeven Provinciën-class LCF frigates.
www.navalnews.com
walter
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yep four 127/64 LW Vulcano's,nice upgrade(the Frigates are currently in an upgrade phase)It seems that the LCF-fregatten will get a new and improved Oto-Melara 127 mm gun, to make them future proof for handling new ammunition.
Leonardo to Supply New 127mm Main Guns for Netherlands Navy's LCF Frigates - Naval News
The Dutch Defence Material Organisation (DMO) announced that it has selected Italian company Leonardo to supply new 127mm naval gun systems for the Royal Netherlands Navy's four De Zeven Provinciën-class LCF frigates.
Redlands18
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Seems a big step though for ships that will be 20-25yo at the time of refit, especially for a navy that normally replaces their ships at the 20-25 year mark.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The Netherlands must have hired a Canadian consultant who has convinced the pollies there that naval ships last 40-50 years. No doubt he served on ships that old.
That's practically an invitation for him to revise his business plan and improve his methods. Four years ?
Yeesh
Ananda
The Bunker Group
If we see Dutch practise historically, it's not uncommon for Dutch Navy to recycle their gun from previous class to new class. Example was Tromp AAW and Command class Frigates (predecessor of DZP), which used main guns from previous Destroyers.
So even they buy this new Vulcano 5 inch gun, doesn't mean they will keep DZP say 30-40 years.
Damen already prepared new designs evolved from DZP based Hull. An Example is Omega class Frigates that they begin to offer for export. Those design can evolve to DZP replacement with this new Vulcano being recycle to the new Frigates.
In fact if we see the model of Omega that Damen presented on previous Indodefence, it's already shown gun similar to this Leonardo new 127 mm. This is the same dimensions Frigate with DZP, thus who knows Damen already prepared DZP replacement based on this and prepared them for 2030+. Those new gun can be recycle to DZP replacement.
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Sandhi Yudha
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I wonder if this new design is based on the Omega class, it looks completely different.
The M-Klasse replacement will get more delays, luckily the Karel Doorman Klasse ships are capable frigates.
www.navalnews.com
The M-Klasse replacement will get more delays, luckily the Karel Doorman Klasse ships are capable frigates.
Construction of Dutch & Belgian Future Frigates Could be Further Delayed - Naval News
The construction of the Future Surface Combatant for the navies of the Netherlands (Koninklijke Marine) and Belgium (Belgian Naval Component) could face a further delay according to local media. The two parties don't seem to agree on some of the specifications of the so-called M-Frigate replacement.
www.navalnews.com
Sandhi Yudha
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It seems to be an unrelated design...I wonder if this new design is based on the Omega class, it looks completely different.
The M-Klasse replacement will get more delays, luckily the Karel Doorman Klasse ships are capable frigates.
Construction of Dutch & Belgian Future Frigates Could be Further Delayed - Naval News
The construction of the Future Surface Combatant for the navies of the Netherlands (Koninklijke Marine) and Belgium (Belgian Naval Component) could face a further delay according to local media. The two parties don't seem to agree on some of the specifications of the so-called M-Frigate replacement.
Looking to Vervanger Nederlandse en Belgische M-fregatten there were several designs (some are more like de Hollandklasse OPV, others more like the British Type 26 GCS) and slightly smaller and lighter than the Omega Class.